collapse
Banded Hunting Gear Double U Hunting Supply

Author Topic: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)  (Read 5317 times)

Offline jackelope

  • Administrator
  • Trade Count: (+21)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2007
  • Posts: 35448
  • Location: Duvall, WA
  • Groups: WSB RMGA NRA RMEF BHA
Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2017, 10:11:00 AM »
I feel like calling them guides in the first place is weird.  I can't compare a duck guide to someone like Bearpaw who will spend days in the woods with someone and help him track down big game. 

For this reason, I see the $200-300 I spend on a waterfowl hunt as an opportunity to hunt prime area over great decoys and not have to worry about the details.  I don't mind others shooting because generally speaking there are more ducks or geese than we can shoot anyways. 

This is a weird thought process in my opinion.  Do you think the duck guides don't do any work to find those honey holes?
Kind of like saying treestand hunters don't do any work to find their spots.

:fire.:

" In today's instant gratification society, more and more pressure revolves around success and the measurement of one's prowess as a hunter by inches on a score chart or field photos produced on social media. Don't fall into the trap. Hunting is-and always will be- about the hunt, the adventure, the views, and time spent with close friends and family. " Ryan Hatfield

My posts, opinions and statements do not represent those of this forum

Offline 2MANY

  • Off-Topics
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Sourdough
  • *
  • Join Date: Jun 2013
  • Posts: 1665
  • Location: Chehalis
Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2017, 10:22:35 AM »
Good lease + Food = Ducks

Offline ctwiggs1

  • Virtual Campfire
  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Sourdough
  • *
  • Join Date: Mar 2009
  • Posts: 1991
Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2017, 10:25:41 AM »
I feel like calling them guides in the first place is weird.  I can't compare a duck guide to someone like Bearpaw who will spend days in the woods with someone and help him track down big game. 

For this reason, I see the $200-300 I spend on a waterfowl hunt as an opportunity to hunt prime area over great decoys and not have to worry about the details.  I don't mind others shooting because generally speaking there are more ducks or geese than we can shoot anyways. 

This is a weird thought process in my opinion.  Do you think the duck guides don't do any work to find those honey holes?
Kind of like saying treestand hunters don't do any work to find their spots.


Pretty big jump in your comparison (IMHO).  Give waterfowl a shot in 2017 and let us know how whatcha think.

Curtis

Offline Spuddieselwwu

  • Spuddieselwwu
  • Virtual Campfire
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Scout
  • *
  • Join Date: Oct 2008
  • Posts: 487
  • Location: Maple Valley, WA
  • Groups: DU, Delta Waterfowl, NRA, RMEF
Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2017, 10:34:47 AM »
I feel like calling them guides in the first place is weird.  I can't compare a duck guide to someone like Bearpaw who will spend days in the woods with someone and help him track down big game. 

For this reason, I see the $200-300 I spend on a waterfowl hunt as an opportunity to hunt prime area over great decoys and not have to worry about the details.  I don't mind others shooting because generally speaking there are more ducks or geese than we can shoot anyways.

I feel like you're underestimating the amount of work some guides put in.  I have a close friend that is a pretty well known/successful guide in E.WA that puts in countless hours of work from sun up to sun down scouting, working with land owners to lock up leases/access, maintenance on equipment/boats, working on CRP. 

Offline jackelope

  • Administrator
  • Trade Count: (+21)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2007
  • Posts: 35448
  • Location: Duvall, WA
  • Groups: WSB RMGA NRA RMEF BHA
Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2017, 10:36:39 AM »
I feel like calling them guides in the first place is weird.  I can't compare a duck guide to someone like Bearpaw who will spend days in the woods with someone and help him track down big game. 

For this reason, I see the $200-300 I spend on a waterfowl hunt as an opportunity to hunt prime area over great decoys and not have to worry about the details.  I don't mind others shooting because generally speaking there are more ducks or geese than we can shoot anyways. 

This is a weird thought process in my opinion.  Do you think the duck guides don't do any work to find those honey holes?
Kind of like saying treestand hunters don't do any work to find their spots.


Pretty big jump in your comparison (IMHO).  Give waterfowl a shot in 2017 and let us know how whatcha think.

