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Hevi-Steel
« on: August 09, 2014, 12:37:57 PM »
Has anyone tried it?  I'm thinking of buying a case and trying it out.

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Re: Hevi-Steel
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2014, 01:15:54 PM »
I have used it for turkey.  Kills em

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Re: Hevi-Steel
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2014, 03:10:05 PM »
it's just ordinary steel shot, with a higher price.  unless you get a better deal on it than federals, i'd shy away.
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Re: Hevi-Steel
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2014, 07:51:56 AM »

it's just ordinary steel shot, with a higher price.  unless you get a better deal on it than federals, i'd shy away.

No..... It's heavier then  'plain' steel and not as heavy as there line of heavy shot. I think heavy steel comes in at 9.2.

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Re: Hevi-Steel
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2014, 08:34:20 AM »
I think I saw a rebate for $100 per case. seemed to make it a much better deal. Check around on their website if you decide to buy.

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Re: Hevi-Steel
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2014, 02:45:27 PM »
I understand that it's heavier than steel. I am curious how much of a difference it makes. Rogers has cases for 160.

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Re: Hevi-Steel
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2014, 02:58:48 PM »
Isn't it rather a duplex load- standard size steel shot with a mix of heavier composition pellets being two sizes smaller stacked on top?

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Hevi-Steel
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2014, 09:25:53 PM »
I understand that it's heavier than steel. I am curious how much of a difference it makes. Rogers has cases for 160.

Id buy it at 160.

I pretty much only shoot kent, ( roughly 3 cases a year) I never change loads. I used to shoot designer stuff but the added cost isn't worth it for me, I'd rather buy gas or decoys .
« Last Edit: August 10, 2014, 10:13:58 PM by Tealer »

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Re: Hevi-Steel
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2014, 09:33:55 PM »
I shot half a case of hevi-shot last year.  It was good stuff.  If you're having problems shooting with steel than this stuff won't help.  But if you're competent with steel and you're looking for a couple less cripples a year then try this stuff.

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Re: Hevi-Steel
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2014, 09:55:32 PM »

it's just ordinary steel shot, with a higher price.  unless you get a better deal on it than federals, i'd shy away.

No..... It's heavier then  'plain' steel and not as heavy as there line of heavy shot. I think heavy steel comes in at 9.2.
Current production of Hevi Steel is just plain old steel shot with a premium price.  There have been multiple threads on Duck Hunting Chat dot Com on this.  Here's one - http://www.duckhuntingchat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=496874

New production Hevi Steel is misleading marketing hype. 

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Re: Hevi-Steel
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2014, 09:57:09 PM »
I shoot it in my 10 and 12 gauge.  It is good stuff!
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Re: Hevi-Steel
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2014, 10:07:38 PM »
Isn't it rather a duplex load- standard size steel shot with a mix of heavier composition pellets being two sizes smaller stacked on top?
No your thinking of "Hevi-Metal" which I dont care for. Plain old blue box federals kills ducks plenty far for me.

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Re: Hevi-Steel
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2014, 08:43:47 AM »
I typically shoot plain old 1 1/4 oz steel but I thought I'd try this since Rogers is selling it for basically the same price as steel.

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Re: Hevi-Steel
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2014, 02:02:21 PM »
Has anyone tried it?  I'm thinking of buying a case and trying it out.

My buddy tried it first and I made fun of him for the price he paid until I saw the results.  His birds had tears with wings busted in 2 or 3 spots and sometimes both wings where broken.  I tried some and was blown away by the again because I am not a fan of how hevi-shot worked for me.  3 inch 2's hevi-metal I was using for ducks could bring down geese over decoys no problem.   We both use a pattern master chokes.  Like anything else, won't help you shoot but just seems the birds fold with better class witch I need because no dogs are in my blind.

