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Re: best caliber for coyote hunting
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2009, 01:25:24 PM »
All depends on how far your shooting and if your saving pelts to sell. Any thing under 400 yards is a dead dog with my .204 and no exit hole. I grab it instead of my 22-250 now.

That's on what... 10 dogs... jury is still out brotha... and if I recall... that didn't happen the first time or two... now did it? I know the 40 grainers are better medicine... but lets wait for a sample a little larger than 10, I know you'll get there... you're a coyote slayin' animal!

By the way... thanks for not killing all my Moses Lake are dogs!

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Re: best caliber for coyote hunting
« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2009, 01:46:35 PM »
So why not a 7mm mag, 300win mag, 338 win mag. Those will knock em down too right? I think even better than a .243 or 6mm. But the one I shoot with my 7mm usually have a basketball size exit hole.

Actually... they don't. I saw 3 shot this weekend with the .300 RUM running 208 AMaxs at 3200... all 3 of them moved at least 15 yards after the shot... this seems like a common occurance with anything bigger than about a 7 mag. Plus... you don't get the velocity... and as a .204 guy... you know how nice that is. I think the .243/6mm are superior to even my beloved .25-06 for pure coyote medicine... I just like the performance I get on deer with the .25... that's why I shoot it. AND... the recoil level on the big guns doesn't let you watch what happens with the shot. I'm only so convinced of the superiority of the 6mms... because I've been there... done that. I've killed coyotes with everything from the .17 HMR to the .375 H&H... they all worked to some degree... the 6mms and the big .25 just plain work better than anything I've shot... and we're talking about many , many, many more coyotes than the 10 shot with your .204 (which I think I killed a few coyotes with... I only recovered one though... and that was after switching to the 40 grainers like you). Truth be told... I'll shoot a coyote with anything I happen to have... hell, I've pulled over and thrown rocks at them because I didn't have a gun... but I definately have a healthy respect for the tenacity and toughness of coyotes... twenty plus years of hunting them has galvanized this belief... and my choice of caliber reflects these observations.
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Re: best caliber for coyote hunting
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2009, 01:51:52 PM »
So why not a 7mm mag, 300win mag, 338 win mag. Those will knock em down too right? I think even better than a .243 or 6mm. But the one I shoot with my 7mm usually have a basketball size exit hole.

Actually... they don't. I saw 3 shot this weekend with the .300 RUM running 208 AMaxs at 3200... all 3 of them moved at least 15 yards after the shot... this seems like a common occurance with anything bigger than about a 7 mag. Plus... you don't get the velocity... and as a .204 guy... you know how nice that is. I think the .243/6mm are superior to even my beloved .25-06 for pure coyote medicine... I just like the performance I get on deer with the .25... that's why I shoot it. AND... the recoil level on the big guns doesn't let you watch what happens with the shot. I'm only so convinced of the superiority of the 6mms... because I've been there... done that. I've killed coyotes with everything from the .17 HMR to the .375 H&H... they all worked to some degree... the 6mms and the big .25 just plain work better than anything I've shot... and we're talking about many , many, many more coyotes than the 10 shot with your .204 (which I think I killed a few coyotes with... I only recovered one though... and that was after switching to the 40 grainers like you). Truth be told... I'll shoot a coyote with anything I happen to have... hell, I've pulled over and thrown rocks at them because I didn't have a gun... but I definately have a healthy respect for the tenacity and toughness of coyotes... twenty plus years of hunting them has galvanized this belief... and my choice of caliber reflects these observations.
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Re: best caliber for coyote hunting
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2009, 02:02:25 PM »
I do 90% of my 'yote hunting with my .204 and 40 grain v-max.  This thing is a killing machine to about 425.....past that, I get runners and subsequent follow-up shots (follow-ups are hard on a spinning 'yote at 400+).  The beauty of the 243 is:  1) It is an inherently accurate cartridge (like all .308 based cartridges) 2) Easy to load for  3) Extreme velocity with light projectiles  4)  Low recoil  5) And last but not least, the availability of LAPUA and Norma brass!  This is a true load and shoot caliber that has many of the benefits of pain-in-the-ars wildcats.

