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Idaho ram
« on: September 03, 2016, 08:56:49 PM »

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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2016, 08:58:50 PM »



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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2016, 09:14:25 PM »
Damn nice ram. I got several pics of the same guy with some dandy Dayton bulls...
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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2016, 09:24:46 PM »
We have taken dozens of pics of this ram over the years . He was a stud for sure.


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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2016, 09:48:16 PM »
WOW What a ram.
Did he have a collar and ear tag?

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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2016, 09:52:06 PM »
Yes on both questions . This ram was well known on the snake river with the jet boater and river rafters.


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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2016, 09:55:17 PM »
Wow.
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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2016, 10:58:12 PM »
 :yike: That's a monster ram :drool:
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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2016, 11:02:25 PM »
 World class ram.
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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2016, 09:46:37 AM »
I don't suppose anyone has any measurements on this ram?  Very impressive
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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2016, 06:28:15 PM »
Closed unit but open to a "native".  Was the ram taken legally?

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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2016, 07:14:12 PM »
Closed unit but open to a "native".  Was the ram taken legally?

What's " legally"???
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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2016, 07:17:07 PM »
I'm a native...  Could I have put in for this hunt?

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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2016, 08:07:00 PM »
Amazing animal. Hopefully his offspring grow up to look just like him.
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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2016, 08:12:17 PM »
Closed unit but open to a "native".  Was the ram taken legally?

What's " legally"???

U really don't know do you  :chuckle:

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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2016, 08:59:38 PM »
 :yike: holy cow that is one heck of a ram!
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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2016, 10:17:51 PM »
Nothing like shared harvest in "common" with the people

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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2016, 10:59:12 AM »
This guy kills big bulls in the blues and sells the antlers, he also kills rams and sells those to.  The tribes don't do anything to their members that abuse the system, damn sickening.  The courts are a joke, even though they can't stop this a hole from killing all he wants, they should be able to lock him up for selling what he kills.  I know it's legal to sell you antlers but this guy takes it to a different level.  This Gary guy should be in jail.
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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2016, 11:17:05 AM »
This guy kills big bulls in the blues and sells the antlers, he also kills rams and sells those to.  The tribes don't do anything to their members that abuse the system, damn sickening.  The courts are a joke, even though they can't stop this a hole from killing all he wants, they should be able to lock him up for selling what he kills.  I know it's legal to sell you antlers but this guy takes it to a different level.  This Gary guy should be in jail.

Pretty disgusting they consider that traditional. Stewards of the land my ass. Rape and pillage...

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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2016, 11:26:37 AM »
This guy kills big bulls in the blues and sells the antlers, he also kills rams and sells those to.  The tribes don't do anything to their members that abuse the system, damn sickening.  The courts are a joke, even though they can't stop this a hole from killing all he wants, they should be able to lock him up for selling what he kills.  I know it's legal to sell you antlers but this guy takes it to a different level.  This Gary guy should be in jail.

Pretty disgusting they consider that traditional. Stewards of the land my ass. Rape and pillage...
It's guys like him that keep the hatred going between us, his tribe is to blame for doing nothing.  I wish someone would post all his huge bulls that he kills in the blues, in the mean time some of us wait for 20+ years to draw a tag there. 
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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2016, 01:00:27 PM »
"I" don't consider this traditional, but hey, not like anybody differentiates on here anyways so carry on folks.
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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2016, 01:26:24 PM »
TALK ABOUT CURL  :yike: I WONDER WHAT PRODUCTS HE USED TO GET SUCH A CURL REVLON, OR MARY KAY ETC..?  :chuckle:

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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2016, 01:27:08 PM »
"I" don't consider this traditional, but hey, not like anybody differentiates on here anyways so carry on folks.

Why is it legal then if it's not traditional? 350 million people and a handful have the "right" to carry on like this guy. Unacceptable.

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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2016, 02:28:48 PM »
It's legal because we have the reserved rights guaranteed by our Treaties. I dont support the abuse and exploitation but  it doesnt mean im going to look the other way when others throw us all under the bus because of a few without moral or ethical aspects of hunting and fishing.

i certainly dont blame all black people for the BLM movement, all whites for KKK or Aryan idealisms, Mexicans for the gang/narco culture or Italians for the mafia.

But what do I know...

my piece of paper is nearly as old as everyone else's piece of paper, but I guess mine is worth nothing and should be burnt, tore up and shredded.
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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2016, 02:41:43 PM »
I dont support the abuse and exploitation

 Maybe not, but I've not ever seen you condemn it, there is a difference. :twocents:

it doesnt mean im going to look the other way when others throw us all under the bus.