I tried a box spectra steel shot green color which did good but big difference with hevi-metal.  Mostly depends on how you like to hunt and if a spray and pray shooter when anything comes with in 70 yards committed or not then save yourself some money by leaving hevi-metal on the shelf.  But if your goal is to get birds close and end it on one bang with a splash or thud almost every time, then hevi-m could help because better knock down and penetration IMO.  I might do just as good with faststeels but I feel more rushed on my shots to get the vitals before the bird flares or turns.  The more pricy stuff it don't matter where a hunter puts the center punch on the bird in good range with good chances not to end up with a swimmer and shoot another time in the deeks.       
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Re: Hevi-Steel
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2014, 02:09:10 PM »
I have shot tons of different types of shells and I think the most important factor is how it patterns out of your gun. I ended up finding that I kill just as many birds, if not more, with good old Kent steel. Lucky for me its cheap.  :tup: Never had an issue with hevi-steel but found my success was the same as with kent for cheaper
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Re: Hevi-Steel
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2014, 02:10:55 PM »
AND the confusion continues- 
Hevi Metal is loaded with steel pellets and tungsten pellets-- http://www.mackspw.com/Item--i-ENV30S

Hevi Steel is plain old steel shot, No tungsten here-- http://www.rogerssportinggoods.com/ammunition/hevi-shot/hevishot-hevi-steel-12-gauge-3-1-1-4oz-1500-fps.html

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Re: Hevi-Steel
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2014, 02:12:08 PM »
Bestt part of this thread is how many different shells people are talking about....Hevi-Metal, Hevi-Steel, and Hevi-Shot...throw in speed ball and the confusion will be complete.
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Re: Hevi-Steel
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2014, 02:14:04 PM »
Let's not forget the new Hevi Lead!   :tup:

As listed in Gun Dog Magazine page 50-
"HEVI-SHOT HEVI-UPLAND Hammer flushing roosters this fall with Hevi-Shot's new lead offering. The heavy 1-1/8 ounce, 12 gauge loads hit trophy roosters hard, making the job easier for your best pointer. Available in 2-3/4 inch, No.5s with a velocity of 1,250 fps.

I wonder how many guys are going to be walking around in NoTox upland areas packing the new lead offering by Hevi-Shot. 
http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/hevishot-hevi-upland-shotshells-91205-gauge-1250-shot-rdscase-p-140216.html

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Re: Hevi-Steel
« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2014, 09:23:49 AM »
AND the confusion continues- 
Hevi Metal is loaded with steel pellets and tungsten pellets-- http://www.mackspw.com/Item--i-ENV30S

Hevi Steel is plain old steel shot, No tungsten here-- http://www.rogerssportinggoods.com/ammunition/hevi-shot/hevishot-hevi-steel-12-gauge-3-1-1-4oz-1500-fps.html

Hevi-steel use to be some mixture of metals that made pellets more dense claimed by the company which was dropped and hevi-metal was born if I remember right.  So the confusion was caused by how the question was asked and explained by you as described as current production instead of new production of hevi-steel.  Had no idea hevi-steel was back and doesn't even show on hevi-shot webpage.  I could only find it on cabela's and rogers.  Cabala's even shows as new product and how the question was asked sounded as if the product been around for awhile.  So no confusion, we just know how to read and think on how the answer the question was asked.  If anything, the confusion continues with you.   
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Re: Hevi-Steel
« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2014, 10:01:33 AM »
AND the confusion continues- 
Hevi Metal is loaded with steel pellets and tungsten pellets-- http://www.mackspw.com/Item--i-ENV30S

Hevi Steel is plain old steel shot, No tungsten here-- http://www.rogerssportinggoods.com/ammunition/hevi-shot/hevishot-hevi-steel-12-gauge-3-1-1-4oz-1500-fps.html

Hevi-steel use to be some mixture of metals that made pellets more dense claimed by the company which was dropped and hevi-metal was born if I remember right.  So the confusion was caused by how the question was asked and explained by you as described as current production instead of new production of hevi-steel.  Had no idea hevi-steel was back and doesn't even show on hevi-shot webpage.  I could only find it on cabela's and rogers.  Cabala's even shows as new product and how the question was asked sounded as if the product been around for awhile.  So no confusion, we just know how to read and think on how the answer the question was asked.  If anything, the confusion continues with you.   

That BOLD TEXT should of course read- USED to be. 

