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« on: January 11, 2016, 07:00:35 PM »
Any of you use Google earth to do some pre season scouting? 

I'm new to hunting mule deer, last year was the first time and now I'm hooked.  Was up in the NE corner Saw lots of mulies,  lots of fork horns and does, hiked a lot of country. Even found a moose shed (3rd pic) Didn't harvest a mule deer, but I am going to make it happen this year.

Last year  Area was really think, so I'm trying to locate some spots to scout come Spring that will allow me to get deep 5 miles or so, and be able to glass.

Hopefully I'll  draw multi season, so I'm Looking to do the early high buck hunt. My question is what do you look for on Google earth?  What makes an area look "bucky" to you from a satellite view?  Any tips?  Everything I've seen online is more oriented towards whitetail stand hunting,  I'm looking to be able to spot and stalk.

Anyone wants to PM me a sample screenshot of an example to what I should be looking for would be great.  Doesn't have to be from this state.  I've got a few spots marked up on google that I'm looking to scout.  I'll post a few screenshots up later to see if I am on the right track.

Few pics from last year.

5th pic down.... How many deer? :)



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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2016, 11:13:38 PM »
Something like this:

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2016, 05:21:28 AM »
Google earth is great, but doesn't show you water. My topo, g4 maps and others show other useful info as well. I have one loaded on with google so I can zoom into an area and toggle between them.

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2016, 05:30:33 AM »
Google earth is nice but boots on the ground is the way to go. Just beware that come hunting season(high hunt or general) it's a different story and there will be others out there with you same way of thinking.
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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2016, 06:11:34 AM »
Personally I like paper.   I get way more out of reading a map.  All of it adds together.  Generally speaking,  if you are sticking to the ne corner, 5 miles in isn't as necessary as is a lot. Of eastern. Washington.   

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2016, 06:13:34 AM »
 I use Google Earth a lot. Everything I need to know is on it except for sign and animals, although I did spot a herd of elk once on it. I can find water, elevations, vegetation, road density (which is one of the most important ones for me), and distances. I'll print satellite views of a spot we want to work and laminate them so we can use them often. It's a very beneficial tool to scout with but also plan your hunts.

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2016, 06:20:14 AM »
Personally I like paper.   I get way more out of reading a map.  All of it adds together.  Generally speaking,  if you are sticking to the ne corner, 5 miles in isn't as necessary as is a lot. Of eastern. Washington.

 :tup:  Combining Google Earth (Bing was better before they screwed improved it >:() and topo maps is the way to go IMO.  They each have their strong points.  Maps show contours better and water features better.  Google allows better idea of vegetation variables.  Together you will find feeding and bedding spots a lot easier.
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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2016, 10:30:11 AM »
Little Dave thanks for the example, I guess it will just take some time and experience for me to see it.  I look at that screen shot and have no clue what I am really looking at relating to deer.  Looks like some thick lower brush with some taller trees? 

Google earth is nice but boots on the ground is the way to go. Just beware that come hunting season(high hunt or general) it's a different story and there will be others out there with you same way of thinking.

Thanks,  I'm not trying to use google instead of boots on the ground, just trying to scope out areas that will be most efficient for my time boots on the ground scouting.  I'm looking to take 5-6 boots on the ground scouting trips June-August, just trying to figure out how to look for new areas during the off season.  I have been listening to a couple hunting podcasts and they keep talking about pre scouting with Google earth and I'm just having trouble figuring out what to actually look for I guess.

Here is an area that I marked that I am hoping to go take a look at spring summer.  Seems that most of the mulies I found were bedding  up high near the top of ridges on small benches with a rock or some other large object at their back.  So looking at this area here I figured I could set up atop one of the ridges and be able to glass across and down with some creek bed drainage to the upper right.

Let me know if you think I am along the right lines or way off and what I can be improving on.

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2016, 03:04:06 PM »
This is the best map I've seen for computer work. You can swap back and forth from satellite view to topo to whatever you could want.
Thanks to "Joseph" on the forum for creating and sharing this tool.

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2016, 03:10:56 PM »
I love using Google earth to scout. It gives you a good idea of where you should concentrate your time scouting. Helps you to not waste time.

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2016, 03:15:24 PM »
Works great ..I used it a lot this year ...You can really pin point drainages in the areas you are hunting ..

