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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2016, 12:40:58 PM »
Tony, that was meant with sarcasm.  Sorry didn't come across that way.
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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2016, 12:44:04 PM »
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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2016, 12:45:19 PM »
Mule deer should be by permit only to limit the hunting pressure, and any buck should be legal. IMO

I would support this as long as they have out a reasonable number of permits and by that I mean you should be able to have a buck tag every few years.

I'd say there should be enough tags issued so that people draw at least every other year, on average.

Another option would be OTC tags with a quota per region, or GMU.

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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #28 on: October 26, 2016, 12:52:15 PM »
Shoot spikes general season and permit only for any branched antlered buck.  Will cut down on pressure because nobody wants to hunt for spikes but kids, right?  and you could control how many mature bucks were killed each year.  Works for elk, not sure if it would work for deer.

I know a lot of adults who meat hunt who would drop a spike mulie at the drop of a hat!  Opening morning would sound like a war if it were spike only.
Really? I don't see that many spike mule deer, generally 2 points. 
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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #29 on: October 26, 2016, 12:55:25 PM »
Beings we are.throwing ideas out there.
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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2016, 12:58:52 PM »
I agree with the quota idea, that limit's the number of hunter's and can be changed easily from year to year. You stop in at your local sporting goods store, they look on the comp, sorry charlie it says all those tags are sold for the year, or yep, looks like there are 43 more tags, want one? They could even do this with 2 point permit's. It's so easy yet the Dept can't seem to get it done in any logical way...

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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2016, 12:58:59 PM »
I hope the mods delete this thread before the fish and game sees this.

They may  make eastern Washington true spike only for mule deer :chuckle:

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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2016, 01:06:17 PM »
Look what's on the Fish and Wildlife Commissioners agenda for their meeting on November 4th:




http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings/2016/11/agenda_nov0416.html

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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2016, 01:08:49 PM »
How bout we bring back hounds for cougar and bear!!!  It has been proven to increase deer and elk numbers in Oregon.  Don't overlook the obvious. 

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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2016, 01:10:05 PM »
We saw some this year that were 2x2s on a 4x4 frame!  They were huge.
You'd think if piss cutters were being shot and left a huge rack running through the woods would take a bullet even faster.
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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #35 on: October 26, 2016, 01:12:30 PM »
Of course the other option would be a requirement to choose east or west deer tags like it is with elk.

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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2016, 01:14:45 PM »
It should be any buck for youth and over 65. IMHO. I would love to see some kid kill one of these 30"plus Snake River slick 2 pts.
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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2016, 01:27:17 PM »
There are some great posts in here and I love the conversation but I am still shocked to hear of SEVEN illegal deer heads in the back of the truck.  :yike:  Good golly, what are people doing out there?!  :bash:  How many more are laying in the woods that people just walked away from when they realized they made a mistake?
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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2016, 01:42:11 PM »
There are some great posts in here and I love the conversation but I am still shocked to hear of SEVEN illegal deer heads in the back of the truck.  :yike:  Good golly, what are people doing out there?!  :bash:  How many more are laying in the woods that people just walked away from when they realized they made a mistake?

Probably a lot. That's why I stopped hunting over there. Bullets flying everywhere.

I think part of the problem is social media. A couple 200" deer hit the ground and everyone that has never hunted over there thinks that's the norm.  The mass influx of hunters is crazy. The herd cant sustain  that type of pressure. It would be nice to see like 100-200 any buck permits in those muley gmu's. Reduce the pressure, get rid of some of the two points and try and put the quality back in the hunt.

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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #39 on: October 26, 2016, 01:42:27 PM »
There are some great posts in here and I love the conversation but I am still shocked to hear of SEVEN illegal deer heads in the back of the truck.  :yike:  Good golly, what are people doing out there?!  :bash:  How many more are laying in the woods that people just walked away from when they realized they made a mistake?
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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2016, 01:46:21 PM »
Should be 4pt mim,in some gmu along with whitetail ,the regs  are wrote to make money,not help wildlife :twocents:

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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #41 on: October 26, 2016, 01:49:53 PM »
Think how much money would disappear just in license sales....

Even odd wild Id,  Zero rut permits and zero antlerless permits.   5 year plan until herd recovers.


I wonder if the wolves bring in enough to recoup that.    Yeah right!
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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #42 on: October 26, 2016, 01:53:00 PM »
Looking long term, what happens to those towns if the herd is decimated.  Seems wiser to reduce the opportunity now to save the future. I don't see how those deer can sustain to many more "general" seasons.

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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #43 on: October 26, 2016, 01:57:03 PM »
4pt mim coulnd also help units with a lot of mule deer, how many mature deer get harvested in two-three years? do you think taking a bunch of two points now is gonna help.

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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2016, 02:04:19 PM »
Think how much money would disappear just in license sales....

Even odd wild Id,  Zero rut permits and zero antlerless permits.   5 year plan until herd recovers.


I wonder if the wolves bring in enough to recoup that.    Yeah right!
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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #45 on: October 26, 2016, 02:07:44 PM »
Mule deer should be by permit only to limit the hunting pressure, and any buck should be legal. IMO

I would support this as long as they have out a reasonable number of permits and by that I mean you should be able to have a buck tag every few years.

I'd say there should be enough tags issued so that people draw at least every other year, on average.

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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #46 on: October 26, 2016, 02:10:47 PM »
Maybe the super 2 point tag should bounce around each year to other units instead of staying in Harrington and Roosevelt. Even then the purpose is to harvest older age class bucks not just the first dink 2 point a guy comes across. I don't think most hunters have the maturity to only shoot mature bucks.

Throw it in the "quality" deer category, Nov. 1-30 season, create a Washington State Record category for 2 points, I seriously doubt you will see anyone apply for it just to shoot a forkin horn.

 
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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #47 on: October 26, 2016, 03:35:24 PM »
We saw some this year that were 2x2s on a 4x4 frame!  They were huge.

My son shot a bruiser 2x3 Monday afternoon way up high on Ramsey. He was all rutted out, and bigger than some of the 4 points I saw taken in the area last week.
When I say 2x3, I mean barely 3. He was sure when he took the shot, but got a bit of a scare when he walked up on it, even though it was a huge body.
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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #48 on: October 26, 2016, 03:58:26 PM »
There is one particular area I know that is clearly turning into a large 2pt buck area.  There are 3 that are 24" not legal bucks.  Over time one will grow a crab claw and get killed but I'd love to see a few of them removed.

I have no sympathy for someone paying the price for "guessing" that they were legal.   :bash:
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Re: Is 3 pt RULE HURTING MULE DEER POPULATIONS?
« Reply #49 on: October 26, 2016, 04:06:48 PM »
I like that idea, to have a permit draw to allow someone to shoot a 2 pt.   :tup:
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