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Re: East side raffle elk, where's the pic!
« Reply #50 on: September 23, 2013, 11:06:10 AM »
Folks don't like the truth jack... I like how phool can passive aggressively talk smack to a kid a about a damn nice buck, and nothing gets said.. What scoring system did you use ? Give me a break..

How about you give me a break. Read your posts. Nothing but giving people crap about everything you can think of. Virtually every single one of your posts is crap talk. And you wonder why people don't post.
 Probably a combination of your theory and mine.
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Re: East side raffle elk, where's the pic!
« Reply #51 on: September 23, 2013, 11:13:50 AM »
I appreciate the Oregon wheat farmer that had the gov tag 4 years ago and killed a legit 420" bull that very few folks know about!! He loved the hunt not interested in being the big shot.

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Re: East side raffle elk, where's the pic!
« Reply #52 on: September 23, 2013, 11:18:41 AM »
No matter what the score, definitely a shooter!
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Re: East side raffle elk, where's the pic!
« Reply #53 on: September 23, 2013, 11:22:28 AM »
No matter what the score, definitely a shooter!

 :yeah: For sure!! Great bull!
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Re: East side raffle elk, where's the pic!
« Reply #54 on: September 23, 2013, 11:27:26 AM »
So he is killing those bulls DIY? Good one !! He's paying a finders fee for the biggest bull. I've seen the bucks he's killed in Montana before he had big $$$$. Well, it's what you'd expect from a drunk that was hung over on his hunt. So yes, if you don't think he's buying those bulls, you're a "phool".. Pun intended

Seriously? Its a beautiful bull no matter the score and you have to come on here like YOU are THE B&C scorer? Those of us that continue to post on here, are tired of seeing and reading your degrading posts! Do you have nothing better to do? I hope to god that you are not this sour in real life!

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Re: East side raffle elk, where's the pic!
« Reply #55 on: September 23, 2013, 11:33:08 AM »
No matter what the score, definitely a shooter!

 :yeah: For sure!! Great bull!

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Re: East side raffle elk, where's the pic!
« Reply #56 on: September 23, 2013, 11:33:42 AM »
I'm not, just tired of folks don't hate and talk about stuff they know nothing about... That bull is a dandy isn't it?

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Re: East side raffle elk, where's the pic!
« Reply #57 on: September 23, 2013, 11:52:12 AM »
I personally don't like the idea of "bought bulls"... $50,000 Tag, $5,000 Land, $10,000 guides. However if I had the dough I would be buying tags and raffle tickets like it's going outta style. I'd try and do it on my own, with friends but I imagine the temptation of someone saying "For 12% more than you've already spend I'll get you on private land with __ bulls over ___ inches..." That would be tempting I'm sure.
not hatin, just sayin. I think I sent this guy trailcamera pics of the one he killed in 2011...

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Re: East side raffle elk, where's the pic!
« Reply #58 on: September 23, 2013, 12:26:25 PM »
I would do the exact same thing if I had the $$...but at the same time I really don't like these premium tags going to the guys with the deepest pockets. 

So if the money generated from these raffles goes to support habitat etc...maybe instead of wdfw raising money from raffles to pay people to do some of this work they should develop a system where each "volunteer hour" gets you a raffle ticket of your choice...accomplishes the same goal (habitat improvement etc.) right?  I've given 2 seconds of thought to this and I know there are many potential issues but in principle I would prefer such a method of allocating premium tags.
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Re: East side raffle elk, where's the pic!
« Reply #59 on: September 23, 2013, 12:27:01 PM »
Guess that's the good part, it was Indian land he killed it on. Lol

 :dunno:  there's no rez down that area, was it privately owned land by the a Tribe (trust or fee land)? If so I didn't know Umatillas or any area Tribe for that matter opened big game hunting to mon-membera on any Tribal land?
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Re: East side raffle elk, where's the pic!
« Reply #60 on: September 23, 2013, 12:34:10 PM »
only land down there the tribe owns is the Rainwater area. free to hunt on. about 9000acres
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Re: East side raffle elk, where's the pic!
« Reply #61 on: September 23, 2013, 12:55:20 PM »
Thanks bigbulls for the clarification, so its a Tribal (rainwater) bull? :dunno: :chuckle:
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Re: East side raffle elk, where's the pic!
« Reply #62 on: September 23, 2013, 01:02:09 PM »
atleast shrek has taken some of the heat of RT...  :chuckle:
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Re: East side raffle elk, where's the pic!
« Reply #63 on: September 23, 2013, 01:12:18 PM »
atleast shrek has taken some of the heat of RT...  :chuckle:

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Re: East side raffle elk, where's the pic!
« Reply #64 on: September 23, 2013, 01:16:33 PM »
Who cares about score, where it was shot, who shot it! Its a true trophy! Bought and paid for maybe, let me have millions! I will sure as hell kill monsters!  And I know Three guys that would be joining me..