 Wrong is wrong, but only if people stop labeling all Indians as unethical? :dunno:

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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2016, 02:49:29 PM »
It's legal because we have the reserved rights guaranteed by our Treaties. I dont support the abuse and exploitation but  it doesnt mean im going to look the other way when others throw us all under the bus because of a few without moral or ethical aspects of hunting and fishing.

i certainly dont blame all black people for the BLM movement, all whites for KKK or Aryan idealisms, Mexicans for the gang/narco culture or Italians for the mafia.

But what do I know...

my piece of paper is nearly as old as everyone else's piece of paper, but I guess mine is worth nothing and should be burnt, tore up and shredded.
Plat, I hope you know I respect your values and I wish you were able to pass on your beliefs on hunting to the rest of your tribe.  BUT, your piece of paper should be burned, if we are ever to be on the same level, equal men, that piece of paper you hold has to go away.  The constitution is the only piece of paper that makes us equal, period, and until the tribes quit using that treaty against us, there will always be hate.  We will never be equal until we ALL play by the same rules.  Take care Plat
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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2016, 03:21:35 PM »
It's legal because we have the reserved rights guaranteed by our Treaties. I dont support the abuse and exploitation but  it doesnt mean im going to look the other way when others throw us all under the bus because of a few without moral or ethical aspects of hunting and fishing.

i certainly dont blame all black people for the BLM movement, all whites for KKK or Aryan idealisms, Mexicans for the gang/narco culture or Italians for the mafia.

But what do I know...

my piece of paper is nearly as old as everyone else's piece of paper, but I guess mine is worth nothing and should be burnt, tore up and shredded.
Plat, I hope you know I respect your values and I wish you were able to pass on your beliefs on hunting to the rest of your tribe.  BUT, your piece of paper should be burned, if we are ever to be on the same level, equal men, that piece of paper you hold has to go away.  The constitution is the only piece of paper that makes us equal, period, and until the tribes quit using that treaty against us, there will always be hate.  We will never be equal until we ALL play by the same rules.  Take care Plat
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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2016, 06:27:49 PM »
It's legal because we have the reserved rights guaranteed by our Treaties. I dont support the abuse and exploitation but  it doesnt mean im going to look the other way when others throw us all under the bus because of a few without moral or ethical aspects of hunting and fishing.

i certainly dont blame all black people for the BLM movement, all whites for KKK or Aryan idealisms, Mexicans for the gang/narco culture or Italians for the mafia.

But what do I know...

my piece of paper is nearly as old as everyone else's piece of paper, but I guess mine is worth nothing and should be burnt, tore up and shredded.
Plat, I hope you know I respect your values and I wish you were able to pass on your beliefs on hunting to the rest of your tribe.  BUT, your piece of paper should be burned, if we are ever to be on the same level, equal men, that piece of paper you hold has to go away.  The constitution is the only piece of paper that makes us equal, period, and until the tribes quit using that treaty against us, there will always be hate.  We will never be equal until we ALL play by the same rules.  Take care Plat
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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2016, 07:15:01 PM »
I feel the same way.

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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2016, 07:18:11 PM »
I dont support the abuse and exploitation

 Maybe not, but I've not ever seen you condemn it, there is a difference. :twocents:

it doesnt mean im going to look the other way when others throw us all under the bus.

 Wrong is wrong, but only if people stop labeling all Indians as unethical? :dunno:

when have I not condemned it? I've never supported anyone that abuses our rights. When is the last time anybody went in person to the lawmakers to complain and show proof of such? I have and it has made me a black sheep in some circles. whether right or wrong i stand by my beliefs, my values and word.

i dont ask for the declaration to be burnt or shredded. I dont ask for the constitution to be burnt or tore up just because a small handful of law breakers tarnish it. A comparable action would be some of you going to senators or representatives and demanding they change things now because of a small populations is doing something legal though not entirely ethical.

Anybody sat in front of senators or representatives? I have, state, US and my own Leaders. Trying to do something is better than sitting around a computer crying and complaining and doing nothing but what do I know, carry on...
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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #30 on: September 05, 2016, 07:31:35 PM »
I dont support the abuse and exploitation

 Maybe not, but I've not ever seen you condemn it, there is a difference. :twocents:

it doesnt mean im going to look the other way when others throw us all under the bus.

 Wrong is wrong, but only if people stop labeling all Indians as unethical? :dunno:
when have I not condemned it?

 Have you? I've missed it if you have. :sry:

I dont support the abuse and exploitation

 Maybe not, but I've not ever seen you condemn it, there is a difference. :twocents:

it doesnt mean im going to look the other way when others throw us all under the bus.

