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Upper Entiat Valley - Closed
« on: May 17, 2015, 01:55:33 PM »
The Entiat River Road (FS 5100) 7 miles down valley from Cottonwood and around 40, square miles is closed to even pedestrian traffic.  That area is roughly double the size of the burn.  Most of the fire was low intensity; only 15% burned hot.   Unless Ranger Flanagan changed her decision, nearly all of the Slide Ridge (GMU 246) on the Entiat Side is closed.
That part of the Clark unit (GMU 244) has no access because the road and the first 5 miles up valley from the burn is closed to even foot traffic. The High Hunt is "toast" in the Entiat Valley.   Here is a map of the closured area:
http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprd3819267.pdf

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Re: Upper Entiat Valley - Closed
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2015, 04:40:34 PM »
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Re: Upper Entiat Valley - Closed
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2015, 05:49:16 PM »
Silly... :bash: :bash:

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Re: Upper Entiat Valley - Closed
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2015, 08:02:47 PM »
Well young and fit.....how do you like this? It is ALL about control :kneel:
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Re: Upper Entiat Valley - Closed
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2015, 10:00:27 PM »
Well that is just predictable ain't it, hope it opens up for you muleracks!
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Re: Upper Entiat Valley - Closed
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2015, 10:14:51 PM »
if she gets it her way the whole valley will be closed 

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Re: Upper Entiat Valley - Closed
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2015, 03:58:11 AM »
What's the reason for the foot closure?  Afraid a snag will fall on people?  I think some of their decisions are very political and not logically based.

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Re: Upper Entiat Valley - Closed
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2015, 05:21:21 AM »
All these closures, Maybe just maybe the heard will actually come back and have a chance in the most hunted GMU in the state.
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Re: Upper Entiat Valley - Closed
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2015, 07:36:49 AM »
Ranger Flanagan might just be anti-hunting; ask her at the Entiat Ranger District office (509) 784-1511 or e-mail jflanagan@fs.fed.us   The upper Entiat is the only burn area closed to the public, with the exception of a very small piece below Hatchery Creek along the Wenatchee River (head of Tumwater Canyon; 9 miles east of Leavenworth; about 10 acres).
This is really weird. 
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Re: Upper Entiat Valley - Closed
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2015, 09:14:59 AM »
Don't ya just love CONTROL under the Public Safety excuse!!! :o

Besides all the "greenie wheenies" making the "decisions" as USFS employee's  :bdid:
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Re: Upper Entiat Valley - Closed
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2015, 09:14:15 AM »
The Forest Service (Ranger Flanagan) has finally agreed to host a meeting to explain the reason(s) for closing the Entiat River Road and trails.
Meeting is Monday, June 1st, 4:30 to 6:30 at the Entiat Grange Hall.

It is an open house format so you can come and go as you please.  Feedback to them (509) 784-4700 or jflanagan@fs.fed.us  P.O. Box 476, Entiat zip 98822

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Re: Upper Entiat Valley - Closed
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2015, 08:26:49 PM »
 :yeah:   I will be there, never miss a chance to mix it up with the Forest Circus  :boxin: :mor:

They were supposed to open the 5900 road....still gated...but a FS employee told us it was OK to take motorcycles up it. They claim the road is closed because of heavy damage from suppression equipment...NOT, I rode the whole road, it is in very good shape.  :bash: :bash:

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Re: Upper Entiat Valley - Closed
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2015, 09:08:02 PM »
March 29th was doing some work on our property and headed up 5900 road, gate was open and said it would be closed April first, made it to 5902 before we hit much snow.. Road was in normal shape not like they are going to grade it! Headed up camping next weekend see where the dirt bike takes me!!
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Re: Upper Entiat Valley - Closed
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2015, 09:09:49 PM »
5900, Shady Pass is in as good a shape as it ever is.  They did a lot of work on it during the fire.  Not damage.
For the Entiat River Road the biggest (far reaching) reason given by the District Ranger for closing the road is "There's no way to get people out of there safely if more fires occur".     If no alternative egress is the new Forest Service criteria, nearly all of the trailhead will be closed.  Not a precedent we want to allow.  None of her other season have stood up to scrutiny.

Monday, June 1st, 4:30 to 6:30 (F.S. open house format) at the Entiat Grange Hall at the library behind the grocery store in Entiat.

