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Re: Is this bull legal in a spike only unit?
« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2016, 06:32:09 AM »
I'm with Bob33. Looks to be farther than 4" from the base. No way would I take that chance. I have been in a few similar spots and have passed every time. A couple were probably legal but by passing I assured my ability to continue to hunt this state

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Re: Is this bull legal in a spike only unit?
« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2016, 06:55:24 AM »
I'm with Bob33. Looks to be farther than 4" from the base. No way would I take that chance. I have been in a few similar spots and have passed every time. A couple were probably legal but by passing I assured my ability to continue to hunt this state

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I believe bob was referring to guys not being able to measure. I'm pretty sure he thinks it's legal.


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Re: Is this bull legal in a spike only unit?
« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2016, 07:19:03 AM »
Shoot it just don't port a pic on here  :twocents:  :chuckle: :chuckle:

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Re: Is this bull legal in a spike only unit?
« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2016, 07:23:03 AM »
Lotta mass on the bases of that bull which makes me cautious about eyeballing four inches, plus his head and body are BIG which can throw off eye, ear and nose comparisons.  But the big question is how to measure. 

"Originates four inches from... " depends on how it is measured and how they define "originates".  Is the correct legal measurement four inches from base to closest lower side of the eyeguard or is it 4 inches to the middle of the eyeguard base or does the entire base of the eyeguard have to be within 4 inches of the base?  I presume the regs are talking official B&C scoring measurement rules about measuring side points off a main beam but that still leaves it fuzzy to me as to definition of where to precisely measure the "origination".  A post giving the legal definition of originates would be helpful here.

I let a bull walk once that I was and am sure was legal but it was too close to bet a hunting infraction against my ability to eyeball inches. Part of my caution was being with a partner who eyeballed one wrong and killed a marginally illegal bull years ago.  Once in awhile we can't be sure till we put a tape measure on the antlers.  That said, if I was sure it was legal I'd love to tag a bull like this one!



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Re: Is this bull legal in a spike only unit?
« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2016, 07:30:37 AM »
Take him, no way could you fit a 2x4 between the base of that tine and the pedicle
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Re: Is this bull legal in a spike only unit?
« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2016, 07:50:22 AM »
Yep, I had a bull like this at 30 yards years ago, didn't know the rule and watched it walk away only to find out I could have legally arrowhead him.

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Re: Is this bull legal in a spike only unit?
« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2016, 08:23:54 AM »
As long as it originates under the ear enough it's good right?  "True spike unit"=illegal "spike unit" legal

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Re: Is this bull legal in a spike only unit?
« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2016, 08:39:16 AM »
As long as it originates under the ear enough it's good right?  "True spike unit"=illegal "spike unit" legal
The ear has nothing to do with its legality.
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Re: Is this bull legal in a spike only unit?
« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2016, 08:40:54 AM »
You're grasping at straws lefthook. 100% legal bull. Pass if you want, no way I would though

I would say letting an animal live is about as far away from grasping at straws as there is.

With your logic, every animal I have passed on was a straw game.

My decision to kill something I am comfortable with has to do with ethics and my personal approach to hunting. I'll let it walk, someone else can kill it.

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Re: Is this bull legal in a spike only unit?
« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2016, 09:08:53 AM »
By the regs that should be a legal bull

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Re: Is this bull legal in a spike only unit?
« Reply #35 on: December 04, 2016, 09:11:37 AM »
You should be eating that bad boy by now.  :twocents:
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Re: Is this bull legal in a spike only unit?
« Reply #36 on: December 04, 2016, 09:17:21 AM »
Two scenarios at play here for me. If I am in my stand and this guy walks out for my first sighting of him, i let him walk just because of the unknown. In this situation where there are trail cam pictures that I can closely examine, that is a dead bull.  :twocents:
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Re: Is this bull legal in a spike only unit?
« Reply #37 on: December 04, 2016, 09:23:19 AM »
You're grasping at straws lefthook. 100% legal bull. Pass if you want, no way I would though

I would say letting an animal live is about as far away from grasping at straws as there is.

With your logic, every animal I have passed on was a straw game.

My decision to kill something I am comfortable with has to do with ethics and my personal approach to hunting. I'll let it walk, someone else can kill it.