 Wrong is wrong, but only if people stop labeling all Indians as unethical? :dunno:
I've never supported anyone that abuses our rights.

 But have you ever come out and said "this is wrong and it's got to stop"? :dunno:

 As I said, there is a distinct difference between condemning it, and simply "not supporting" it. :twocents:
 
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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2016, 07:40:40 PM »
No matter what anyone thinks or says it's time we'll all start hunting, and fishing by the same rules.  It will also be easier to enforce the laws when it happens.  Period.  No one can argue diff. There is no need for natives to hunt the way the tribe sets rules now days.
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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #32 on: September 06, 2016, 12:18:38 PM »
It's not the piece of paper I have issue with.  It's the court that gave their personal interpretation of that piece of paper that I disagree with.

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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #33 on: September 06, 2016, 12:22:35 PM »
This guy kills big bulls in the blues and sells the antlers, he also kills rams and sells those to.  The tribes don't do anything to their members that abuse the system, damn sickening.  The courts are a joke, even though they can't stop this a hole from killing all he wants, they should be able to lock him up for selling what he kills.  I know it's legal to sell you antlers but this guy takes it to a different level.  This Gary guy should be in jail.

Pretty disgusting they consider that traditional. Stewards of the land my ass. Rape and pillage...

 :yeah:

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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #34 on: September 06, 2016, 12:59:57 PM »
Man's greed will eventually ruin it for all.

It just so happens this man has no problem fueling his greed with the blood and bone of other mammals.

Not all that different than most on here.

The funniest part is where the white man thought he was screwing the natives over by signing the treaty's in the first place. Guess that pre-nump didn't stand up so well in court and it turns out momma got the farm in this case.






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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #35 on: September 06, 2016, 01:05:37 PM »
I dont support the abuse and exploitation

 Maybe not, but I've not ever seen you condemn it, there is a difference. :twocents:

it doesnt mean im going to look the other way when others throw us all under the bus.

 Wrong is wrong, but only if people stop labeling all Indians as unethical? :dunno:
when have I not condemned it?

 Have you? I've missed it if you have. :sry:

I dont support the abuse and exploitation

 Maybe not, but I've not ever seen you condemn it, there is a difference. :twocents:

it doesnt mean im going to look the other way when others throw us all under the bus.

 Wrong is wrong, but only if people stop labeling all Indians as unethical? :dunno:
I've never supported anyone that abuses our rights.

 But have you ever come out and said "this is wrong and it's got to stop"? :dunno:

 As I said, there is a distinct difference between condemning it, and simply "not supporting" it. :twocents:
 

For whatever it's worth, I know for a fact, through conversations with him, that Plat has gone to the tribal leaders and spoke out about the issues they have within the tribe in regard to hunting and the exploitation of the rights by a few within the tribe.
 
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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #36 on: September 06, 2016, 01:25:32 PM »
Couple of things.

It's only a few that are abusing the treaties.

My guess is there are more non natives poaching and decreasing the herds than natives abusing the rights.

Right now non natives are pissed about the treaties and the interpretation.  If you burn the paper then the natives are pissed and really did get the shaft when the settlers arrived.

A negotiation would be great but the natives already negotiated once and from what I have seen they didn't get much of a deal for all they gave up and had taken away.

The real solution is for the tribes themselves to police these abuses.

If the tribes can figure that out maybe they could give us a lesson so we can handle non native poachers like in Bonapart from Operation Cody.  That guy slaughtered just as many animals and got no punishment.

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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #37 on: September 06, 2016, 02:14:26 PM »

The real solution is for the tribes themselves to police these abuses.

If the tribes can figure that out maybe they could give us a lesson so we can handle non native poachers like in Bonapart from Operation Cody.  That guy slaughtered just as many animals and got no punishment.

Just sayin'

There are Indians who abuse their hunting rights. and some who poach.
There are non Natives that also poach, and abuse rights ( party hunting, filling tags for others etc )
( This is how I see it. )

I don't agree with those who do it.  I don't believe Plat agrees either.   So seems like we are on the same side, not sure why people want to pick a fight here?

If we can figure out how to fix the non-native poaching issues then we can get on our high horse and show them how to fix native hunting issues.

and to quote Plat
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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #38 on: September 06, 2016, 05:20:20 PM »
I dont support the abuse and exploitation

 Maybe not, but I've not ever seen you condemn it, there is a difference. :twocents:

it doesnt mean im going to look the other way when others throw us all under the bus.

 Wrong is wrong, but only if people stop labeling all Indians as unethical? :dunno:
when have I not condemned it?

