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Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« on: January 03, 2017, 03:33:02 PM »
What is your opinion of a hunting guide that shoots? Should he/she be tipped?

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Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2017, 03:34:37 PM »
Need more info.  What kind of hunt?
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Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2017, 03:37:26 PM »
If he shoots a bear that's charging you, I'd give a pretty good tip!

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Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2017, 03:38:49 PM »
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Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2017, 04:06:34 PM »
Father takes son on first time waterfowl field hunt. Son is fourteen and holding his own shooting both ducks and geese. Guide (also owner) shoots from the get go and adds his birds to overall bag. Father calls BS on this move and allows son to shoot.
Hunt did not go over allowable bag limit.

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Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2017, 04:11:41 PM »
So...
Father, Son and Guide laying in field.
All 3 shoot at the birds coming into the spread.
All 3 shoot birds and do not go over each of their allowed legal limit.
Is the guide shooting a BS move in this situation?
And since he is shooting at birds, should be not be tipped?
Are those your questions?
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Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2017, 04:13:11 PM »
So...
Father, Son and Guide laying in field.
All 3 shoot at the birds coming into the spread.
All 3 shoot birds and do not go over each of their allowed legal limit.
Is the guide shooting a BS move in this situation? 
Is that your question?

 :yeah:

If so, then no....why not let the guide shoot also?  Now if the guide is filling others limits, that is illegal and totally not cool. 

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Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2017, 04:15:25 PM »
I think the guide should ask the hunters if they mind if he shoots too.

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Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2017, 04:18:02 PM »
If this father was trying to get his kid on birds and the owner was shooting all the singles and doubles and preventing his clients from shooting birds, that wouldn't be cool. And he probably wouldn't get a tip.

But if there were big enough flocks of enough birds for all three the get their share, I would be cool with him shooting.
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Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2017, 04:18:43 PM »
Did the guide keep his birds, divide the harvest unequally, or give them all to the clients?  Did the guide's shooting interfere with the kid's opportunities to shoot? 

If it was me, and the guide gave us all the birds, or if he kept his own birds but waited to shoot until we'd exhausted our own opportunities, then that's cool.  If he took shot opportunities away from us, and/or kept more than just the birds he shot, not so much.

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Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2017, 04:21:38 PM »
Tag...wanna see if the guide is named...
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Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2017, 04:35:33 PM »
Guides should guide.
That is what you paid for.
If that was my son and the guide was shooting his birds that guide might find his blind laying flat in quick order.

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Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2017, 04:39:36 PM »
I think the guide should ask the hunters if they mind if he shoots too.

I feel like this is the way to go, and it should be made known up front before it happens. Each hunter has a bag limit. I don't waterfowl hunt and don't know what the limits are, but if it's 6 birds per person, I assume that means that each person can shoot 6 birds. I assume it doesn't mean that if there are 3 people there, 18 birds can be killed regardless of who shoots what. Am I right here?

Were it me, I'd not be ok with the guide shooting until the other 2 killed their limits and a discussion was had to see if all parties wanted to stay and kill another limit.
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Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2017, 04:44:59 PM »
When I went on a guided duck and goose hunt the guides were shooting also. They did ask in advance if it was okay.  We still tipped.
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Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2017, 05:26:44 PM »
Guides should guide.
That is what you paid for.


That's my take on it. I never hunt with a client, sometimes fish with them but only if I know them on a personal level. It doesn't look professional for the guide or the outfitter. That being said you should always tip your guide, if your unhappy about something be upfront with them :twocents:

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Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2017, 05:53:39 PM »
Thanks. Good info.
Just asking because I have only paid a guide three times in 40+ years and assumed it was customary for a guide to guide and not be paid to hunt.
1) It wasn't discussed upfront ... although I was told to let my son shoot first...DUH!
2) Did not get his harvested birds nor did my son completely fill his limit. (Still had the time of his life)
3) Were not having trouble filling our limit nor was the guide waiting for us to exhaust opportunities.
4) Won't name the guide, won't name the area or the state hunted.
5) EVERYTHING  ELSE ABOUT THE HUNT WAS FIRST CLASS!