So now it's ethics. That's good because your first post on the subject was factually incorrect.
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Re: Is this bull legal in a spike only unit?
« Reply #38 on: December 04, 2016, 09:23:44 AM »
I know it has been refuted via other pics, but in that pic it sure looks like a tine at the top of that right antler. Based on that, gotta go with no.
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Re: Is this bull legal in a spike only unit?
« Reply #39 on: December 04, 2016, 09:28:38 AM »
Is it dead yet Bob?????????? :drool:
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Re: Is this bull legal in a spike only unit?
« Reply #40 on: December 04, 2016, 09:30:31 AM »
Funny some of you guys saying don't shoot wouldn't blink an eye at shooting  2x2 muley with a 3/4" eyeguard  :dunno:
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Re: Is this bull legal in a spike only unit?
« Reply #41 on: December 04, 2016, 09:31:25 AM »
Funny some of you guys saying don't shoot wouldn't blink an eye at shooting  2x2 muley with a 3/4" eyeguard  :dunno:

That's funny!  :chuckle:
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Re: Is this bull legal in a spike only unit?
« Reply #42 on: December 04, 2016, 09:36:07 AM »
Legal ONLY if shot with an AR, if chambered in 6.5 caliber,and if, only if, the distance is greater then 400 yards. In that case, yes, drt👍


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Re: Is this bull legal in a spike only unit?
« Reply #43 on: December 04, 2016, 09:38:49 AM »
Funny some of you guys saying don't shoot wouldn't blink an eye at shooting  2x2 muley with a 3/4" eyeguard  :dunno:

That's funny!  :chuckle:
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Re: Is this bull legal in a spike only unit?
« Reply #44 on: December 04, 2016, 09:56:52 AM »
You're grasping at straws lefthook. 100% legal bull. Pass if you want, no way I would though

I would say letting an animal live is about as far away from grasping at straws as there is.

With your logic, every animal I have passed on was a straw game.

My decision to kill something I am comfortable with has to do with ethics and my personal approach to hunting. I'll let it walk, someone else can kill it.

So now it's ethics. That's good because your first post on the subject was factually incorrect.

If it's legal, kill it.

I unfortunately can not make a measurement in the field with in fractions of an inch so I believe it is not a legal kill, using the eyes and judgement which I have been given. I have read posts all over this forum (not this thread) calling 3x3 elk "spikes" because they, for some reason, don't believe eye guards count as points.

My ethical statement is because that bull is nowhere near the spirit of spike only. There is no point in me killing a bull that no way resembles a spike except for an eye guard being possibly 4 inches or so from the base of his right beam and the only way to have a definite answer is to kill it and measure it. I wonder how many "hunters" on here would shoot it, measure the distance from the base and find out it is not legal then walk away from it. Or kill it, finding out later it is not a legal kill and then try to sneak it out of the woods. The two previous statements I find unethical.

Because I wouldn't harvest the animal does not mean that others can't.

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Bob must not think it's legal or there would be a picture of it dead and tagged posted here. If that bull has been harvested and not posted here there could be an issue with it once a measurement was made. We'll see if that bull, dead, get's posted.

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Re: Is this bull legal in a spike only unit?
« Reply #45 on: December 04, 2016, 09:58:46 AM »
Bobcat, I'll take away the pressure and anxiety of possibly shooting a non-legal bull and take him for you so please PM the location of said questionable bull. :tup:
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Re: Is this bull legal in a spike only unit?
« Reply #46 on: December 04, 2016, 10:06:58 AM »
You're grasping at straws lefthook. 100% legal bull. Pass if you want, no way I would though

I would say letting an animal live is about as far away from grasping at straws as there is.

With your logic, every animal I have passed on was a straw game.

My decision to kill something I am comfortable with has to do with ethics and my personal approach to hunting. I'll let it walk, someone else can kill it.

So now it's ethics. That's good because your first post on the subject was factually incorrect.

If it's legal, kill it.

I unfortunately can not make a measurement in the field with in fractions of an inch so I believe it is not a legal kill, using the eyes and judgement which I have been given. I have read posts all over this forum (not this thread) calling 3x3 elk "spikes" because they, for some reason, don't believe eye guards count as points.

My ethical statement is because that bull is nowhere near the spirit of spike only. There is no point in me killing a bull that no way resembles a spike except for an eye guard being possibly 4 inches or so from the base of his right beam and the only way to have a definite answer is to kill it and measure it. I wonder how many "hunters" on here would shoot it, measure the distance from the base and find out it is not legal then walk away from it. Or kill it, finding out later it is not a legal kill and then try to sneak it out of the woods. The two previous statements I find unethical.

Because I wouldn't harvest the animal does not mean that others can't.

Fire at will.

Bob must not think it's legal or there would be a picture of it dead and tagged posted here. If that bull has been harvested and not posted here there could be an issue with it once a measurement was made. We'll see if that bull, dead, get's posted.

So you are saying if Bobcat doesn't post pictures then he's a possible poacher?

You're kidding right?

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Re: Is this bull legal in a spike only unit?
« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2016, 10:07:18 AM »
For comparison. This as my avatar bull, a nice 5pt. Even the eyguard on a mature bull is rarely 4in from the base.
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Re: Is this bull legal in a spike only unit?
« Reply #48 on: December 04, 2016, 10:10:37 AM »
Even on a nice 6pt shed.....
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Re: Is this bull legal in a spike only unit?
« Reply #49 on: December 04, 2016, 10:11:45 AM »
Even on a nice 6pt shed.....
Thankfully, that's not the bull that Bobcat is asking about.
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