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Re: East side raffle elk, where's the pic!
« Reply #65 on: September 23, 2013, 01:25:20 PM »
 What is the difference between him paying tens of thousands to hunt and the rest of us paying a couple thousand?

 Why is it frowned upon to hire a guide/outfitter that says I will find you a fair chase "400" bull for X amount, but yet its okay for us to hire Dale hoping to get the best bull "Bearpaw Outfitters" knows about? To me its the exact same, just at a higher level.

 We all go to the shows each year and see the hoards of outfitters pitching their hunts, with pics of past success, and dream. If we are there to hire someone for a upcoming hunt,  we shop each one, getting their pitch and weighing each one according to their spiel and price. Do you book your hunt with the guy offering 250" bulls for $2500 or the guy offering 350" bulls for $5000? For a lot of guys it depends on their pocket book.

 How many of us really are DIY? I would argue that very few actually go out there by themselves, most will have someone with them, even if its for camaraderie, but technically not "DIY"

 Lets face it, even Ridgerunners would not have tagged his ram this year had it not been because he payed for a guide/outfitter that already knew where to look for them. Does that make his hunt any less meaningfull?.............NO! :twocents:

 I should also mention I simply used Dale/Bearpaw for example because we all know who he is. I mentioned Ridgerunner similarly.
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Re: East side raffle elk, where's the pic!
« Reply #66 on: September 23, 2013, 01:30:46 PM »
What is the difference between him paying tens of thousands to hunt and the rest of us paying a couple thousand?

 Why is it frowned upon to hire a guide/outfitter that says I will find you a fair chase "400" bull for X amount, but yet its okay for us to hire Dale hoping to get the best bull "Bearpaw Outfitters" knows about? To me its the exact same, just at a higher level.

 We all go to the shows each year and see the hoards of outfitters pitching their hunts, with pics of past success, and dream. If we are there to hire someone for a upcoming hunt,  we shop each one, getting their pitch and weighing each one according to their spiel and price. Do you book your hunt with the guy offering 250" bulls for $2500 or the guy offering 350" bulls for $5000? For a lot of guys it depends on their pocket book.

 How many of us really are DIY? I would argue that very few actually go out there by themselves, most will have someone with them, even if its for camaraderie, but technically not "DIY"

 Lets face it, even Ridgerunners would not have tagged his ram this year had it not been because he payed for a guide/outfitter that already knew where to look for them. Does that make his hunt any less meaningfull?.............NO! :twocents:

 I should also mention I simply used Dale/Bearpaw for example because we all know who he is. I mentioned Ridgerunner similarly.

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Re: East side raffle elk, where's the pic!
« Reply #67 on: September 23, 2013, 01:37:03 PM »
What is the difference between him paying tens of thousands to hunt and the rest of us paying a couple thousand?

 Why is it frowned upon to hire a guide/outfitter that says I will find you a fair chase "400" bull for X amount, but yet its okay for us to hire Dale hoping to get the best bull "Bearpaw Outfitters" knows about? To me its the exact same, just at a higher level.

 We all go to the shows each year and see the hoards of outfitters pitching their hunts, with pics of past success, and dream. If we are there to hire someone for a upcoming hunt,  we shop each one, getting their pitch and weighing each one according to their spiel and price. Do you book your hunt with the guy offering 250" bulls for $2500 or the guy offering 350" bulls for $5000? For a lot of guys it depends on their pocket book.

 How many of us really are DIY? I would argue that very few actually go out there by themselves, most will have someone with them, even if its for camaraderie, but technically not "DIY"

 Lets face it, even Ridgerunners would not have tagged his ram this year had it not been because he payed for a guide/outfitter that already knew where to look for them. Does that make his hunt any less meaningfull?.............NO! :twocents:

 I should also mention I simply used Dale/Bearpaw for example because we all know who he is. I mentioned Ridgerunner similarly.

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Re: East side raffle elk, where's the pic!
« Reply #68 on: September 23, 2013, 01:49:25 PM »
This is highly enteratining. Thanks guys.

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Re: East side raffle elk, where's the pic!
« Reply #69 on: September 23, 2013, 01:59:24 PM »
All I wanted was to see a pic!?! Sometimes these threads get out of whack, I guess that's just the nature of the beast.

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Re: East side raffle elk, where's the pic!
« Reply #70 on: September 23, 2013, 02:46:24 PM »
What is the difference between him paying tens of thousands to hunt and the rest of us paying a couple thousand?

 Why is it frowned upon to hire a guide/outfitter that says I will find you a fair chase "400" bull for X amount, but yet its okay for us to hire Dale hoping to get the best bull "Bearpaw Outfitters" knows about? To me its the exact same, just at a higher level.