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Re: Upper Entiat Valley - Closed
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2015, 09:13:16 PM »
Wow! That's the reason? There are forest service roads all over the state, lots of them, that if people travel to the end of the road, and there's a fire, that road would be the only way out. Geez! They might as well just shut down all public lands then, if they feel the need to protect people from every possible thing that Mother Nature might dish out.   :bash:

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Re: Upper Entiat Valley - Closed
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2015, 09:20:27 PM »
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Re: Upper Entiat Valley - Closed
« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2015, 08:51:59 AM »
The FS (Flanagan's) main reasoning to keep it closed is a term she used multiple times in a recent conversation I had with her, "Alluvial fan situations"
After the fire a heavy rain event caused Pope Creek to swell, which caused debris to block a culvert, which in turn caused the creek to change its course and over flow the valley road. Over the years, Pope creek has had the same issues and to my knowledge the road/area has never been closed for any length of time before.

It is really mismanagement by the FS. Heavy run off in this area is nothing new, fire or not. An effective fix would be to install a much larger culvert for Pope Creek to run through, and an improved channel to the Entiat River.

I firmly believe the FS (with help from the greenies) goal is to eventually close all roads that are not listed as a level 4 or 5 maintenance level. They simply do not want to manage them.  :bash: :bash:

Here is what the Halfway Springs campground looks like after they turned it into a landing. :(
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Re: Upper Entiat Valley - Closed
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2015, 08:59:24 AM »
And then in a few years when they need to get in there to fight a new fire they will wish they had maintained them roads..

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Re: Upper Entiat Valley - Closed
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2015, 09:44:42 AM »
 Motorized access.......Walk in access.................................................................. Does not matter since it's all about control which we should all be against BOTH forms of control. That's a very tough sell to many hunters unfortunately.

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Re: Upper Entiat Valley - Closed
« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2015, 10:05:03 AM »
 :yeah:

Any form of controlling public access to public land is wrong

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Re: Upper Entiat Valley - Closed
« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2015, 10:15:32 AM »
http://www.amazon.com/Tinder-Box-Politically-Ideology-Destroyed/dp/098277348X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1342972902&sr=1-1&keywords=the+tinder+box+--+how+politically+correct+ideology+destroyed+the+u.s.+forest+service


If you want to understand the nature of this Push you should read this book. I have, and persuaded several other members on here to do so. So sum it up concisely, the USFS want to "Manage" in a hands off approach from behind a desk in the office, not out in the field.
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Re: Upper Entiat Valley - Closed
« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2015, 11:07:51 AM »
http://www.amazon.com/Tinder-Box-Politically-Ideology-Destroyed/dp/098277348X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1342972902&sr=1-1&keywords=the+tinder+box+--+how+politically+correct+ideology+destroyed+the+u.s.+forest+service


If you want to understand the nature of this Push you should read this book. I have, and persuaded several other members on here to do so. So sum it up concisely, the USFS want to "Manage" in a hands off approach from behind a desk in the office, not out in the field.

That is evident by just looking at any of the trails.   The trails in the Methow district if it weren't for Back Country Horseman, Local Outfitters and other volunteers the dam trails wouldn't be passable
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Re: Upper Entiat Valley - Closed
« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2015, 12:31:24 PM »
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Re: Upper Entiat Valley - Closed
« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2015, 12:50:59 PM »
Jingles, I agree that there are lots of examples, and yours is just another one in the long list. How many times are our concerns deflected or ignored be cause "Its and isolated incident"?

I think there are 2 problems that are the root cause for the USFS the first (and most documented in the book 40 years worth) is the promotion quotas of those who traditionally who did not work in forestry or have the skills. The second is the ESA. Like MOST federal programs It has outlived the usefulness of its original intent. It basically halted the extinction of 99% of man caused decline, but now has been used as a bludgeon to push an addenda... Preventing Multi-use of public lands. The Sue and Settle technique used by Anti's inside and outside of the agency to push forth the environmental agenda without political review
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Re: Upper Entiat Valley - Closed
« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2015, 01:30:27 PM »
Jingles, I agree that there are lots of examples, and yours is just another one in the long list. How many times are our concerns deflected or ignored be cause "Its and isolated incident"?

I think there are 2 problems that are the root cause for the USFS the first (and most documented in the book 40 years worth) is the promotion quotas of those who traditionally who did not work in forestry or have the skills. The second is the ESA. Like MOST federal programs It has outlived the usefulness of its original intent. It basically halted the extinction of 99% of man caused decline, but now has been used as a bludgeon to push an addenda... Preventing Multi-use of public lands. The Sue and Settle technique used by Anti's inside and outside of the agency to push forth the environmental agenda without political review
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