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2016, 04:57:55 PM »
Your definitely along the right lines. Once i find a general area I like to look at topo view just as you are and once I find terrain features I like, then click over to Arial view to get a feel for the vegetation... Most of the time it looks way different when I show up there with my binos but hey that's why we scout.
This is the best map I've seen for computer work. You can swap back and forth from satellite view to topo to whatever you could want.
Thanks to "Joseph" on the forum for creating and sharing this tool.

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That is a cool map program thanks for posting a link :tup:

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2016, 05:56:49 PM »
Well, I was mostly joking with that snapshot, some elk in it.  Even so, you can zoom in to see things like game trails and then a number of other components of good habitat.

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2016, 08:52:00 AM »
I use it for prescouting, then get out there and actually put leather on the ground... it's great for finding areas off the beaten path, and ways in and out... but don't rely on the pics too much... have many times seen a clear cut on google that the image stated less then a year old, and gone out to find 30' trees... I know some grow fast, but damn....

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2016, 09:24:04 AM »
This is a good one. You can have your topo with trail maps rite next to the satellite image.
http://www.hillmap.com/

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2016, 11:34:02 AM »
I see 4 deer...possibly 5
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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2016, 02:11:15 PM »

I see 4 deer...possibly 5
I only see 3 and I think the doe peeking from behind the tree is a whitetail?

Also to the OP I don't think there are any high hunt areas in the NE corner


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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2016, 09:24:15 PM »
I thought there were only 3.  Maybe there are more?  I can't find them if there are.

Andrew im Looking to do a high buck in one of the wilderness areas, glacier peak or paysaten most likely.  NE corner is just where I hunted last year,  didn't mean to make it sound like I was trying to do a high hunt in the NE corner.

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2016, 04:50:02 AM »
And for those doing some armchair scouting and looking for their own sekrit spot on public land, keep in mind that Gmap4 can show you public land boundaries.  Just scroll down a bit on this page for the map links.

http://www.propertylinemaps.com/p/public_land_map/state/WA/_washington_layers_off.html

Each map can show a bunch of different GIS overlays.

To get the most out of these maps, please click "About this map" in the upper left corner.

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2016, 07:39:33 PM »
I have definitely headed out to a Google map clearing to find out it's been overgrown. How do you tell when the satellite  photos are taken?

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2016, 07:40:42 PM »
I have definitely headed out to a Google map clearing to find out it's been overgrown. How do you tell when the satellite  photos are taken?
Usually the date is shown at the bottom of the window in Google earth

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2016, 09:41:56 AM »
I have definitely headed out to a Google map clearing to find out it's been overgrown. How do you tell when the satellite  photos are taken?

Click the icon of the clock with the green arrow wrapping around it.  That will bring up a time line in the top left corner with a slide bar; you can choose various dates when pictures were taken of the area you are viewing.

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2016, 10:48:07 PM »
I use google earth all the time along with my topo maps. I've been starting to hunt out of state and Google earth helps a ton! Especially with looking for potential camping spots and the what's over that next ridge question. I find lots of good hidey holes and more importantly water. I'm scouting all over Arizona and water is one of the things I search for (mostly water tanks).

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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2016, 10:54:49 PM »
Any of you use Google earth to do some pre season scouting? 

I'm new to hunting mule deer, last year was the first time and now I'm hooked.  Was up in the NE corner Saw lots of mulies,  lots of fork horns and does, hiked a lot of country. Even found a moose shed (3rd pic) Didn't harvest a mule deer, but I am going to make it happen this year.

Last year  Area was really think, so I'm trying to locate some spots to scout come Spring that will allow me to get deep 5 miles or so, and be able to glass.

Hopefully I'll  draw multi season, so I'm Looking to do the early high buck hunt. My question is what do you look for on Google earth?  What makes an area look "bucky" to you from a satellite view?  Any tips?  Everything I've seen online is more oriented towards whitetail stand hunting,  I'm looking to be able to spot and stalk.

Anyone wants to PM me a sample screenshot of an example to what I should be looking for would be great.  Doesn't have to be from this state.  I've got a few spots marked up on google that I'm looking to scout.  I'll post a few screenshots up later to see if I am on the right track.

Few pics from last year.

5th pic down.... How many deer? :)




I use it alot, onXmaps sells a topo for it just like the one that goes into your GPS i think its like 30$ If I remember, I bought it like 4 years ago so I dont remember off the top of my head. Its great, can search around from home and see who owns what properties and what GMU's your in. Its a one time fee so Its a killer price IMO.
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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2016, 10:59:53 PM »
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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2016, 05:30:28 AM »
Any of you use Google earth to do some pre season scouting? 

