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Re: 2017 General Rifle Season
« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2017, 08:39:37 PM »
Axe multi season tags, and declare east or west side tag just like elk.
Agreed...and go to a draw system that mirrors Idaho. Copy their draw system word for word.


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Re: 2017 General Rifle Season
« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2017, 09:58:25 PM »
 For those who want to kill off what is equivalent to black friday to the businesses in Twisp,Winthrop and stores in Eastern Washington by shutting down OTC muledeer hunting:  :bdid:I and my son seen 4 nice bucks on the few days that allowed us to,due to heavy rain and snow and fog.Talking to the group who skins deer for free (tips excepted)in Twisp they were down 30% from the last few years so those suggestion of gutting the local economy to help the deer might be not just wrong but way too extreme.I shot a nice 2x3 and less than 20 minutes later a 4x4 came through almost in the same path.My son shot a 5x5 that was leading the way of my buck and then filmed a 4x5 for 10 minutes with his cell phone that came up from the canyon below us.I have that buck video transfered to my phone as proof.We do need to go after the predators as I seen way more bear and cat tracks in my areas than in the past.

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Re: 2017 General Rifle Season
« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2017, 10:46:57 PM »
For those who want to kill off what is equivalent to black friday to the businesses in Twisp,Winthrop and stores in Eastern Washington by shutting down OTC muledeer hunting:  :bdid:I and my son seen 4 nice bucks on the few days that allowed us to,due to heavy rain and snow and fog.Talking to the group who skins deer for free (tips excepted)in Twisp they were down 30% from the last few years so those suggestion of gutting the local economy to help the deer might be not just wrong but way too extreme.I shot a nice 2x3 and less than 20 minutes later a 4x4 came through almost in the same path.My son shot a 5x5 that was leading the way of my buck and then filmed a 4x5 for 10 minutes with his cell phone that came up from the canyon below us.I have that buck video transfered to my phone as proof.We do need to go after the predators as I seen way more bear and cat tracks in my areas than in the past.

 Congrats on your success.

 Are you seriously suggesting that the priority of the herd be placed behind the local businesses? If the local businesses are that dependent on the hunting season, wouldn't that just be postponing the inevitable, with the herd declining year after year?
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Re: 2017 General Rifle Season
« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2017, 08:18:06 AM »
Axe multi season tags, and declare east or west side tag just like elk.
Agreed...and go to a draw system that mirrors Idaho. Copy their draw system word for word.

I'd like to see these changes  :yeah: as well as see Fish and Game shorten the season a bit in recognition of a problem.  The communities of the Methow have adjusted and survived nearly snowless winters (fewer skiers, etc.) and the Carlton Complex fire.
They can handle a few less hunters leaving money behind. 
Question then becomes "Can the local game manager handle it?"  Does he recognize that there is a problem?  Doubtful.


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Re: 2017 General Rifle Season
« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2017, 09:49:31 AM »
Can the local game manager handle it? Does he recognize that there is a problem?

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Re: 2017 General Rifle Season
« Reply #30 on: January 08, 2017, 11:53:58 AM »
Ha. You're talking about a guy who in no way is what I would call a "game manager". He's far too concerned with his fisher, wolverine, grizzly, and wolf work to even be able to spell the word ungulate.

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Re: 2017 General Rifle Season
« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2017, 06:29:50 AM »
Damn wolves can't count 3 pts
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Re: 2017 General Rifle Season
« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2017, 04:21:18 PM »
Damn wolves can't count 3 pts

Same deal with the cats and bears, We,ve seen more of both of them in the last 10 years than we have seen in the last 50!!

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Re: 2017 General Rifle Season
« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2017, 05:20:27 PM »
About 7 years ago(give or take) on a spring scouting trip in the Methow, we seen 2 cougars and a bear in a 4 day stretch, the bear had a fawn hanging out of its mouth that looked to be a week or two old as it lumbered down a small ridge. We went back later that summer(early sept.) into a different area at a different elevation and ran into 2 more cats. Now I,m hearing about Grizzly,s. Hopefully somebody gets this figured out..... :twocents:

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Re: 2017 General Rifle Season
« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2017, 05:41:54 PM »
Move the any buck gmu to a 2pt or better. Give out youth tags for any buck. Also make cougar hunting year round. Take the controlled hound hunts for cougar and expand there areas they can hunt. Not just a 2 mile radius.  Actually just bring back the hound hunting for cats and bears. But good luck on them granola eaters in Seattle area voting that back in.  :bash: if every hunter put in the effort to predator hunting. Like they do deer/elk hunting. That would even help out.  You look at what the other neighboring states do and see the game populations thrive. WDFW couldn't manage themselves out of a wet paper sack. Little lone manage the wildlife in Washington. Just my  :twocents:

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Re: 2017 General Rifle Season
« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2017, 01:10:48 PM »
That's because there's no more deer left there.

 Regardless, the point is the additional two weekdays had little impact on that problem.

 As Mtnmuley stated, ridiculous amount of additional doe tags, back to back fires, lack of predation control, and I'll also add FAR TOO MANY LATE TAGS are the biggest issues.

I think the fires, coupled with the extra days, and a coinciding early rut in 2015 really knocked back those big buck numbers up the Methow anyways... with no cover after the fire and the animals coming down early, what did we expect? I'm glad it won't be the following week... we don't need a "quality hunt" to coincide with general season dates.
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Re: 2017 General Rifle Season
« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2017, 01:54:49 PM »
That's because there's no more deer left there.

 Regardless, the point is the additional two weekdays had little impact on that problem.

 As Mtnmuley stated, ridiculous amount of additional doe tags, back to back fires, lack of predation control, and I'll also add FAR TOO MANY LATE TAGS are the biggest issues.
I'm glad it won't be the following week... we don't need a "quality hunt" to coincide with general season dates.