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Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2017, 06:37:51 PM »
I've guided before,and in my case you wait a few rounds,of your with a bunch of non shooters than you do. I gave my birds away though. I shot/shot enough not to worry about a few birds. I also would ask if they minded. Most groups i worked with didn't mind,because it wasn't about how many individuals got,for the most part,it was about getting limits.

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Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2017, 06:38:58 PM »
Thanks. Good info.
Just asking because I have only paid a guide three times in 40+ years and assumed it was customary for a guide to guide and not be paid to hunt.
1) It wasn't discussed upfront ... although I was told to let my son shoot first...DUH!
2) Did not get his harvested birds nor did my son completely fill his limit. (Still had the time of his life)
3) Were not having trouble filling our limit nor was the guide waiting for us to exhaust opportunities.
4) Won't name the guide, won't name the area or the state hunted.
5) EVERYTHING  ELSE ABOUT THE HUNT WAS FIRST CLASS!
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Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2017, 06:58:08 PM »
Every guided duck hunt I have been on the guide only swatted cripples. The rest of the time he was calling or telling jokes or b.s.'nwith us. Also they only ran their dogs after the hunt to mop up difficult to find birds. It should definitely be decided prior to that morning. I personally don't see why they need to "hunt" basically on my dime. At least your kid had fun... Ultimately that is what matters.

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Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2017, 07:06:33 PM »
Also if he had enough birds on his string to limit you guys out he should have done that after the hunt was over. Again...merely a personal opinion.

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Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2017, 07:11:18 PM »
Usually the guides just shoot cripples. Or if there is poor shooting they might take some shots to achieve the limit faster. However I had a guide explain to me that they don't really like to shoot because that would be party hunting as hunters should only keep the birds they shoot. I'm not sure of the legals on this however, if the guide was shooting and keeping his own birds is see it as fine but if he is limiting the opportunity of the paying hunters then that is not cool
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Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2017, 07:32:55 PM »
Usually the guides just shoot cripples. Or if there is poor shooting they might take some shots to achieve the limit faster. However I had a guide explain to me that they don't really like to shoot because that would be party hunting as hunters should only keep the birds they shoot. I'm not sure of the legals on this however, if the guide was shooting and keeping his own birds is see it as fine but if he is limiting the opportunity of the paying hunters then that is not cool

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I couldn't remember the term but it was "party hunting"
I do think they could give theirs to you once you have left the field...offsite...As long as you are not over your limit with their contribution. I could be totally wrong though.

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Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2017, 08:21:14 PM »
I think the guide should ask the hunters if they mind if he shoots too.

I feel like this is the way to go, and it should be made known up front before it happens. Each hunter has a bag limit. I don't waterfowl hunt and don't know what the limits are, but if it's 6 birds per person, I assume that means that each person can shoot 6 birds. I assume it doesn't mean that if there are 3 people there, 18 birds can be killed regardless of who shoots what. Am I right here?

Were it me, I'd not be ok with the guide shooting until the other 2 killed their limits and a discussion was had to see if all parties wanted to stay and kill another limit.

I totally agree.

I don't really care if birds are piling in by the dozens.

If I took my young son, I'd like him to be able to raise up and shoot w/o worrying about (or competing against ) the guide.

That's why I'm paying big bucks for the guide to begin with.
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Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2017, 08:40:01 PM »
I feel like calling them guides in the first place is weird.  I can't compare a duck guide to someone like Bearpaw who will spend days in the woods with someone and help him track down big game. 

For this reason, I see the $200-300 I spend on a waterfowl hunt as an opportunity to hunt prime area over great decoys and not have to worry about the details.  I don't mind others shooting because generally speaking there are more ducks or geese than we can shoot anyways. 

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Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2017, 08:28:59 AM »
I used to hunt with guides and they also shot but you should remember that most guides are very good shots and they are often just trying to knock down birds that the hunters have hit.  Also party hunting is not legal and when hunting with a group hunters should quit shooting after they feel that have killed their limit.

 

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