I'm new to hunting mule deer, last year was the first time and now I'm hooked.  Was up in the NE corner Saw lots of mulies,  lots of fork horns and does, hiked a lot of country. Even found a moose shed (3rd pic) Didn't harvest a mule deer, but I am going to make it happen this year.

Last year  Area was really think, so I'm trying to locate some spots to scout come Spring that will allow me to get deep 5 miles or so, and be able to glass.

Hopefully I'll  draw multi season, so I'm Looking to do the early high buck hunt. My question is what do you look for on Google earth?  What makes an area look "bucky" to you from a satellite view?  Any tips?  Everything I've seen online is more oriented towards whitetail stand hunting,  I'm looking to be able to spot and stalk.

Anyone wants to PM me a sample screenshot of an example to what I should be looking for would be great.  Doesn't have to be from this state.  I've got a few spots marked up on google that I'm looking to scout.  I'll post a few screenshots up later to see if I am on the right track.

Few pics from last year.

5th pic down.... How many deer? :)




I use it alot, onXmaps sells a topo for it just like the one that goes into your GPS i think its like 30$ If I remember, I bought it like 4 years ago so I dont remember off the top of my head. Its great, can search around from home and see who owns what properties and what GMU's your in. Its a one time fee so Its a killer price IMO.
I don't think they do the google earth layer anymore. I was looking into it last year and they said they no longer support google earth


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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2016, 10:19:38 AM »
Any of you use Google earth to do some pre season scouting? 

I'm new to hunting mule deer, last year was the first time and now I'm hooked.  Was up in the NE corner Saw lots of mulies,  lots of fork horns and does, hiked a lot of country. Even found a moose shed (3rd pic) Didn't harvest a mule deer, but I am going to make it happen this year.

Last year  Area was really think, so I'm trying to locate some spots to scout come Spring that will allow me to get deep 5 miles or so, and be able to glass.

Hopefully I'll  draw multi season, so I'm Looking to do the early high buck hunt. My question is what do you look for on Google earth?  What makes an area look "bucky" to you from a satellite view?  Any tips?  Everything I've seen online is more oriented towards whitetail stand hunting,  I'm looking to be able to spot and stalk.

Anyone wants to PM me a sample screenshot of an example to what I should be looking for would be great.  Doesn't have to be from this state.  I've got a few spots marked up on google that I'm looking to scout.  I'll post a few screenshots up later to see if I am on the right track.

Few pics from last year.

5th pic down.... How many deer? :)




I use it alot, onXmaps sells a topo for it just like the one that goes into your GPS i think its like 30$ If I remember, I bought it like 4 years ago so I dont remember off the top of my head. Its great, can search around from home and see who owns what properties and what GMU's your in. Its a one time fee so Its a killer price IMO.
I don't think they do the google earth layer anymore. I was looking into it last year and they said they no longer support google earth


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Re: Google Earth
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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2016, 01:44:17 PM »
Any of you use Google earth to do some pre season scouting? 

I'm new to hunting mule deer, last year was the first time and now I'm hooked.  Was up in the NE corner Saw lots of mulies,  lots of fork horns and does, hiked a lot of country. Even found a moose shed (3rd pic) Didn't harvest a mule deer, but I am going to make it happen this year.

Last year  Area was really think, so I'm trying to locate some spots to scout come Spring that will allow me to get deep 5 miles or so, and be able to glass.

Hopefully I'll  draw multi season, so I'm Looking to do the early high buck hunt. My question is what do you look for on Google earth?  What makes an area look "bucky" to you from a satellite view?  Any tips?  Everything I've seen online is more oriented towards whitetail stand hunting,  I'm looking to be able to spot and stalk.

Anyone wants to PM me a sample screenshot of an example to what I should be looking for would be great.  Doesn't have to be from this state.  I've got a few spots marked up on google that I'm looking to scout.  I'll post a few screenshots up later to see if I am on the right track.

Few pics from last year.

5th pic down.... How many deer? :)




I use it alot, onXmaps sells a topo for it just like the one that goes into your GPS i think its like 30$ If I remember, I bought it like 4 years ago so I dont remember off the top of my head. Its great, can search around from home and see who owns what properties and what GMU's your in. Its a one time fee so Its a killer price IMO.
I don't think they do the google earth layer anymore. I was looking into it last year and they said they no longer support google earth


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I'm sure if you bought it from them it will still work I just don't think they offer the product anymore


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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #29 on: June 09, 2016, 10:35:51 PM »
Any of you use Google earth to do some pre season scouting? 