Curtis

I've hunted waterfowl 15-20 times and failed miserably 80% of the time. The 20% I did well, we killed the crap out of them directly. I don't like eating them and I have too many other hobbies so I tabled duck hunting.
Maybe I'm missing what you're saying, but it kinda sounds like you're saying there's not a lot of work that goes into successful waterfowl guiding.
:fire.:

" In today's instant gratification society, more and more pressure revolves around success and the measurement of one's prowess as a hunter by inches on a score chart or field photos produced on social media. Don't fall into the trap. Hunting is-and always will be- about the hunt, the adventure, the views, and time spent with close friends and family. " Ryan Hatfield

My posts, opinions and statements do not represent those of this forum

Offline aaronoto

  • Virtual Campfire
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Scout
  • *
  • Join Date: Feb 2012
  • Posts: 338
  • Location: Whatcom County
Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2017, 10:39:03 AM »
Father takes son on first time waterfowl field hunt. Son is fourteen and holding his own shooting both ducks and geese. Guide (also owner) shoots from the get go and adds his birds to overall bag. Father calls BS on this move and allows son to shoot.
Hunt did not go over allowable bag limit.

I feel like there's more to the story here...

Are you upset that your bag limit was 21 ducks and you were hoping your son could shoot more then 7 because you had 3 guys there, but since the guide shot his 7 he took away opportunity, so to speak, for your son to shoot more?

I don't mind if the guide shoots, the guided hunts I've been on there's been more then enough out of each flock to go around.

Offline ctwiggs1

  • Virtual Campfire
  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Sourdough
  • *
  • Join Date: Mar 2009
  • Posts: 1991
Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2017, 10:44:08 AM »
I feel like calling them guides in the first place is weird.  I can't compare a duck guide to someone like Bearpaw who will spend days in the woods with someone and help him track down big game. 

For this reason, I see the $200-300 I spend on a waterfowl hunt as an opportunity to hunt prime area over great decoys and not have to worry about the details.  I don't mind others shooting because generally speaking there are more ducks or geese than we can shoot anyways.

I feel like you're underestimating the amount of work some guides put in.  I have a close friend that is a pretty well known/successful guide in E.WA that puts in countless hours of work from sun up to sun down scouting, working with land owners to lock up leases/access, maintenance on equipment/boats, working on CRP.

Sorry not trying to insult your friend, I just don't see the point in them not shooting.  I've never had an issue with it.  If my big game guide had a rifle along "just in case he sees a buck he likes", I would be super pissed. 

Curtis

Offline EWUeagles

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hunter
  • ***
  • Join Date: Dec 2011
  • Posts: 123
  • Location: Spokane, Washington
Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2017, 12:14:20 PM »
I feel like calling them guides in the first place is weird.  I can't compare a duck guide to someone like Bearpaw who will spend days in the woods with someone and help him track down big game. 

For this reason, I see the $200-300 I spend on a waterfowl hunt as an opportunity to hunt prime area over great decoys and not have to worry about the details.  I don't mind others shooting because generally speaking there are more ducks or geese than we can shoot anyways.

I feel like you're underestimating the amount of work some guides put in.  I have a close friend that is a pretty well known/successful guide in E.WA that puts in countless hours of work from sun up to sun down scouting, working with land owners to lock up leases/access, maintenance on equipment/boats, working on CRP.

Sorry not trying to insult your friend, I just don't see the point in them not shooting.  I've never had an issue with it.  If my big game guide had a rifle along "just in case he sees a buck he likes", I would be super pissed. 

Curtis

Aren't you comparing apples to oranges? When was the last time you were on a big game hunt and had herds of 50+ shooter deer just keep piling into your field?

I would have no problem with a guide shooting if we had ample shooting opportunities and he only shot his limits. If you get a group of 20 ducks coming in why not let him shoot? He should let you guys get the first shot or two and not be the first one out of the blind though. I'm glad the OP's son had a great time though.

Offline ctwiggs1

  • Virtual Campfire
  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Sourdough
  • *
  • Join Date: Mar 2009
  • Posts: 1991
Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2017, 12:16:18 PM »
That was kind of my point.  I guess I didn't communicate it well.

Offline 2MANY

  • Off-Topics
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Sourdough
  • *
  • Join Date: Jun 2013
  • Posts: 1665
  • Location: Chehalis
Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2017, 12:43:29 PM »
Give me one good reason why he should shoot other than killing a cripple???

