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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #150 on: October 27, 2016, 09:56:13 PM »
Are you calling that deer huge?

Huge? Maybe not but he's not small.
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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #151 on: November 04, 2016, 05:53:23 PM »
A lot of the problem is ethics.
The game agent told us he took a 3 pt from a guy,shooting across a paved road at a deer standing on private property,while on lookers were yelling for the guy to stop.

Another guy ,on his honeymoon shot a deer standing on a sidewalk in either Twisp or Winthrop.

These kind of people should loose their hunting for years.

As far as predators , I am Not sure I buy that any more. 
I heard wolves in Nile, Never in the Methow, and I spend 20-30 days there every year in a tent.

I think it's a people problem.

I did not hunt the Methow this year, 1st time I have not in 50 years. Just figured it would be a little bigger circus than usual and from what I heard from a few buddies that were there, it sure was. I agree with your statement about ethics Ghost, the last few years I or my pardners have witnessed or heard from honest people about some real shamefull hunting techniques,alot of them envolving adults with there kids with them. I have witnessed an adult shooting 2 does then having the 2 kids that was with him tag them, I have seen people shoot from paved roads with kids with them, I have seen people shoot from inside a vehicle, with a youngster with them a half hour before shooting time! I have witnessed 4 teenagers blazing away at a buck from a paved road with a NO HUNTING sign 3 feet from them.  I will say there have always been "bad apples" but I can say the last 10 years have been an uptic. So Ghost, I agree that a lot of deer are being taken illegally, a lot are being left out there because of mistakes and I agree with you that a lot of these people should loose their hunting for a long time. What worries me most is what some of these "adults" are teaching our future hunters. Thank you all that teach your young ones to respect other hunters, property and the animals they are hunting. I had my 2 granddaughters with me this year, 10 and 12 years old, we hunted a little farther east this year and the 3 of us put on 2 to 7 miles a day. We seen a lot of deer, had a couple opportunities at a couple dandy bucks but they were "A LITTLE TO FAR AWAY PAPA, I DONT WANT TO WOUND IT", the bucks were about 250 yards away, one was a real dandy, about a 26-27 inch 4 by 6. She felt comfortable at around 100 to 150 yrds and PAPA wasn't shootin it for her :chuckle:

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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #152 on: November 04, 2016, 05:57:38 PM »
I'm glad you had a good season.  I just got back from the Methow.   Worst photo trip I have ever had.  By the way, if it wasn't for three point or better, you wouldn't have any surviving bucks.   Seriously the worst I have seen. It's criminal what they have done.
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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #153 on: November 04, 2016, 07:06:40 PM »
I'm glad you had a good season.  I just got back from the Methow.   Worst photo trip I have ever had.  By the way, if it wasn't for three point or better, you wouldn't have any surviving bucks.   Seriously the worst I have seen. It's criminal what they have done.

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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #154 on: November 04, 2016, 07:21:00 PM »
Quote
In 1983 (or so) the rule changed to "three point or better).

It was many years beyond '83. I don't keep the old regs but I would guess it was more like mid to late '90s.
Somebody reading this would know.....
well - cough it up guys....
OK, I'm reduced to making popcorn and waiting for the answer..... :hello:
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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #155 on: November 04, 2016, 07:36:22 PM »
Certain methow units were in the early 80s, well before the rest of the areas went. 
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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #156 on: November 04, 2016, 08:18:52 PM »
Gardener was the first in that area

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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #157 on: November 04, 2016, 08:53:31 PM »
I'm glad you had a good season.  I just got back from the Methow.   Worst photo trip I have ever had.  By the way, if it wasn't for three point or better, you wouldn't have any surviving bucks.   Seriously the worst I have seen. It's criminal what they have done.

I agree bone, its a real shame.  That once mighty herd is a mere shadow of what some of us remember, as far as the 3 point or better, you are spot on.

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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #158 on: November 04, 2016, 09:00:17 PM »
Wasn't the winter kill of.96-97, caused the.switch to 3 point or.better in a lot of GMU's?

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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #159 on: November 04, 2016, 10:01:03 PM »
A few questions from a guy that doesn't ever hunt far from the coast.
I read here the population is down but seems like a lot of complaint about size of bucks. Are their actually barren does around? Not enough bucks to service the does?
If the answer is no how does this have any effect on the population?
If it was any buck do you think this would lead to barren does?
It seems like some here are complaining because they are not seeing bruisers.
Does the average hunter want to just be successful or are they willing to forgo hunting to improve their chance of getting that bruiser?

I know where I hunt the deer are few and far between and it has nothing to do with hunters. Is it possible your problems are not hunters?