I'm new to hunting mule deer, last year was the first time and now I'm hooked.  Was up in the NE corner Saw lots of mulies,  lots of fork horns and does, hiked a lot of country. Even found a moose shed (3rd pic) Didn't harvest a mule deer, but I am going to make it happen this year.

Last year  Area was really think, so I'm trying to locate some spots to scout come Spring that will allow me to get deep 5 miles or so, and be able to glass.

Hopefully I'll  draw multi season, so I'm Looking to do the early high buck hunt. My question is what do you look for on Google earth?  What makes an area look "bucky" to you from a satellite view?  Any tips?  Everything I've seen online is more oriented towards whitetail stand hunting,  I'm looking to be able to spot and stalk.

Anyone wants to PM me a sample screenshot of an example to what I should be looking for would be great.  Doesn't have to be from this state.  I've got a few spots marked up on google that I'm looking to scout.  I'll post a few screenshots up later to see if I am on the right track.

Few pics from last year.

5th pic down.... How many deer? :)




I use it alot, onXmaps sells a topo for it just like the one that goes into your GPS i think its like 30$ If I remember, I bought it like 4 years ago so I dont remember off the top of my head. Its great, can search around from home and see who owns what properties and what GMU's your in. Its a one time fee so Its a killer price IMO.
I don't think they do the google earth layer anymore. I was looking into it last year and they said they no longer support google earth


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Mine sure still works.
I'm sure if you bought it from them it will still work I just don't think they offer the product anymore


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That's a shame if they don't, I use it more than I use my layering system on my GPS map. I mostly only use it when Im trying to find a specific GMU line or someones property line, Kept me from illegaly trespassing and recovering my deer last year. Had to jump through hoops and knock on every door in the neighborhood to find someone that knew the land owner, He was not happy the deer wound up on his property. Although he did let me recover it. Best part was I knew the name of the land owner so I could get right to the point.
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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #30 on: June 10, 2016, 03:00:36 AM »
Any of you use Google earth to do some pre season scouting? 

I'm new to hunting mule deer, last year was the first time and now I'm hooked.  Was up in the NE corner Saw lots of mulies,  lots of fork horns and does, hiked a lot of country. Even found a moose shed (3rd pic) Didn't harvest a mule deer, but I am going to make it happen this year.

Last year  Area was really think, so I'm trying to locate some spots to scout come Spring that will allow me to get deep 5 miles or so, and be able to glass.

Hopefully I'll  draw multi season, so I'm Looking to do the early high buck hunt. My question is what do you look for on Google earth?  What makes an area look "bucky" to you from a satellite view?  Any tips?  Everything I've seen online is more oriented towards whitetail stand hunting,  I'm looking to be able to spot and stalk.

Anyone wants to PM me a sample screenshot of an example to what I should be looking for would be great.  Doesn't have to be from this state.  I've got a few spots marked up on google that I'm looking to scout.  I'll post a few screenshots up later to see if I am on the right track.

Few pics from last year.

5th pic down.... How many deer? :)




I use it alot, onXmaps sells a topo for it just like the one that goes into your GPS i think its like 30$ If I remember, I bought it like 4 years ago so I dont remember off the top of my head. Its great, can search around from home and see who owns what properties and what GMU's your in. Its a one time fee so Its a killer price IMO.
I don't think they do the google earth layer anymore. I was looking into it last year and they said they no longer support google earth


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Mine sure still works.
I'm sure if you bought it from them it will still work I just don't think they offer the product anymore


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That's a shame if they don't, I use it more than I use my layering system on my GPS map. I mostly only use it when Im trying to find a specific GMU line or someones property line, Kept me from illegaly trespassing and recovering my deer last year. Had to jump through hoops and knock on every door in the neighborhood to find someone that knew the land owner, He was not happy the deer wound up on his property. Although he did let me recover it. Best part was I knew the name of the land owner so I could get right to the point.
I have the onx app on my phone, knowing the landowner names is awesome but really wish it had some contact info as well


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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #31 on: June 10, 2016, 04:19:08 PM »
Any of you use Google earth to do some pre season scouting? 