Hevi-Steel used to be a different product/composition a couple seasons ago.  That old product (Hevi STeel) had a fan base that was/is excited to see it back on the market.  While it is the same branding and name, it is not the same shot used in the new product.  Environmetal (makers of Hevi products) chose to bring it back as a normal steel load along with advertising that makes it sound like something it's not (i.e. heavier than steel). 

I'm sure it's a good steel product.  The advertising and packaging is misleading. 


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Re: Hevi-Steel
« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2014, 10:21:23 AM »
seems the birds fold with better class witch I need because no dogs are in my blind.     

A dog in the blind almost always adds some class.  :chuckle: 

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Re: Hevi-Steel
« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2014, 01:37:41 PM »
Has anyone tried it?  I'm thinking of buying a case and trying it out.
Just make sure you check each shell. I bought a box to pattern some years ago.  1/4 of the shells had very little shot in them, the crimp was very concave.
2nd shot at the butcher paper and there was only about a dozen hits, I though what the heck?  Started looking at the shells and found what I described above.
I sent a message off to the company that included photos of the shells and I never heard a word back from them.  :dunno:
Far as I am concerned, they owe me 1/2 dozen shells.  Myself, I'm done with anything from Environmetal.
Spent most of my $$ on huntin, fishin & retrievin dogs, the rest I just pretty much wasted.

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Re: Hevi-Steel
« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2014, 01:51:53 PM »
Has anyone tried it?  I'm thinking of buying a case and trying it out.
Just make sure you check each shell. I bought a box to pattern some years ago.  1/4 of the shells had very little shot in them, the crimp was very concave.
2nd shot at the butcher paper and there was only about a dozen hits, I though what the heck?  Started looking at the shells and found what I described above.
I sent a message off to the company that included photos of the shells and I never heard a word back from them.  :dunno:
Far as I am concerned, they owe me 1/2 dozen shells.  Myself, I'm done with anything from Environmetal.
I've had the same issue with Black Cloud, concave crimp and little or no shot. But they did send me a check for $24 to buy another box, got Kent Fast steel with the money. Also on the Black Cloud, a buddy had a client out for ducks and one of them long wads stuck in the barrel.  :twocents:
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Re: Hevi-Steel
« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2014, 01:54:56 PM »
Appears Federal has some seriuous quality control issues too.  If they don't get those under control fast, it could cost them millions if someone gets hurt.
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Re: Hevi-Steel
« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2014, 09:57:48 PM »
Federal is no worse then anyone else I have had many dud Kent's. A few dud Remington's. Btw federal makes a lot if the powder Remington uses.


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Re: Hevi-Steel
« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2014, 03:27:51 PM »
AND the confusion continues- 
Hevi Metal is loaded with steel pellets and tungsten pellets-- http://www.mackspw.com/Item--i-ENV30S

Hevi Steel is plain old steel shot, No tungsten here-- http://www.rogerssportinggoods.com/ammunition/hevi-shot/hevishot-hevi-steel-12-gauge-3-1-1-4oz-1500-fps.html

Hevi-steel use to be some mixture of metals that made pellets more dense claimed by the company which was dropped and hevi-metal was born if I remember right.  So the confusion was caused by how the question was asked and explained by you as described as current production instead of new production of hevi-steel.  Had no idea hevi-steel was back and doesn't even show on hevi-shot webpage.  I could only find it on cabela's and rogers.  Cabala's even shows as new product and how the question was asked sounded as if the product been around for awhile.  So no confusion, we just know how to read and think on how the answer the question was asked.  If anything, the confusion continues with you.   

That BOLD TEXT should of course read- USED to be. 

Hevi-Steel used to be a different product/composition a couple seasons ago.  That old product (Hevi STeel) had a fan base that was/is excited to see it back on the market.  While it is the same branding and name, it is not the same shot used in the new product.  Environmetal (makers of Hevi products) chose to bring it back as a normal steel load along with advertising that makes it sound like something it's not (i.e. heavier than steel). 

I'm sure it's a good steel product.  The advertising and packaging is misleading.

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