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Crossbow = my elk hunt???
« on: August 30, 2007, 02:47:04 PM »
Well it's lookin as though it's going to be super close for my shoulder to heal in time for me to draw back my bow for my Sept 8-21 Peaches Ridge Bull elk hunt... And even if I can it won't be 100% healed, that much I can guarantee...  Just wondering if it would be legal to use a crossbow instead?  I'm doubting it, but it's worth a shot!

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Re: Crossbow = my elk hunt???
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2007, 02:55:51 PM »
Also, what about one of those "Draw Lock"s?  I remember seeing them sometime ago where you can pull the bow back with your foot and arm and it has a release on it to shoot?  Any other ideas to get me back shooting again???

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Re: Crossbow = my elk hunt???
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2007, 02:57:47 PM »
Illegal as far as i know.
what about lowering the draw weight and resighting, or can you not draw at all?
the draw locks are also illegal too IMO.
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Re: Crossbow = my elk hunt???
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2007, 03:09:37 PM »
illegal in ur opinion or are just illegal? (The draw locs)

I can barely draw back a 30 lb longbow and I can only get it back maybe 22-23" when I have a 29" draw length....

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Re: Crossbow = my elk hunt???
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2007, 03:15:35 PM »
Illegal, no question about it..

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Re: Crossbow = my elk hunt???
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2007, 03:16:31 PM »
I am f@%king awesome. This is what it says about archery. sounds like you need to get a letter from your doctor stating you are currently disabled and then get a permit! the hunt shall go on!!!!!!!!

i got this out of WSFW big game regulations.

3. Archery
(a) It is illegal to hunt big game animals
with a bow that has less than 40
pounds of pull measured at 28 inches
or less draw length. It is illegal to hunt
big game animals with any arrow,
including broadhead, measuring less
than 20 inches in length, weighing
less than 6 grains per pound of draw
weight with a minimum arrow weight
of 300 grains, and having sharp
broadhead blade or blades less than
seven-eighths inches wide. It is
unlawful to hunt with a broadhead
blade unless the broadhead is
unbarbed and completely closed to
the back end of the blade or blades by
a smooth, unbroken surface starting
at maximum blade width forming a
smooth line toward the feather end of
the shaft and such line does not angle
toward the point. Retractable styled
broadheads are illegal.
(b) It is illegal to carry or have in
possession any firearm while in the
field archery hunting, during the
archery season specified for that area.
(c) It is illegal to shoot at wildlife with
an arrow from a vehicle or from,
across, or along the maintained
portion of a public highway.
(d) It is illegal to use any device
secured to or supported by the bow
for the purpose of maintaining the bow
at full draw or in a firing position,
except for hunters with disabilities
with archery special use permits in
compliance with WAC 232-12-054.
(e) It is illegal to have any electrical
equipment or device(s) attached to
the bow or arrow while hunting.
(f) It is unlawful to hunt wildlife with
a crossbow, except for hunters with
disabilities with archery special use
permits in compliance with WAC 232-
12-054.
(g) It is unlawful to hunt wildlife with
any bow or crossbow equipped with a
scope. Except hunters with
disabilities who meet the definition of
being visually impaired in WAC 232-
12-828 may receive a special use
permit that would allow the use of
scopes or other visual aids. Contact
the Department’s ADA coordinator for
further information.

And you can get the special archery permit here........ http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=232-12-054

I hope this info helps man. good luck and i hope you get a big one..........

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Re: Crossbow = my elk hunt???
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2007, 03:23:20 PM »
Thanks man you F@cking Rock!!!!

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Re: Crossbow = my elk hunt???
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2007, 03:24:51 PM »
Here is the actual WAC. Read (1) d & e

You do not meet the requirement to obtain a archery special use permit. For that you would need to have a permanent disability. Read (4) (a). Sorry but that's just the way it is. You could try calling the WDFW and see if you can turn the permit in and have your points restored. They probably won't do it but it's worth a try.

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WAC 232-12-054
Archery requirements — Archery special use permits. 
  (1) Rules pertaining to all archery:

     (a) It is unlawful for any person to carry or have in his possession any firearm while in the field archery hunting, during an archery season specified for that area.

     (b) It is unlawful to have any electrical equipment or electric device(s) attached to the bow or arrow while hunting.

     (c) It is unlawful to shoot a bow and arrow from a vehicle or from, across or along the maintained portion of a public highway, except persons with a disabled hunter permit may shoot from a vehicle if the hunter is in compliance with WAC 232-12-828.

     (d) It is unlawful to use any device secured to or supported by the bow for the purpose of maintaining the bow at full draw or in a firing position, except persons with an archery special use permit may hunt game birds or game animals using a device that stabilizes and holds a long bow, recurve bow, or compound bow at a full draw, and may use a mechanical or electrical release.

     (e) It is unlawful to hunt wildlife with a crossbow, except disabled hunter permittees in possession of a crossbow special use permit.

     (f) It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with any arrow or bolt that does not have a sharp broadhead, and the broadhead blade or blades are less than seven-eighths inch wide.

     (g) It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with a broadhead blade unless the broadhead is unbarbed and completely closed at the back end of the blade or blades by a smooth, unbroken surface starting at maximum blade width forming a smooth line toward the feather end of the shaft and such line does not angle toward the point.

     (h) It is unlawful to hunt wildlife with any bow or crossbow equipped with a scope. Except hunters with disabilities who meet the definition of being visually impaired in WAC 232-12-828 may receive a special use permit that would allow the use of scopes or other visual aids. A disabled hunter permit holder in possession of a special use permit that allows the use of a scope or visual aid may hunt game birds or game animals during archery seasons.