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Re: best caliber for coyote hunting
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2009, 02:03:22 PM »
I've got a few... most were lost in a spooky fire... along with my 6/284 and some other stuff I really wish I had back. Truth is... for a long time I wasn't much of a recovery and hero picture kind of guy, I just liked hunting and shooting coyotes. I didn't shoot all the coyotes in my massive sample of terminal ballistics... but I was there... and I saw what happend. There was about 15 years between high school and kids... when that's about all I did was hunt coyotes. I hunt deer a little... and bears a little... but like I said, coyotes are what I love to hunt. I've personally only shot a couple hundred. Besides... if  was Jim Shockey... I'd have shot them all with a muzzle loader!

Here's a picture of one day back in 2005... that's about as many  coyotes as you've killed with your .204... all killed with 55 grain Noslers in the 6mm Rem.

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« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2009, 02:05:45 PM »
I voted, with my $$, for the .204 solution.  Excellent trajectory, excellent terminal ballistics (whacks 'em dead enough), but it also has low noise, and minimal ricochet potential.  These last two attributes are useful when working around ranches and farms (the best coyote territory).
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Re: best caliber for coyote hunting
« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2009, 02:06:41 PM »
Josh and Stick....keep at it enjoying the banter.  Can we get a pick of who's yellow mark is farthest in the snow?   :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

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Re: best caliber for coyote hunting
« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2009, 02:12:32 PM »
Josh and Stick....keep at it enjoying the banter.  Can we get a pick of who's yellow mark is farthest in the snow?   :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Re: best caliber for coyote hunting
« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2009, 02:12:47 PM »
Votes don't lie, if Hussien can be president, the 22-250 can be king of the 'yote calibers :chuckle: :chuckle:

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Re: best caliber for coyote hunting
« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2009, 02:13:13 PM »
I think  Tom Berenger is a member on the site :chuckle:
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Re: best caliber for coyote hunting
« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2009, 02:18:50 PM »
Votes don't lie, if Hussien can be president, the 22-250 can be king of the 'yote calibers :chuckle: :chuckle:

And that makes it ok? You can keep Obama and your 22/250... I guess that makes the .204 Nancy Pelosi right?
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Re: best caliber for coyote hunting
« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2009, 02:24:25 PM »
I dont disagree a bit that a few might get away once in a while with a poorly placed shot and one might spin for a little while with the .204. I never said it knocks them to the dirt every time like a 7mm. My point is that I have been very impressed with the pelts. Out bobcats and coyotes are all able to be sold. With higher caliber even 22-250 (which actually gets my vote for best yote gun) there are bigger holes which makes it tough to sell em. And selling them is part of coyote hunting for us so that has to be a factor in my choice of gun.

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Re: best caliber for coyote hunting
« Reply #37 on: February 02, 2009, 02:27:58 PM »
 :yeah:

22-250 gets my vote for just killing coyotes!
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Re: best caliber for coyote hunting
« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2009, 02:29:53 PM »
I hear ya... but I don't really keep pelts... the $5-$15 bucks you can get for them... ain't worth me taking the time to skin them. If it's a good looking dog, and I want the pelt... then I can do a little sewing. If I were hunting for fur... I'd probably shoot a .204... I was impressed with the ballisics of the 40 grainers... they buck the wind a lot better than I thought they would... and 3800fps is a pretty good number.

So, I'll rephrase... the best "coyote caliber" is the .243/6mm Rem... period. The best usable coyote pelt saving caliber is the .204... debatable, but that's what I'd shoot... and I'd be pretty particular about shot placement.
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Re: best caliber for coyote hunting
« Reply #39 on: February 02, 2009, 02:36:48 PM »
I hunt coyotes for the fur, either for my own uses or to sell.  My three favorite coyote guns are  222 Rem Mag Improved 40gr NBT at 3900fps, 6x45mm 55gr BK at 3350fps and a 6x47mm Improved same 55gr BK or 60gr HP at 3500+fps.  If I were limited to a single factory cartridge it would be the 22-250.  I do own a 243, 22-250 and a 223.

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Re: best caliber for coyote hunting
« Reply #40 on: February 02, 2009, 02:41:31 PM »
I gotta stick to the 22-250 until it lets me down. It's just an all around great killing machine. 2nd vote goes to 243. Great guns with great accuracy and knock down power.