 We all go to the shows each year and see the hoards of outfitters pitching their hunts, with pics of past success, and dream. If we are there to hire someone for a upcoming hunt,  we shop each one, getting their pitch and weighing each one according to their spiel and price. Do you book your hunt with the guy offering 250" bulls for $2500 or the guy offering 350" bulls for $5000? For a lot of guys it depends on their pocket book.

 How many of us really are DIY? I would argue that very few actually go out there by themselves, most will have someone with them, even if its for camaraderie, but technically not "DIY"

 Lets face it, even Ridgerunners would not have tagged his ram this year had it not been because he payed for a guide/outfitter that already knew where to look for them. Does that make his hunt any less meaningfull?.............NO! :twocents:

 I should also mention I simply used Dale/Bearpaw for example because we all know who he is. I mentioned Ridgerunner similarly.

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Heyyyy......majority of the time I scout/hunt by myself. :chuckle:  I wish I had some money to hire an outfitter/guide it would definitely save me time and money but, wheres the fun in that?  To each their own, if we all had a little bit more money who knows what we'd use it for? 

All I wanted was to see a pic!?! Sometimes these threads get out of whack, I guess that's just the nature of the beast.

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Re: East side raffle elk, where's the pic!
« Reply #71 on: September 23, 2013, 02:51:17 PM »
What is the difference between him paying tens of thousands to hunt and the rest of us paying a couple thousand?

 
It is not the hiring of a guide or paying trespass fees that I have an issue with...it is how the state allocates very limited resources that I am concerned with (i.e., branch bull tags).  I think as many of us have stated if we had the money we would do the exact same thing...so I am not saying those who buy the governors tag or spend 20k on raffle tickets are doing anything wrong...they are playing by the rules and providing money to support habitat, research etc.  I just think the "rules" need revised so premium tags are available to all sportsmen equally (those with and without deep pockets)...I know many will disagree, this is just how I see the issue.  And again, I hold no ill-will towards those that pay for these tags...I wish I could do the same!!  Maybe instead of an auction or a raffle give these tags as incentives to landowners who allow youth hunts or disabled hunts? Or save the eastside elk raffle tag for landowners that enroll in the FFTH program...every 50 (or 100..)?? acres a landowner enrolls in FFTH gets a raffle ticket for a coveted tag...that would be a real win-win...yea it would still be wealthy folks who own lots of land having the highest chance of getting a coveted tag but it would have direct and immediate impacts on the average hunters opportunity. :dunno: :dunno:
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Re: East side raffle elk, where's the pic!
« Reply #72 on: September 23, 2013, 02:59:07 PM »
What is the difference between him paying tens of thousands to hunt and the rest of us paying a couple thousand?

 
It is not the hiring of a guide or paying trespass fees that I have an issue with...it is how the state allocates very limited resources that I am concerned with (i.e., branch bull tags).  I think as many of us have stated if we had the money we would do the exact same thing...so I am not saying those who buy the governors tag or spend 20k on raffle tickets are doing anything wrong...they are playing by the rules and providing money to support habitat, research etc.  I just think the "rules" need revised so premium tags are available to all sportsmen equally (those with and without deep pockets)...I know many will disagree, this is just how I see the issue.  And again, I hold no ill-will towards those that pay for these tags...I wish I could do the same!!  Maybe instead of an auction or a raffle give these tags as incentives to landowners who allow youth hunts or disabled hunts? Or save the eastside elk raffle tag for landowners that enroll in the FFTH program...every 50 (or 100..)?? acres a landowner enrolls in FFTH gets a raffle ticket for a coveted tag...that would be a real win-win...yea it would still be wealthy folks who own lots of land having the highest chance of getting a coveted tag but it would have direct and immediate impacts on the average hunters opportunity. :dunno: :dunno:

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Re: East side raffle elk, where's the pic!
« Reply #73 on: September 23, 2013, 03:07:03 PM »
What is the difference between him paying tens of thousands to hunt and the rest of us paying a couple thousand?

 
It is not the hiring of a guide or paying trespass fees that I have an issue with...it is how the state allocates very limited resources that I am concerned with (i.e., branch bull tags).  I think as many of us have stated if we had the money we would do the exact same thing...so I am not saying those who buy the governors tag or spend 20k on raffle tickets are doing anything wrong...they are playing by the rules and providing money to support habitat, research etc.  I just think the "rules" need revised so premium tags are available to all sportsmen equally (those with and without deep pockets)...I know many will disagree, this is just how I see the issue.  And again, I hold no ill-will towards those that pay for these tags...I wish I could do the same!!
I have been as critical and opposed to the raffle system as anyone on here, I think it should have a limit of 5 tickets maximum per Wild ID number.

That being said, I hold no ill will towards though that play the game to their advantage, but that does not mean I condone the game itself.
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Re: East side raffle elk, where's the pic!
« Reply #74 on: September 23, 2013, 03:07:40 PM »
i wanna be governor so i get an east and west tag!   :chuckle: :tup:

 



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