 Is it just a problem of too many west side guys coming over? If it is maybe the answer to your problem is predator management on the west side because I know that is the problem in my area. I know some guys that go east and then show back up after mulies close.
Oh and I heard several times doe tags. How do doe tags square with trying to increase the population?
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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #160 on: November 04, 2016, 10:10:39 PM »
I spent yesterday out.  I counted 4 bucks. I average 50.  most doe were not covered.  Doe themselves were way down in count. There were other indicators I wasn't just having an off day. :dunno:
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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #161 on: November 05, 2016, 07:55:27 AM »
It's criminal what they have done.
I'm not super familiar with the herd there; what have they done to cause the decline?

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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #162 on: November 05, 2016, 08:14:08 AM »
Predator management, tag allocation numbers, antlerless harvest, season dates, ignorance of herd decline
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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #163 on: November 05, 2016, 09:28:59 AM »
Special tags, whether any buck, doe etc. should be managed around the actual status of a species regardless of user group,expectations. I don't think people would quit hunting if tags were scaled back in an area that's been hit by fires, winter kill or even a harvest that's out of proportion to the norm like last year seemed to be. I'd even go so far as to suggest modifying or even closing a particular area to allow recovery to a healthy population. It seems to me it really wouldn't take that long to help,fix the problem if everyone would be willing to stand down for a while. Long term it makes it better for everyone  :twocents:

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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #164 on: November 05, 2016, 11:56:24 AM »
Predator management, tag allocation numbers, antlerless harvest, season dates, ignorance of herd decline

There you go, in a nutshell. A handful of reasons, in my opinion the 1st and the last are the big ones although everyone of them are contributors..... :twocents:

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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #165 on: November 05, 2016, 11:59:36 AM »
Predator management, tag allocation numbers, antlerless harvest, season dates, ignorance of herd decline

There you go, in a nutshell. A handful of reasons, in my opinion the 1st and the last are the big ones although everyone of them are contributors..... :twocents:

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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #166 on: November 05, 2016, 08:33:34 PM »
I spent yesterday out.  I counted 4 bucks. I average 50.  most doe were not covered.  Doe themselves were way down in count. There were other indicators I wasn't just having an off day. :dunno:

You should come to my neck of the woods. Four deer in a day let alone bucks would be a stellar day. I saw 10 deer in 7 days of hard hunting.
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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #167 on: November 05, 2016, 11:15:20 PM »
A bio that's been drinking the magic kool aid for to long.  Number 1 reason

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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #168 on: November 06, 2016, 09:48:35 AM »
Tag allocation numbers...like an unlimited general season for archery, muzzy and rifle...in most units.

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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #169 on: August 10, 2017, 09:48:28 AM »
I think it's slop hunting, and is despicable, but NOT what is hurting the deer population in the Methow.   If there wasn't three point or better, the herd would be done!  Stick a fork in it. Done!    It's the only thing keeping a few deer alive.   A year like this year with essentially most of the upper age bucks harvested, and nothing but younger deer, and an over abundance of hunters.   There would be nothing to rebuild
Yep- the 3 pt rule is not the problem, people shooting illegal bucks is the problem.  people need to dentify their target.

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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #170 on: August 11, 2017, 07:06:40 PM »
Seeing how mature mule deer bucks are the best for breeding does, maybe no rut permit hunts should occur in some of these areas where numbers are way down.  That might help keep some of the big boys around to spread their genes and have the most success in breeding and fawn survival.  Maybe no doe seasons should occur until the deer numbers go up?   :dunno:

It all depends on what hunters are willing to live with and what WDFW is willing to lose on license revenue.  I suspect the majority of hunters aren't willing to make changes and WDFW doesn't want to lose license revenue.   :'(


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I enjoy being able to hunt deer every year... the killing a deer every year part is just a bonus, so at 1st thought I was not liking the odd/even every other year thing.  BUT I think I could get on board with every other year mulie hunting if the same was done for elk hunting.
This way a guy gets to hunt every single year and it would benefit both the mulies and the elk.

The question is, If mulie hunting is reduced/limited, how will this effect the blackie & whitey hunting? Seems these species would get hit a lot harder.  :dunno:

I realize how old this thread is but it popped back up and I find it to be interesting, if not relevant. I think that limited Mulie hunting would be worse for white tails than blacktails. There really aren't too many "bad blacktail hunters". The bad blacktail hunters are the ones that get nothing, not the ones who blast away at them on a hillside. I believe blacktails are the most resilient species and the hardest to hunt. If we just made everyone that blasted unethically at mulies on a hill hunt blacktail for 5 years, we'd end up with a lot more quality hunters.  :twocents:
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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #171 on: August 11, 2017, 09:17:02 PM »
Those Canadian genes are filtering into 101.  I started to see spikes that had large racks. Same with 2 points. The 3 and 4 points had heavy racks.
A few years earlier, the racks were much smaller. Yes you have to be careful when you see a big rack. 
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