 Have you? I've missed it if you have. :sry:

I dont support the abuse and exploitation

 Maybe not, but I've not ever seen you condemn it, there is a difference. :twocents:

it doesnt mean im going to look the other way when others throw us all under the bus.

 Wrong is wrong, but only if people stop labeling all Indians as unethical? :dunno:
I've never supported anyone that abuses our rights.

 But have you ever come out and said "this is wrong and it's got to stop"? :dunno:

 As I said, there is a distinct difference between condemning it, and simply "not supporting" it. :twocents:
 

For whatever it's worth, I know for a fact, through conversations with him, that Plat has gone to the tribal leaders and spoke out about the issues they have within the tribe in regard to hunting and the exploitation of the rights by a few within the tribe.

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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #39 on: September 06, 2016, 05:57:46 PM »
I don't have a problem If the tribes want to hunt all year long and harvest as many animals as they want, let them do it on their reservation lands. Off the reservation they should have to follow all the laws we have to follow and buy a license like the rest of us.

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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #40 on: September 06, 2016, 06:55:25 PM »
Couple of things.

It's only a few that are abusing the treaties.

My guess is there are more non natives poaching and decreasing the herds than natives abusing the rights.

Right now non natives are pissed about the treaties and the interpretation.  If you burn the paper then the natives are pissed and really did get the shaft when the settlers arrived.

A negotiation would be great but the natives already negotiated once and from what I have seen they didn't get much of a deal for all they gave up and had taken away.

The real solution is for the tribes themselves to police these abuses.

If the tribes can figure that out maybe they could give us a lesson so we can handle non native poachers like in Bonapart from Operation Cody.  That guy slaughtered just as many animals and got no punishment.

Just sayin'
and who were the major supplier of deer and elk, weekly supplies-  the yakamas!  The non native poachers do get caught and do pay penalties, how many natives are punished when they break their own tribal laws, like selling meat!  As far as the Indians getting screwed a couple hundred years ago, hmm, we didn't have to stop the war, we didn't have to bargain for anything.  We chose to give them a treaty for their own good and for their own survival.  Yes, we did screw up big time, we should have had no treaty to offer.  The natives should have not been given any promises, just conform or we continue the war.  And to make it clear, like I already said, I respect Plat for the actions he has taken to try and change things within his tribe.  I've also seen the proof what he's done.  We need more like him.
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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #41 on: September 06, 2016, 07:48:50 PM »
The major suppliers were both yakamas and the muckleshoots. The difference between tribal poachers and non tribal poaching is 1 risks prosecution the other risk gas money. I have yet to see a non tribal poacher drive down the highway with multiple bucks and bulls in the back of their truck in broad daylight, only to return again the next day to hopefully repeat.

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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #42 on: September 06, 2016, 07:56:50 PM »
Prior to our state managing for spike only the tribe never bothered to hunt off their reservation. But the greed of antlers and money has created some monsters!
  I 100% agree with an earlier post allowing off reservation hunting only under wdfw rules.  Heck, they can hunt any bulls as long as they do it during our season only. These "hunters" wouldn't be quite as successful with their road hunting if they don't get to drive through our winter range in December.
   This is not only my opinion, but 1st hand witness for many years, disgusting.

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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #43 on: September 07, 2016, 07:58:34 AM »
Prior to our state managing for spike only the tribe never bothered to hunt off their reservation. But the greed of antlers and money has created some monsters!
  I 100% agree with an earlier post allowing off reservation hunting only under wdfw rules.  Heck, they can hunt any bulls as long as they do it during our season only. These "hunters" wouldn't be quite as successful with their road hunting if they don't get to drive through our winter range in December.
   This is not only my opinion, but 1st hand witness for many years, disgusting.

The same goes on west of the Cascades as well.

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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #44 on: September 13, 2016, 10:59:01 PM »
prolly the same POS that was catching sturgeon down there and keeping them " cause they can"  :rolleyes:

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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #45 on: September 14, 2016, 10:29:28 AM »
This situation is not heartwarming but....

It's my experience that white guys, Hispanics, and Russians do a lot more poaching than all the NDN's combined.

Plat is a good man and it takes balls for him to say anything, to either side.  I've never met him personally but he's welcome in my camp anytime.  :tup:
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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #46 on: September 20, 2016, 07:47:40 PM »
WDFW scum keep saying the bull ratio on the colockum is having trouble coming up!!  Do you think, when the NDN's kill as many big bulls as they want.  On the reserve, they just go a killin!

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Re: Idaho ram
« Reply #47 on: September 20, 2016, 08:03:30 PM »
WDFW scum keep saying the bull ratio on the colockum is having trouble coming up!!  Do you think, when the NDN's kill as many big bulls as they want.  On the reserve, they just go a killin!

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