You pay him and he hunts?????
LOL.

Offline ctwiggs1

  • Virtual Campfire
  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Sourdough
  • *
  • Join Date: Mar 2009
  • Posts: 1991
Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2017, 12:48:19 PM »
Give me one good reason why he should shoot other than killing a cripple???

You pay him and he hunts?????
LOL.

Then shoot your own cripples for that matter.  If we're going to be legalistic, that's his bird if he shoots your cripple.

It's waterfowl hunting.  50 birds comes in on 5 shooters, who cares if the guy shoots?  He's calling, he's likely fetching (most of the guided hunts I've been on they get the birds), sometimes they even clean.

I just don't see why it's a problem. 

Curtis

Offline 2MANY

  • Off-Topics
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Sourdough
  • *
  • Join Date: Jun 2013
  • Posts: 1665
  • Location: Chehalis
Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2017, 12:56:57 PM »
Because I don't think a beginning hunter that paid to go needs to listen to dudeman's 12 gauge barking in his ear.

Probably put the kid on his right too so he could dodge shell hulls.

Rookie guide in his 20's is my guess.

Offline ctwiggs1

  • Virtual Campfire
  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Sourdough
  • *
  • Join Date: Mar 2009
  • Posts: 1991
Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #37 on: January 04, 2017, 01:04:42 PM »
Because I don't think a beginning hunter that paid to go needs to listen to dudeman's 12 gauge barking in his ear.

Probably put the kid on his right too so he could dodge shell hulls.

Rookie guide in his 20's is my guess.

Hasn't been an issue for me.  Generally speaking I duck hunt with others so there will always be other shotguns shooting, and generally speaking I don't get hit with shells.  I mean I'm sure a guide would be happy to not shoot, but again it seems a little weird if you have several people out there that you'd have an issue with just one more shooter.

Offline 2MANY

  • Off-Topics
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Sourdough
  • *
  • Join Date: Jun 2013
  • Posts: 1665
  • Location: Chehalis
Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #38 on: January 04, 2017, 01:10:11 PM »
The 14 year old should have had the bunches of birds to himself.

I bet the same guy pushes 10 year olds out of the way at Seahawk's games to get autographs also.

Offline ctwiggs1

  • Virtual Campfire
  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Sourdough
  • *
  • Join Date: Mar 2009
  • Posts: 1991
Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #39 on: January 04, 2017, 01:20:44 PM »
 :o

Offline Spuddieselwwu

  • Spuddieselwwu
  • Virtual Campfire
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Scout
  • *
  • Join Date: Oct 2008
  • Posts: 487
  • Location: Maple Valley, WA
  • Groups: DU, Delta Waterfowl, NRA, RMEF
Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #40 on: January 04, 2017, 04:35:20 PM »
I feel like calling them guides in the first place is weird.  I can't compare a duck guide to someone like Bearpaw who will spend days in the woods with someone and help him track down big game. 

For this reason, I see the $200-300 I spend on a waterfowl hunt as an opportunity to hunt prime area over great decoys and not have to worry about the details.  I don't mind others shooting because generally speaking there are more ducks or geese than we can shoot anyways.


I feel like you're underestimating the amount of work some guides put in.  I have a close friend that is a pretty well known/successful guide in E.WA that puts in countless hours of work from sun up to sun down scouting, working with land owners to lock up leases/access, maintenance on equipment/boats, working on CRP.

Sorry not trying to insult your friend, I just don't see the point in them not shooting.  I've never had an issue with it.  If my big game guide had a rifle along "just in case he sees a buck he likes", I would be super pissed. 

Curtis

You're not trying to insult my friend - you just said you don't think that they're guides. I was just outlining a lot of what goes into the hunt that you don't see while you're out there.

Offline greenhead_killer

  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Longhunter
  • *****
  • Join Date: Nov 2010
  • Posts: 656
  • Location: the burg
Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #41 on: January 04, 2017, 07:08:48 PM »
If it's waterfowl, I feel bang away. You're paying more for location and prep than anything else anyways. I agree with ctwiggs1, let them have at it. I do agree on the letting the younger man shoot first but three shells only goes so far and once those birds are shot at, real good chance they don't come back. Lol. Might as well make the most out of each group.
IBEW 46

Offline Magnum_Willys

  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Nov 2009
  • Posts: 2347
Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #42 on: January 04, 2017, 07:17:31 PM »
Could be worse:  Its pretty common it seems in E. WA to combine parties to reach the minimum of hunters a blind or location is set up for in primo spots.   I would prefer one of the guys be the guide vs a stranger if need be. 