 Huh? :dunno:
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Re: 2017 General Rifle Season
« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2017, 02:12:55 PM »
That's because there's no more deer left there.

 Regardless, the point is the additional two weekdays had little impact on that problem.

 As Mtnmuley stated, ridiculous amount of additional doe tags, back to back fires, lack of predation control, and I'll also add FAR TOO MANY LATE TAGS are the biggest issues.
I'm glad it won't be the following week... we don't need a "quality hunt" to coincide with general season dates.

 Huh? :dunno:

I feel like the general rifle season already is close enough in timeframe to see rut activity depending on the season, so I'm glad it is the week stated, rather than the following week. 2015 had so many big bucks harvested for a multitude of reasons, one being that it had high rut activity, making it almost a "general season quality buck tag" in my opinion.
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Re: 2017 General Rifle Season
« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2017, 02:17:12 PM »
That's because there's no more deer left there.

 Regardless, the point is the additional two weekdays had little impact on that problem.

 As Mtnmuley stated, ridiculous amount of additional doe tags, back to back fires, lack of predation control, and I'll also add FAR TOO MANY LATE TAGS are the biggest issues.
I'm glad it won't be the following week... we don't need a "quality hunt" to coincide with general season dates.

 Huh? :dunno:

I feel like the general rifle season already is close enough in timeframe to see rut activity depending on the season, so I'm glad it is the week stated, rather than the following week. 2015 had so many big bucks harvested for a multitude of reasons, one being that it had high rut activity, making it almost a "general season quality buck tag" in my opinion.

 Ok, what gave you the idea I wanted the week the season ran changed?
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Re: 2017 General Rifle Season
« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2017, 03:59:20 PM »
That's because there's no more deer left there.

 Regardless, the point is the additional two weekdays had little impact on that problem.

 As Mtnmuley stated, ridiculous amount of additional doe tags, back to back fires, lack of predation control, and I'll also add FAR TOO MANY LATE TAGS are the biggest issues.
I'm glad it won't be the following week... we don't need a "quality hunt" to coincide with general season dates.

 Huh? :dunno:

I feel like the general rifle season already is close enough in timeframe to see rut activity depending on the season, so I'm glad it is the week stated, rather than the following week. 2015 had so many big bucks harvested for a multitude of reasons, one being that it had high rut activity, making it almost a "general season quality buck tag" in my opinion.

 Ok, what gave you the idea I wanted the week the season ran changed?

Didn't say you did... I was simply adding my speculations as to why there were "no more deer" there, and agreeing the two extra days were not the issue insomuch as a combination of other factors.
I am not opposed to golf, for I suspect it keeps armies of the unworthy from discovering deer.

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Re: 2017 General Rifle Season
« Reply #40 on: January 26, 2017, 09:06:16 PM »
That's because there's no more deer left there.

 Regardless, the point is the additional two weekdays had little impact on that problem.

 As Mtnmuley stated, ridiculous amount of additional doe tags, back to back fires, lack of predation control, and I'll also add FAR TOO MANY LATE TAGS are the biggest issues.
I'm glad it won't be the following week... we don't need a "quality hunt" to coincide with general season dates.

 Huh? :dunno:

I feel like the general rifle season already is close enough in timeframe to see rut activity depending on the season, so I'm glad it is the week stated, rather than the following week. 2015 had so many big bucks harvested for a multitude of reasons, one being that it had high rut activity, making it almost a "general season quality buck tag" in my opinion.

 Ok, what gave you the idea I wanted the week the season ran changed?

Didn't say you did... I was simply adding my speculations as to why there were "no more deer" there, and agreeing the two extra days were not the issue insomuch as a combination of other factors.

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Re: 2017 General Rifle Season
« Reply #41 on: January 26, 2017, 09:52:43 PM »
If I had my way the east side of the state would be 4 point min for whitetail+muledeer,after about 4-6 years you would see some giants come from washington.And yes chose which side of the state you want to hunt deer like elk. :twocents:

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Re: 2017 General Rifle Season
« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2017, 07:58:15 PM »
If I had my way the east side of the state would be 4 point min for whitetail+muledeer,after about 4-6 years you would see some giants come from washington.And yes chose which side of the state you want to hunt deer like elk. :twocents:

Well, I don't know about a 4 point min. but I agree that something needs to be done. Yes some giants could come out of this state, they once did, and yes, every once in awhile they still do. Back in the days of my grandparents and great grandparents(1918-1950,s) they took some monsters out of this valley. 

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Re: 2017 General Rifle Season
« Reply #43 on: January 27, 2017, 11:10:07 PM »
If I had my way the east side of the state would be 4 point min for whitetail+muledeer,after about 4-6 years you would see some giants come from washington.And yes chose which side of the state you want to hunt deer like elk. :twocents:

 Actually you wouldn't. A 4 point APR would focus all hunters on mature bucks, which would be detrimental to the herd.*
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Re: 2017 General Rifle Season
« Reply #44 on: January 28, 2017, 06:03:15 AM »
In regards to the Winthrop area

seems to me that most of the deer in the valley have figured out private land

Lots of does now never migrate, they stay on the valley floor all year

Many bucks were seen by my group during archery and rifle,they were  just standing behind no trespassing or no hunting signage
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Re: 2017 General Rifle Season
« Reply #45 on: January 28, 2017, 11:57:02 AM »
If I had my way the east side of the state would be 4 point min for whitetail+muledeer,after about 4-6 years you would see some giants come from washington.And yes chose which side of the state you want to hunt deer like elk. :twocents:

 Actually you wouldn't. A 4 point APR would focus all hunters on mature bucks, which would be detrimental to the herd.*

 :yeah: I have yet to see any big bucks after the 4 pt min a few years ago.
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