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Re: Hunter facing charges after death of beloved elk named Bullwinkle
« Reply #50 on: May 15, 2016, 12:52:44 PM »
So ppl are being threatened with lawsuites..topics being closed..women have their own special board... Wow this forum isnt what it was when i signed on

Wow. Sorry to hear that.
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Hunter facing charges after death of beloved elk named Bullwinkle
« Reply #51 on: May 15, 2016, 12:53:45 PM »
Ironic that the day after Dale closes down the thread, this article comes out and starts a whole new one.

Not ironic, disrespectful.


 The Yakima Herald disrespected Dale? Really?

I guess you did say article, I mis read that. I meant , the need to post this article knowing damn well it would be a continuation of the recently locked thread is disrespectful to this forum and Bearpaw.

I agree. There's a reason the other one was shut down. Special thanks to JDHasty for reviving this hot mess.
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Re: Hunter facing charges after death of beloved elk named Bullwinkle
« Reply #52 on: May 15, 2016, 12:54:37 PM »
Ironic that the day after Dale closes down the thread, this article comes out and starts a whole new one.

Not ironic, disrespectful.


 The Yakima Herald disrespected Dale? Really?

I guess you did say article, I mis read that.

 Do you now see the irony? ;)
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Re: Hunter facing charges after death of beloved elk named Bullwinkle
« Reply #53 on: May 15, 2016, 01:47:34 PM »
Maybe  it's just the common folk feeling pushed around .  I HOPE ANOTHER MEMBER POSTS HIS VIDEO LINK  .Just for clarification  :chuckle:
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Re: Hunter facing charges after death of beloved elk named Bullwinkle
« Reply #54 on: May 15, 2016, 02:02:06 PM »
I was totally unaware that the other thread had been locked when I posted this.  I was in central WA until almost 10 pm. 

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Re: Hunter facing charges after death of beloved elk named Bullwinkle
« Reply #55 on: May 15, 2016, 02:22:51 PM »
So ppl are being threatened with lawsuites..topics being closed..women have their own special board... Wow this forum isnt what it was when i signed on

When did you sign on? because none of that is new.. there's been lawsuit threats, our own special women's board, and topics being closed down since prior to 2013 when you signed up ;)

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Re: Hunter facing charges after death of beloved elk named Bullwinkle
« Reply #56 on: May 15, 2016, 02:51:57 PM »
Ironic that the day after Dale closes down the thread, this article comes out and starts a whole new one.

Not ironic, disrespectful.


 The Yakima Herald disrespected Dale? Really?

I guess you did say article, I mis read that. I meant , the need to post this article knowing damn well it would be a continuation of the recently locked thread is disrespectful to this forum and Bearpaw.

I agree. There's a reason the other one was shut down. Special thanks to JDHasty for reviving this hot mess.
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Due to the reason given of legal threats for removing the other thread I think this goes way past disrespectful.  I am very suprised this forum continues to let this individual have access knowing his actions may lead to legal headaches for them.

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Re: Hunter facing charges after death of beloved elk named Bullwinkle
« Reply #57 on: May 15, 2016, 03:07:21 PM »
Well actually, I have to say, I was glad that someone posted a link to the Yakima Herald article. I may not have seen it otherwise. I probably would have posted it myself if I had come across it first. This is also being discussed on Facebook and I'm sure there are comments being posted in the Yakima Herald as well.

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Re: Hunter facing charges after death of beloved elk named Bullwinkle
« Reply #58 on: May 15, 2016, 03:14:11 PM »
I didn't realize Tod was so old. 

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Re: Hunter facing charges after death of beloved elk named Bullwinkle
« Reply #59 on: May 15, 2016, 03:14:58 PM »
Curious to know if all the people posting on Facebook regarding this case will be sued too?
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Re: Hunter facing charges after death of beloved elk named Bullwinkle
« Reply #60 on: May 15, 2016, 03:15:31 PM »
Will Zuckerberg be sued also?
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Re: Hunter facing charges after death of beloved elk named Bullwinkle
« Reply #61 on: May 15, 2016, 03:15:52 PM »
The only argument  i would have in response to the guy who says he knows permission from the warden..
If it was legal to shoot why haul it and gut it in another unit?
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Re: Hunter facing charges after death of beloved elk named Bullwinkle
« Reply #62 on: May 15, 2016, 03:18:45 PM »
Curious to know if all the people posting on Facebook regarding this case will be sued too?
How about the Yakima Herald? Or the people on 24hourcampfire?

