collapse

Advertisement


Author Topic: Bill in Olympia to affect shed hunting with dogs?  (Read 12842 times)

Offline jackelope

  • Administrator
  • Trade Count: (+27)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2007
  • Posts: 49015
  • Location: Duvall, WA
  • Groups: jackelope
Re: Bill in Olympia to affect shed hunting with dogs?
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2015, 07:23:24 PM »
I changed the title of the thread. Didn't feel like it accurately reflected the gist of the article. That's what I get for rushing…
:fire.:

" In today's instant gratification society, more and more pressure revolves around success and the measurement of one's prowess as a hunter by inches on a score chart or field photos produced on social media. Don't fall into the trap. Hunting is-and always will be- about the hunt, the adventure, the views, and time spent with close friends and family. " Ryan Hatfield

My posts, opinions and statements do not represent those of this forum

Offline nalley112

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Scout
  • ****
  • Join Date: Jul 2011
  • Posts: 298
  • Location: Moxee Wa.
Re: Bill in Olympia to limit shed hunting
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2015, 09:20:48 PM »
as a land owner just shoot the Damned dogs

you must not own a hunting dog or just a dog in that matter.. most dogs become a part in the family..if you were to shoot at my dog i would shoot back.
its not the dogs fault for running the deer and elk around. its the owners fault for letting them do it and not having them on a leash.
cortneynalleyphotography- instagram

Offline lokidog

  • Trade Count: (+6)
  • Explorer
  • ******
  • Join Date: Mar 2009
  • Posts: 15186
  • Location: Sultan/Wisconsin
Re: Bill in Olympia to limit shed hunting
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2015, 09:32:38 PM »
as a land owner just shoot the Damned dogs

you must not own a hunting dog or just a dog in that matter.. most dogs become a part in the family..if you were to shoot at my dog i would shoot back.
its not the dogs fault for running the deer and elk around. its the owners fault for letting them do it and not having them on a leash.

Yeah, but we, unfortunately, can't shoot loser dog owners....  I didn't read the bill, but what abot if we are out walking our dogs, in control, and find a shed?  Now I'm a wildlife law breaker?  BS!!

Offline haugenna

  • Political & Covid-19 Topics
  • Trade Count: (+5)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2008
  • Posts: 2211
Re: Bill in Olympia to affect shed hunting with dogs?
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2015, 09:38:48 PM »
Didn't even make it past the first page lol

Offline runamuk

  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Explorer
  • ******
  • Join Date: Jan 2008
  • Posts: 17878
Re: Bill in Olympia to limit shed hunting
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2015, 09:40:22 PM »
Isn't letting dogs chase elk already illegal?  And trespassing is already illegal? and harassing wildlife?
yes but since when does enforcing an existing law buy votes  :rolleyes:  it's way funner to make more laws that are even more convoluted and less likely to be enforced than the previous one and if we are super lucky it will contradict some other law thus eventually ending up in some courtroom to be debated and really only providing job security for people paid with taxes, oh that they will need to raise again because they cant afford to enforce them due to budget...wash.... rinse.... repeat

Offline lokidog

  • Trade Count: (+6)
  • Explorer
  • ******
  • Join Date: Mar 2009
  • Posts: 15186
  • Location: Sultan/Wisconsin
Re: Bill in Olympia to limit shed hunting
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2015, 09:51:14 PM »
Isn't letting dogs chase elk already illegal?  And trespassing is already illegal? and harassing wildlife?
yes but since when does enforcing an existing law buy votes  :rolleyes:  it's way funner to make more laws that are even more convoluted and less likely to be enforced than the previous one and if we are super lucky it will contradict some other law thus eventually ending up in some courtroom to be debated and really only providing job security for people paid with taxes, oh that they will need to raise again because they cant afford to enforce them due to budget...wash.... rinse.... repeat

 :yeah:

Offline nalley112

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Scout
  • ****
  • Join Date: Jul 2011
  • Posts: 298
  • Location: Moxee Wa.
Re: Bill in Olympia to affect shed hunting with dogs?
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2015, 10:05:57 PM »
maybe they should make a season on when you can start using a dog?? but then again who is going to be out and enforce it?
 or like Lokidog said what if your out for a little hike with your dogs and there lies one right in front of you and its not open? who is going to pass it up just cause they have a dog :dunno:
cortneynalleyphotography- instagram

Offline Jingles

  • WA State Trappers Association
  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2011
  • Posts: 3868
  • Location: Methow Valley 98862
Re: Bill in Olympia to limit shed hunting
« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2015, 10:08:01 PM »
as a land owner just shoot the Damned dogs

you must not own a hunting dog or just a dog in that matter.. most dogs become a part in the family..if you were to shoot at my dog i would shoot back.
its not the dogs fault for running the deer and elk around. its the owners fault for letting them do it and not having them on a leash.

Yes I have had hunting dogs and I currently have a dog and I did not let them chase deer it is the owners fault they chase deer/ elk  if the owner doesn't take the time or have the intelligence to train his dogs. And it your dogs are chasing deer on my private property as was described your dogs are gonna get shot at and if you shoot at me get ready for a gunfight
HMC/USN/RET
1969 -1990
The comments of this poster do not reflect the opinions of HUNTWA Administrators or Moderators unless they so state.