     (2) Rules pertaining to long bow, recurve bow and compound bow archery:

     (a) It is unlawful for any person to hunt big game animals with a bow that possesses less than 40 pounds of pull measured at twenty-eight inches or less draw length.

     (b) It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with any arrow measuring less than 20 inches in length or weighing less than 6 grains per pound of draw weight with a minimum arrow weight of 300 grains.

     (3) Rules pertaining to crossbows:

     (a) It is unlawful for a disabled hunter permit holder in possession of a crossbow special use permit to hunt big game animals with a crossbow with a draw weight less than 125 pounds, a limb width less than 24 inches, a draw length less than 14 inches, and a working trigger safety.

     (b) It is unlawful for a disabled hunter permit holder in possession of a crossbow special use permit to hunt big game animals with any arrow or bolt measuring less than 16 inches in length and weighing less than 350 grains.

     (c) It is unlawful for a disabled hunter permit holder in possession of a crossbow special use permit to hunt game animals or game birds with a crossbow that weighs more than 15 pounds.

     (4) Archery special use permits:

     (a) An archery special use permit is available to a person who possesses a valid disabled hunter permit. An archery special use permit application must be signed by a physician stating that the person's disability is permanent and the person has a loss of use of one or both upper extremities, has a significant limitation in the use of an upper extremity, or has a permanent physical limitation, which loss or limitation substantially impairs the ability to safely hold, grasp or shoot a long bow, recurve bow or compound bow. The loss or limitation may be the result of, but not limited to, amputation, paralysis, diagnosed disease, or birth defect. The approved archery special use permit must be in the physical possession of the person while using adaptive archery equipment as described in subsection (1)(d) of this section to hunt game birds or game animals.

     (b) A crossbow special use permit is available to a person who meets the requirements for an archery special use permit and is unable to use adaptive archery equipment. Adaptive equipment includes, but is not limited to: Cocking devices that hold the bow at full draw; trigger mechanisms that may be released by mouth, or chin, or hand supporting the bow; and devices that assist in supporting the bow. Information describing types of adaptive equipment will be provided to physicians for their assessment of the applicant's ability to utilize adaptive archery equipment. Muscle weakness, impaired range of motion, or unilateral hand weakness disability, of both hands or both arms or both sides of the upper extremity, may result in an inability to use adaptive archery equipment. Standard tests approved by the American Medical Association may be conducted to assess a person's abilities.
           
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Re: Crossbow = my elk hunt???
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2007, 03:35:06 PM »
By what i have read and researched you do not have to be perminantly disabled. you just have to be diagnosed disabled from a doctor. it says that the Information describing types of adaptive equipment will be provided to physicians for their assessment of the applicant's ability to utilize adaptive archery equipment. Muscle weakness, impaired range of motion, or unilateral hand weakness disability, of both hands or both arms or both sides of the upper extremity, may result in an inability to use adaptive archery equipment. Standard tests approved by the American Medical Association may be conducted to assess a person's abilities.

I am almost positive that if you get diagnosed disabled from a doctor you can take the time and fill out a request to get the permit.

This is alot of work but i am sure you can get a permit. you just have to line up your ducks in a row........................

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Re: Crossbow = my elk hunt???
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2007, 03:40:04 PM »
Yes check out 4A aswell... seems I'll be making a call to the WDFW to see if 'permanent' constitutes the hunt period... lol And I only had 1 bonus point so I'm not to worried about losing that...

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« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2007, 03:44:53 PM »
OK i found some more info this is what you have to do. youll also have to get a cross bow permit.  In order to get a crossbow permit to accompany your special use permit, - what you have to do, - is go out & buy ALL of the different types of adaptive equipment for conventional bows, - take it in with you to the doctor & demonstrate how it is used, - so that he (or she) can determine whether or not you can use the adaptive equipment. If the doctor determines that you can not use the adaptive equipment, - then you can be issued a crossbow permit to go along with your special use permit.

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Re: Crossbow = my elk hunt???
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2007, 03:46:52 PM »
where are you gonna come up with a crossbow anyway...just curious, or do you have one.
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Re: Crossbow = my elk hunt???
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2007, 03:53:03 PM »
Jay read (4) (a) above, third line, disability is permanent.

(b) A crossbow special use permit is available to a person who meets the requirements for an archery special use permit and is unable to use adaptive archery equipment.

He doesn't meet (a) therefore he doesn't qualify for (b).
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Re: Crossbow = my elk hunt???
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2007, 03:53:54 PM »
what it means is, because of this wording in the law, - once you are issued a crossbow permit, - you can not go back to conventional bow, even with adaptive equipment, - because it has already been determined that nothing but a crossbow will work for you. i believe this is what they mean by perminant.
there is alot more info on this here.
http://www.crossbowhunting.net/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=82&topic=451.msg1995
not trying to argue with anyone because you guys here ROCK 8), just trying to hook up another fellow hunter in his time of need. wouldnt do it myself. i would just switch over and go rifle hunting or something but i would rather be educated and have the option there or know my options. hope i didnt step on anyones feet........

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Re: Crossbow = my elk hunt???
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2007, 04:04:38 PM »
Coasthunter,
Thanks for all the info man but I really don't want to give up my compound career for this hunt, although it is tempting!

What I need is a special use permit to use adaptive equipment... however these are only available for people with 'permanent' disabilities...  This however may be the case because of how the hospital screwed up the setting of my collar bone and it may "permanently" affect how my shoulder works...  Talking with specialist tomorrow...

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