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Re: Hunter facing charges after death of beloved elk named Bullwinkle
« Reply #63 on: May 15, 2016, 03:19:29 PM »
The only argument  i would have in response to the guy who says he knows permission from the warden..
If it was legal to shoot why haul it and gut it in another unit?

Some farmers don't want a gut pile in there field, I've done the exact same a couple times

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Re: Hunter facing charges after death of beloved elk named Bullwinkle
« Reply #64 on: May 15, 2016, 03:34:57 PM »
Anyone can sue anyone else, at any time, for any reason,  or for no reason. Whether or not it is successful is another issue, but at a minimum the party being sued will likely have some financial consequences. To an extent our legal system is a matter of "how much justice can you afford? " If someone with deep pockets wants to make someone else miserable, it's quite doable.
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Re: Hunter facing charges after death of beloved elk named Bullwinkle
« Reply #65 on: May 17, 2016, 02:52:20 PM »
Anyone can sue anyone else, at any time, for any reason,  or for no reason. Whether or not it is successful is another issue, but at a minimum the party being sued will likely have some financial consequences. To an extent our legal system is a matter of "how much justice can you afford? " If someone with deep pockets wants to make someone else miserable, it's quite doable.

 Which is why the indivual pursuing the suit should have to front the estimated costs and have the balance paid in full before leaving the courthouse if they lose, or sit in jail until it's paid.

 My guess is that would reduce the backlog of cases and make people think twice before pursuing some of these BS suits. :twocents:
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Re: Hunter facing charges after death of beloved elk named Bullwinkle
« Reply #66 on: May 17, 2016, 03:30:45 PM »
Well actually, I have to say, I was glad that someone posted a link to the Yakima Herald article. I may not have seen it otherwise. I probably would have posted it myself if I had come across it first. This is also being discussed on Facebook and I'm sure there are comments being posted in the Yakima Herald as well.

thanks for the link to the article. I find it interesting how this one animal and hunter has created such a stir... from a different perspective, this person has probably put into WA state conservation (financially) MORE than this entire site full of hunters combine since just 2007. I don't know him, his ethics, or how rich he is either.. This animal was a conservation tool, used to draw money from us all for a chance of a lifetime, one ticket ever year for me too! Ethics and location maybe not so much. In the end, the money this one hunter has given has most likely made a direct impact in WA and now, the state will waste most of it (i bet) toward litigation and investigation fees. Why not just fix the book to allow this to occur, after all, these raffles and auction tags are just designed to make conservation dollars as I am led to understand in all the writings right? One draw, one animal, one hunter? Is it really that bad that this old rich dude paid to play or are we just jealous and casting stones?
Again, just considering the gain from all the moneys invested, not the ethical hunting of one man position. I find it more appalling when a person of this financial affluence takes the route of posting up a 100K piece of property his millionaire buddies to hunt and not giving back, don't you?
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Re: Hunter facing charges after death of beloved elk named Bullwinkle
« Reply #67 on: May 17, 2016, 03:34:03 PM »
I'm very curious what the defendant is claiming the false statements were...he has been criminally charged in the matter.
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Re: Hunter facing charges after death of beloved elk named Bullwinkle
« Reply #68 on: May 17, 2016, 03:35:33 PM »
Well actually, I have to say, I was glad that someone posted a link to the Yakima Herald article. I may not have seen it otherwise. I probably would have posted it myself if I had come across it first. This is also being discussed on Facebook and I'm sure there are comments being posted in the Yakima Herald as well.

thanks for the link to the article. I find it interesting how this one animal and hunter has created such a stir... from a different perspective, this person has probably put into WA state conservation (financially) MORE than this entire site full of hunters combine since just 2007. I don't know him, his ethics, or how rich he is either.. This animal was a conservation tool, used to draw money from us all for a chance of a lifetime, one ticket ever year for me too! Ethics and location maybe not so much. In the end, the money this one hunter has given has most likely made a direct impact in WA and now, the state will waste most of it (i bet) toward litigation and investigation fees. Why not just fix the book to allow this to occur, after all, these raffles and auction tags are just designed to make conservation dollars as I am led to understand in all the writings right? One draw, one animal, one hunter? Is it really that bad that this old rich dude paid to play or are we just jealous and casting stones?
Again, just considering the gain from all the moneys invested, not the ethical hunting of one man position. I find it more appalling when a person of this financial affluence takes the route of posting up a 100K piece of property his millionaire buddies to hunt and not giving back, don't you?
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Re: Hunter facing charges after death of beloved elk named Bullwinkle
« Reply #70 on: May 17, 2016, 08:47:58 PM »
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1. kiticaashunter, Welcome to the site. Maybe think about going to the "new member" thread and tell us about yourself. Personally, I take more stock in what people I know tell me, more than from a stranger.  :twocents:

