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Do you agree with shoot shovel and shut up, with wolves?

Yes
87 (36.4%)
No
47 (19.7%)
Just shoot and shut up!
89 (37.2%)
I would turn them in if I saw it happen !
16 (6.7%)

Total Members Voted: 239

Voting closed: June 16, 2014, 11:03:24 PM

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Offline trophyhunt

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SSS : poll
« on: January 17, 2014, 10:03:24 PM »
Now that wolves have made themselves known to our area, how do you feel about guys who shoot the wolves to protect our hunting future?  I'm NOT for poaching, but, I do not consider shooting an evasive non native species poaching.  When wild pigs started populating on the coast, the wdfw encouraged us to go kill them.  They were not native and causing problems, wolves are doing the same thing. So, I'm curious how you feel about the SSS subject?
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Re: SSS : poll
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2014, 10:29:57 PM »
 :dunno: one of the s's would preclude me saying anything about it. I am not sure what I would do. I do hate the thought of the wolves killing game that us hunters pay to manage. We can manage the deer and elk populations without the help of the wolves, thank you very much. I wonder if the pro wolf people actually go out and look at wolves or listen to them howl. I just don't get their motivation.
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Re: SSS : poll
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2014, 10:41:57 PM »
read this

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,78064.0.html



this poll is against HW policy,  I won't respond or vote in it.

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Re: SSS : poll
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2014, 10:48:40 PM »
A very similar poll was already done, and done in such a way as to not violate policy or incriminate anyone.

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,105968.msg1381854.html#msg1381854

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Re: SSS : poll
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2014, 10:51:44 PM »
:dunno: one of the s's would preclude me saying anything about it. I am not sure what I would do. I do hate the thought of the wolves killing game that us hunters pay to manage. We can manage the deer and elk populations without the help of the wolves, thank you very much. I wonder if the pro wolf people actually go out and look at wolves or listen to them howl. I just don't get their motivation.

Conservation NW and Defenders of wildlies just count their money at the end of the week, WDFW just keep spewing the same crap.

I feel sorry for the people who work for WDFW who feel the same as many of us do, and they are lumped into the same piles as those at WDFW who promote wolves. I know several who can't wait till they can retire.

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Re: SSS : poll
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2014, 10:54:48 PM »
read this

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,78064.0.html



this poll is against HW policy,  I won't respond or vote in it.
im not saying go out and break the law, just trying to see what most think about the subject?  My opinion, I could give two cents about wdfw monitoring my post or me! I'm legal and have nothing to hide, just looking for opinions. I really don't think I'm breaking any forum rules?
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Re: SSS : poll
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2014, 11:00:31 PM »
Your polling options include illegal activities, SSS is illegal.

While the polls are similar, mine was different because none of the options were an illegal choice.  You do not have to turn in a poacher nor will you ever be arrested or cited for failing to turn one in.

I hope you understand?

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Re: SSS : poll
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2014, 11:16:47 PM »
I was just asking for opinions from the group, If the mods don't want this poll up they will remove it. I understand we don't want to promote poaching, but when the day comes when you are ask to register your guns, will you be the first in line?  Just because its against the law doesn't mean it's good for our future. 
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Re: SSS : poll
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2014, 11:21:49 PM »
Looking at your poll, it seems most would not care too much about people killing wolves in wa. 250 would not turn someone in 53 would, shame on those 53 for turning their backs on our wildlife for 10 points!
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Re: SSS : poll
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2014, 11:43:19 PM »
Smossy's girl, what happened to your post?  It was spot on! You put in words what I couldn't, thanks. But I don't know where it went?
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Re: SSS : poll
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2014, 11:54:18 PM »
I don't think your being confrontational, well said.
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Re: SSS : poll
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2014, 12:09:21 AM »
Is it poaching? In some regard absolutely.
Is it illegal. Yep.
I just would not turn anyone in if it was done for livestock protection, property or being pushed by however many might be pressuring.
Shooting spree no. Sometimes things happen. I think a farmer, rancher or threatened hunter needs to do what needs doin

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Re: SSS : poll
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2014, 05:17:03 AM »
I see it as a figure of speech ....Why should people who do not believe in what is going on take their side ..it does not make anyone a poacher or does it make them guilty of doing anything wrong until they are caught doing something wrong ...I personally like extreme people who are not afraid to speak their mind .... :bow: :bow: to those who do !

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Re: SSS : poll
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2014, 05:49:31 AM »
Is there even one pro hunting group in the state promoting wolves? I do not condone the use of my dollars for wolf introduction, but if they' re going to do it they best keep them in the NP's. If we had State senators with spines this crime would not be happening. I say SS! No need to get closer. The good news is the tribes are dropping them on sight. Funny that; the pros have this romantic notion of grand spiritual harmony between indians and wolves and the tribes are the ones shootin em up.
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Re: SSS : poll
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2014, 07:47:22 AM »
Smossy's girl, what happened to your post?  It was spot on! You put in words what I couldn't, thanks. But I don't know where it went?


I didn't know if I wanted to get in a debate about it but here's what I had:

KFhunter, the rules/policy you listed actually doesn't say you can't ask about this subject.  It says the forum doesn't condone illegal activities against wolves and that "When comments are found that suggest illegal activity they are usually left on the forum so that law enforcement can monitor such activity." So technically this poll/thread I wouldn't think is against the forum rules, but it is to each participants discretion on voicing their opinion with the disclaimer that authorities might be monitoring it.

Just my observation. I think if it were a discussion on illegal activities actually committed then it would be against forum rules.

Whether it's against forum rules or not, one should consider the legal repercussions. If you submit an opinion in favor of the topic and eventually get caught poaching it could well be used against you in court depending on what the law does. The "I swear I thought it was a coyote" defense won't save you. It's sort of like being found liable for a dog bite. If your dog bites someone who chooses not to press charges and you talk about it on a forum like this you are digging yourself a hole in the event someone else gets bit since you publically admitted you knew the dog was dangerous and has a history of biting and did nothing about it.

How likely the law is to look through this stuff, I don't know. But these days anything is possible. Hunt WA may not save personal information but IP addresses and browsing history is saved by ISP's. It would not take much for a LEO building a case to get here.Hello NSA.
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