The duty of a Patriot is to protect his country from it's government

Offline nalley112

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Scout
  • ****
  • Join Date: Jul 2011
  • Posts: 298
  • Location: Moxee Wa.
Re: Bill in Olympia to affect shed hunting with dogs?
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2015, 10:13:56 PM »
still not the dogs fault.. shoot at the owner and i would hope he would then figure it out..doesnt matter if its private or not..
cortneynalleyphotography- instagram

Offline bigtex

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Explorer
  • ******
  • Join Date: Dec 2009
  • Posts: 10277
Re: Bill in Olympia to affect shed hunting with dogs?
« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2015, 10:22:59 PM »
I am sorry this is a HORRIBLE article.

The bill has NOTHING to do with using dogs to find sheds. All the bill does is make it a fish and wildlife offense to be on someone's land without their permission and look for sheds.

Offline lokidog

  • Trade Count: (+6)
  • Explorer
  • ******
  • Join Date: Mar 2009
  • Posts: 15186
  • Location: Sultan/Wisconsin
Re: Bill in Olympia to affect shed hunting with dogs?
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2015, 10:28:20 PM »
Guess that got twisted in translation.  That bill is still stupid though since there are already trespass laws, so it boils down to the same thing, NO NEW LAWS THAT HAVE NO REAL PURPOSE!!!!

Offline PolarBear

  • Site Sponsor
  • Trade Count: (+4)
  • Explorer
  • ******
  • Join Date: Mar 2007
  • Posts: 10468
  • Location: Tatooine
Re: Bill in Olympia to limit shed hunting
« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2015, 01:59:34 AM »
as a land owner just shoot the Damned dogs
:yeah:

Offline Chesapeake

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Nov 2007
  • Posts: 1002
  • Location: Washougal
Re: Bill in Olympia to affect shed hunting with dogs?
« Reply #27 on: March 20, 2015, 01:22:28 PM »
It seems to me it would be more prevalent to have shed hunters purposefully sending their dogs onto private lands to fetch sheds, than to have them sending their dogs to run the animals. The article doesn't seem to mention this at all. But the bill uses the word "retrieve" a lot. Maybe they are expecting that wording to cover sending your dog to do the "trespassing" and "retrieving" of wildlife parts. I'm sure there is some legal reason they didn't mention "Dog" in there.



 




Offline Huntmossberg8

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Tracker
  • **
  • Join Date: Jan 2008
  • Posts: 47
  • Location: East Wa
Re: Bill in Olympia to affect shed hunting with dogs?
« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2015, 02:06:26 AM »
RCW that covers any act of using dogs to harass big game, not to even mention the trespass issue (Criminal Trespass 2nd). If dogs are being trained/used to locate already shed antlers, I fully support that.

RCW 77.15.240
Unlawful use of dogs — Penalty — Authority to take or destroy a dog — Certain hazing activities permitted.
   

(1)(a) A person is guilty of unlawful use of dogs if the person:

     (i) Negligently fails to prevent a dog under the person's control from pursuing, harassing, attacking, or killing deer, elk, moose, caribou, mountain sheep, or animals classified as endangered under this title; or

     (ii) Uses the dog to hunt deer or elk.

     (b) For the purposes of this subsection, a dog is "under a person's control" if the dog is owned or possessed by, or in the custody of, a person.

     (2) Unlawful use of dogs is a misdemeanor.

     (3)(a) Based on a reasonable belief that a dog is pursuing, harassing, attacking, or killing a deer, elk, moose, caribou, mountain sheep, or animals classified as protected or endangered under this title, fish and wildlife officers and ex officio fish and wildlife officers may:

     (i) Lawfully take a dog into custody; or

     (ii) If necessary to avoid repeated harassment, injury, or death of wildlife under this section, destroy the dog.

     (b) Fish and wildlife officers and ex officio fish and wildlife officers who destroy a dog pursuant to this section are immune from civil or criminal liability arising from their actions.

     (4)(a) This section does not apply to a person using a dog to conduct a department-approved and controlled hazing activity, as long as the person prevents or minimizes physical contact between the dog and the wildlife, and the hazing is being done only for the purposes of wildlife control and the prevention of damage to commercial crops.

     (b) For the purposes of this subsection, "hazing" means the act of chasing or herding wildlife in an effort to move them from one location to another.

Offline Maverick

  • Washington For Wildlife
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Nov 2010
  • Posts: 2261
  • Location: Tri Cities
Re: Bill in Olympia to affect shed hunting with dogs?
« Reply #29 on: March 27, 2015, 09:38:27 AM »
You shouldn't. Lose your hunting rights for two years for shed hunting. It doesn't require a hunting license. My issue with this is because not all shed hunters hunt. In fact I know quite a few that don't hunt at all but love to hike for shed antlers.

 


* Advertisement

* Recent Topics

Walked a cougar down by Rainier10
[Today at 11:17:49 AM]


Springer Fishing Opportunity 3/29 & 3/30 by xXLojackXx
[Today at 10:13:39 AM]


Bearpaw Season - Spring 2024 by Machias
[Today at 09:19:44 AM]


SB 5444 signed by Inslee on 03/26 Takes Effect on 06/06/24 by hughjorgan
[Today at 09:03:26 AM]


Springer 2024 Columbia River by WSU
[Today at 08:31:10 AM]


Average by lhrbull
[Today at 07:31:56 AM]


Let’s see your best Washington buck by Pathfinder101
[Today at 07:22:11 AM]


CVA optima V2 LR tapped hole for front sight by Remdawg
[Today at 07:09:22 AM]


Which 12” boat trailer tires? by timberhunter
[Yesterday at 08:22:18 PM]


Lowest power 22 round? by JakeLand
[Yesterday at 08:06:13 PM]


1x scopes vs open sights by JakeLand
[Yesterday at 07:29:35 PM]

SimplePortal 2.3.7 © 2008-2024, SimplePortal