Offline ctwiggs1

  • Virtual Campfire
  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Sourdough
  • *
  • Join Date: Mar 2009
  • Posts: 1991
Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #43 on: January 04, 2017, 07:29:05 PM »
I feel like calling them guides in the first place is weird.  I can't compare a duck guide to someone like Bearpaw who will spend days in the woods with someone and help him track down big game. 

For this reason, I see the $200-300 I spend on a waterfowl hunt as an opportunity to hunt prime area over great decoys and not have to worry about the details.  I don't mind others shooting because generally speaking there are more ducks or geese than we can shoot anyways.




I feel like you're underestimating the amount of work some guides put in.  I have a close friend that is a pretty well known/successful guide in E.WA that puts in countless hours of work from sun up to sun down scouting, working with land owners to lock up leases/access, maintenance on equipment/boats, working on CRP.

Sorry not trying to insult your friend, I just don't see the point in them not shooting.  I've never had an issue with it.  If my big game guide had a rifle along "just in case he sees a buck he likes", I would be super pissed. 

Curtis

You're not trying to insult my friend - you just said you don't think that they're guides. I was just outlining a lot of what goes into the hunt that you don't see while you're out there.

I recognize that.  I guess I need to rephrase what I said.  I have a hard time putting a waterfowl guide in the same category as a big game outfitter. That work? 

Offline jagermiester

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Scout
  • ****
  • Join Date: Sep 2009
  • Posts: 446
  • Location: Burien
  • My family is my life
Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #44 on: January 04, 2017, 07:37:07 PM »
I would prefer they hunt just because I like that type of atmosphere.  But if he is the owner I would not tip either way. He gets all the money if he needs more he should charge more I only tip hired hands.
Lead em if they're running.

Offline Opportunist

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Longhunter
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2007
  • Posts: 552
  • Location: Rose Valley
Re: Hunting guides that shoot (vs just guide)
« Reply #45 on: January 10, 2017, 06:05:14 PM »
I've never guided but I take out first time waterfowlers and youth hunters every season and I will sit back and anchor cripples. I wouldn't have any problem with guides shooting cripples especially on honkers, but I wouldn't like for them to bang out their limits on my payed hunt. :twocents:
"Deer season is just a scouting trip for my next elk hunt"

 

* Recent Topics

Atlantics still popping up by boneaddict
[Today at 10:39:40 AM]


What size shot for both ducks & geese? by C-Money
[Today at 10:38:51 AM]


dog dish recommendations by Stein
[Today at 10:37:29 AM]


Crab reports? by Stein
[Today at 10:35:31 AM]


The Guy Made $84K fishing in 5 months by Stein
[Today at 10:34:27 AM]


Salmon fishing/Not likley by Stein
[Today at 10:33:01 AM]


Best Gun Cleaner On The Market!!! by Fishoutdoors2016
[Today at 10:30:22 AM]


Experience with Hornady ELD-X bullets? by Karl Blanchard
[Today at 10:30:04 AM]


Mounting optics on a 30-30 by N7XW
[Today at 10:25:54 AM]


Backcountry with kiddos by jamesfromseattle
[Today at 10:21:43 AM]


Poached Goat by bobcat
[Today at 10:13:29 AM]


Marten by gramps
[Today at 10:09:07 AM]


Idaho Non-Resident Hound Permit by jackelope
[Today at 10:06:29 AM]


Aladdin moose hunt by bighorn1
[Today at 09:53:23 AM]


Idaho Archery Pronghorns by elkinrutdrivemenuts
[Today at 09:49:41 AM]


Closed reed predator call. by bearmanric
[Today at 09:26:03 AM]


10x12 wall tent by samsqatch
[Today at 09:22:36 AM]


Last chukar hunt this year by Carl
[Today at 09:16:55 AM]


SCI Banquet Feb 17th Southcenter by DaveMonti
[Today at 09:15:04 AM]


WISC Webinar on Feral Swine by Ridgeratt
[Today at 09:12:47 AM]