2. This is definitely not the 1st one of these type of permits(auction/raffle) that the defendant has had in his WA hunting career. The fact that he had to CALL ANYONE, including WDFW, to ask if he could shoot this bull is just silly. Come on, there can only be one reason the call was made, he knew it was not legal (easily understood in the regs) Why else would you call???  If he got a thumbs up to shoot, he had a scapegoat.

3. This is a prime example of why PUBLIC game animals should not be sold to the wealthy. I don't care how much money he has given the state, the animals are public property and should not be sold to the highest bidder.

4. Hunting to me is the act of going out into the forest, woods, wildland, sage, even an alfalfa field, and using my wits and skill to get within lethal range of a truly wild animal (not a semi tame one) , and then killing it to feed my family. The antlers are just a side bonus. What was done in this case was NOT HUNTING, more like shooting.

5. A lot of talk about how much $$ this individual has put into conservation in WA ST. If one TRULY cares about the well being of the critters, and that same person is very well off, why not just donate to the cause and not expect a permit in return? 

6. Absolutely do not understand how a person could be proud of acquiring a "trophy" in this manner.

7. kiticaashunter, Curious as to who the second phone call was to.  :dunno:

8. No, I am not jealous,  :rolleyes:, If I had that kinda money, I could find much more satisfying ways to hunt, ( like trying to kill a big game animal in all 50 states in 1 years time)

9. This is better than a soap opera.  :P

10. Thank You JDHasty, keep standing up for what you believe in.  :tup:

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Re: Hunter facing charges after death of beloved elk named Bullwinkle
« Reply #71 on: May 17, 2016, 08:57:39 PM »
 :yeah:

Anyone can sue anyone else, at any time, for any reason,  or for no reason. Whether or not it is successful is another issue, but at a minimum the party being sued will likely have some financial consequences. To an extent our legal system is a matter of "how much justice can you afford? " If someone with deep pockets wants to make someone else miserable, it's quite doable.

 Which is why the indivual pursuing the suit should have to front the estimated costs and have the balance paid in full before leaving the courthouse if they lose, or sit in jail until it's paid.

 My guess is that would reduce the backlog of cases and make people think twice before pursuing some of these BS suits. :twocents:

This is a whole other topic... but very true.

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Re: Hunter facing charges after death of beloved elk named Bullwinkle
« Reply #72 on: May 17, 2016, 09:04:23 PM »
Interesting side note here....

"Bullwinkle often fed at the home of Mark and Frances Chmelewski, the couple who gave him that name.

“He would come into our yard and eat apples off our tree, and we’d sit and watch, just meters from him,” Mark Chmelewski said.

“Every year we’d say a little prayer that Bullwinkle would survive the hunting season because he was just such a beautiful, majestic animal.”"

 and then after google

http://www.dailyrecordnews.com/news/frances-chmelewski-is-new-kittitas-county-superior-court-judge/article_61b61d0a-162c-11e1-8f9d-001cc4c03286.html


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Re: Hunter facing charges after death of beloved elk named Bullwinkle
« Reply #73 on: May 17, 2016, 09:07:02 PM »
Wonder if the judge is a hunter ?
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Re: Hunter facing charges after death of beloved elk named Bullwinkle
« Reply #74 on: May 17, 2016, 09:33:57 PM »
Interesting side note here....

"Bullwinkle often fed at the home of Mark and Frances Chmelewski, the couple who gave him that name.

“He would come into our yard and eat apples off our tree, and we’d sit and watch, just meters from him,” Mark Chmelewski said.

“Every year we’d say a little prayer that Bullwinkle would survive the hunting season because he was just such a beautiful, majestic animal.”"

 and then after google

http://www.dailyrecordnews.com/news/frances-chmelewski-is-new-kittitas-county-superior-court-judge/article_61b61d0a-162c-11e1-8f9d-001cc4c03286.html


Karma??
oh snap!
Wonder if that actually helps him?  Can't the defense petition to bring in an unrelated judge from another county if there is some kind of conflict?

 

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