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Re: best caliber for coyote hunting
« Reply #41 on: February 02, 2009, 03:19:47 PM »
.375 RUM 8) 8) 8). JK :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Re: best caliber for coyote hunting
« Reply #42 on: February 02, 2009, 03:30:02 PM »
I will finish up the last of my new box of brass for my 22-250 reloads tonight.  500 additional rounds of 38.0 of H380 behind a 55 BT should get me by.  I don't like the 22-250 either as it just does not work as well as I want.   

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Re: best caliber for coyote hunting
« Reply #43 on: February 02, 2009, 04:03:30 PM »
One thing to keep in mind when selecting a coyote gun is definitely what you can shoot with the caliber and when you can legally hunt with it. . .

with a .22 centerfire you can hunt up to a cougar. . .no deer. . .with sub .22 centerfire you cannot shoot cougar. . .

. . .with a .22 centerfire you can hunt coyotes year round with only a small game license. . .with anything bigger than a .22 centerfire you need to have a big game license and a tag for whatever the current big game season is in order to hunt during a big game season. . .
 
. . .this and availabilitry were why I decided on a .22-250 vs. a .204 Ruger or a .243 Winchester. . .just something else to keep in mind

. . .I'm with JoshT on the 6mm/243, but I bought a .22-250 for a coyote gun. . .I will probably get a 6mm family for my next rifle though. . .
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Re: best caliber for coyote hunting
« Reply #44 on: February 02, 2009, 04:06:49 PM »
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Re: best caliber for coyote hunting
« Reply #45 on: February 02, 2009, 04:14:01 PM »
I get a kick out of polls and statements that refer to "the best".  So much depends on your criteria.  Is it pure balistics, availibility of ammo, availability of bullets, etc?  Of the guns listed I voted 223 just for the blend of performance, availability, and affortability.  As a general rule most of the 22-25 cal center fires are gonna do the job just fine.  The 22 cal stuff IMO is more versitile overall as a varmit gun (not strickly coyotes) from the sense of just not wanting to bang away w/ a 24 or 25 cals on ground squirrels.   

This one seems pretty specific to me... BEST CALIBER FOR COYOTE HUNTING. The question doesn't ask 'most economical coyote caliber' or 'best varmint/coyote caliber'... not even 'most widely distributed coyote caliber'... it implys nothing about saving fur, calling, road hunting, glassing, baiting, etc.

Why did I state .243/6mm? Because it is the best... how do I know? Hundreds of coyotes were harmed in the name of science. Emperical evidence has shown the 6mms absolutely dominate ANY of the .22 centerfires... almost no run-offs, superior down-range performance, superior trajectorys, superior projectiles, etc. If given a shot at a coyote... under nearly any field condition... I refuse to believe that anyone in their right mind would rather have a .22/250... than a .243 loaded with 55-70 grain bullets.


Would you mind providing me a link to any of these studies please. thank you.
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Re: best caliber for coyote hunting
« Reply #46 on: February 02, 2009, 05:32:28 PM »
22-250 because thats the caliber I bought for yotes. Next I'd have to break out the .300 win mag but hey I'm no expert and these are the only rifles I have. love em both :)
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Re: best caliber for coyote hunting
« Reply #47 on: February 02, 2009, 06:38:23 PM »
I believe that your "best" caliber for coyotes is whatever you shoot the most accurately.  You can shoot the biggest, fast-est, and best-est, but if you miss.....you might as well be throwing rocks and sticks.  I hunt fur and I like to call them close and use my 17 Reminton.  Itty-bitty entrance, very seldom an exit, inside is jelly.  I wish I had a 243 for coyotes though when I'm not hunting hides....
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Re: best caliber for coyote hunting
« Reply #48 on: February 02, 2009, 06:41:51 PM »
Saw a 17 Remington fireball at cabelas last time I was there.  Cool looking little round, looked like a scaled down 300 wsm.
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Re: best caliber for coyote hunting
« Reply #49 on: February 02, 2009, 07:28:24 PM »
I have both of the 17 Remingtons, I shoot 20gr bullets in the Fireball and 30gr bullets from the 17 Remington.  The Fireball is a little light for the Coyotes in WA I think, but just fine in AZ.  Larry

 



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