I'm new to hunting mule deer, last year was the first time and now I'm hooked.  Was up in the NE corner Saw lots of mulies,  lots of fork horns and does, hiked a lot of country. Even found a moose shed (3rd pic) Didn't harvest a mule deer, but I am going to make it happen this year.

Last year  Area was really think, so I'm trying to locate some spots to scout come Spring that will allow me to get deep 5 miles or so, and be able to glass.

Hopefully I'll  draw multi season, so I'm Looking to do the early high buck hunt. My question is what do you look for on Google earth?  What makes an area look "bucky" to you from a satellite view?  Any tips?  Everything I've seen online is more oriented towards whitetail stand hunting,  I'm looking to be able to spot and stalk.

Anyone wants to PM me a sample screenshot of an example to what I should be looking for would be great.  Doesn't have to be from this state.  I've got a few spots marked up on google that I'm looking to scout.  I'll post a few screenshots up later to see if I am on the right track.

Few pics from last year.

5th pic down.... How many deer? :)




I use it alot, onXmaps sells a topo for it just like the one that goes into your GPS i think its like 30$ If I remember, I bought it like 4 years ago so I dont remember off the top of my head. Its great, can search around from home and see who owns what properties and what GMU's your in. Its a one time fee so Its a killer price IMO.
I don't think they do the google earth layer anymore. I was looking into it last year and they said they no longer support google earth


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Mine sure still works.
I'm sure if you bought it from them it will still work I just don't think they offer the product anymore


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That's a shame if they don't, I use it more than I use my layering system on my GPS map. I mostly only use it when Im trying to find a specific GMU line or someones property line, Kept me from illegaly trespassing and recovering my deer last year. Had to jump through hoops and knock on every door in the neighborhood to find someone that knew the land owner, He was not happy the deer wound up on his property. Although he did let me recover it. Best part was I knew the name of the land owner so I could get right to the point.
I have the onx app on my phone, knowing the landowner names is awesome but really wish it had some contact info as well


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As nice as that may be for some circumstances, I think that would cross the line of privacy. Would have ever joe shmoe calling you looking to hunt your piece of land. Its probably better with just a name.
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Re: Google Earth
« Reply #32 on: June 10, 2016, 04:20:50 PM »
Any of you use Google earth to do some pre season scouting? 

I'm new to hunting mule deer, last year was the first time and now I'm hooked.  Was up in the NE corner Saw lots of mulies,  lots of fork horns and does, hiked a lot of country. Even found a moose shed (3rd pic) Didn't harvest a mule deer, but I am going to make it happen this year.

Last year  Area was really think, so I'm trying to locate some spots to scout come Spring that will allow me to get deep 5 miles or so, and be able to glass.

Hopefully I'll  draw multi season, so I'm Looking to do the early high buck hunt. My question is what do you look for on Google earth?  What makes an area look "bucky" to you from a satellite view?  Any tips?  Everything I've seen online is more oriented towards whitetail stand hunting,  I'm looking to be able to spot and stalk.

Anyone wants to PM me a sample screenshot of an example to what I should be looking for would be great.  Doesn't have to be from this state.  I've got a few spots marked up on google that I'm looking to scout.  I'll post a few screenshots up later to see if I am on the right track.

Few pics from last year.

5th pic down.... How many deer? :)




I use it alot, onXmaps sells a topo for it just like the one that goes into your GPS i think its like 30$ If I remember, I bought it like 4 years ago so I dont remember off the top of my head. Its great, can search around from home and see who owns what properties and what GMU's your in. Its a one time fee so Its a killer price IMO.
I don't think they do the google earth layer anymore. I was looking into it last year and they said they no longer support google earth


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Mine sure still works.
I'm sure if you bought it from them it will still work I just don't think they offer the product anymore


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That's a shame if they don't, I use it more than I use my layering system on my GPS map. I mostly only use it when Im trying to find a specific GMU line or someones property line, Kept me from illegaly trespassing and recovering my deer last year. Had to jump through hoops and knock on every door in the neighborhood to find someone that knew the land owner, He was not happy the deer wound up on his property. Although he did let me recover it. Best part was I knew the name of the land owner so I could get right to the point.
I have the onx app on my phone, knowing the landowner names is awesome but really wish it had some contact info as well


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As nice as that may be for some circumstances, I think that would cross the line of privacy. Would have ever joe shmoe calling you looking to hunt your piece of land. Its probably better with just a name.
I believe they did have a version with landowner contact info. I agree seems to cross a line but if the technology exists may as well use it


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