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Re: Transfer of Federal Public Lands?
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2017, 10:50:28 PM »
http://onlineathens.com/outdoors/2017-01-19/rule-easing-public-lands-transfer-concerns-hunters-others
Rule change to ease transfer of land to states. Those that say this is a good thing go try and hunt on public lands in the south east. I vote down the line Republican but if they continue down this path I'm done and believe a majority of the hunting community would be also.

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Re: Transfer of Federal Public Lands?
« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2017, 12:54:40 AM »
The first video in a very informative series. He's pretty passionate about this.

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Re: Transfer of Federal Public Lands?
« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2017, 04:32:24 AM »
The first video in a very informative series. He's pretty passionate about this.

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Re: Transfer of Federal Public Lands?
« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2017, 06:16:31 AM »
For those who don't have the time to watch the Newburg. Videos, these can be found in podcast form as well.
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Re: Transfer of Federal Public Lands?
« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2017, 07:23:33 AM »
Thanks for sharing the videos those were very informational.

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Re: Transfer of Federal Public Lands?
« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2017, 07:34:08 AM »
Hello, all.

The Newberg videos are compelling, to be sure, but I do not need to overcomplicate a simple issue to be convinced that the transfer of federal lands to state or private stewards is a bad idea. The federal land belongs to ALL Americans, and we should keep it that way if we want multiple use.

Just as many on the Forum believe hunters need to "band together" to save our hunting privileges and 2nd Amendment rights, people of all stripes and political leanings and outdoor interests need to rally behind what is OURS. We need to move beyond "us" vs. "them" and resist a movement that ultimately is much more about the super wealthy such as the Koch brothers than it is about federal government overreach, bunny huggers vs. hunters, etc. If the common hunter wants access, the time is now to speak up, write letters, resist.

My two cents,

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Re: Transfer of Federal Public Lands?
« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2017, 07:55:04 AM »
Hello, all.

The Newberg videos are compelling, to be sure, but I do not need to overcomplicate a simple issue to be convinced that the transfer of federal lands to state or private stewards is a bad idea. The federal land belongs to ALL Americans, and we should keep it that way if we want multiple use.

Just as many on the Forum believe hunters need to "band together" to save our hunting privileges and 2nd Amendment rights, people of all stripes and political leanings and outdoor interests need to rally behind what is OURS. We need to move beyond "us" vs. "them" and resist a movement that ultimately is much more about the super wealthy such as the Koch brothers than it is about federal government overreach, bunny huggers vs. hunters, etc. If the common hunter wants access, the time is now to speak up, write letters, resist.

My two cents,

John
Well put John. I have a friend in the outdoor industry (25-30 years) and they're rallied around this same issue as well . And there are a lot of bunny huggers in their crowd.
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Re: Transfer of Federal Public Lands?
« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2017, 08:00:18 AM »
Hello, all.

The Newberg videos are compelling, to be sure, but I do not need to overcomplicate a simple issue to be convinced that the transfer of federal lands to state or private stewards is a bad idea. The federal land belongs to ALL Americans, and we should keep it that way if we want multiple use.

Just as many on the Forum believe hunters need to "band together" to save our hunting privileges and 2nd Amendment rights, people of all stripes and political leanings and outdoor interests need to rally behind what is OURS. We need to move beyond "us" vs. "them" and resist a movement that ultimately is much more about the super wealthy such as the Koch brothers than it is about federal government overreach, bunny huggers vs. hunters, etc. If the common hunter wants access, the time is now to speak up, write letters, resist.

My two cents,

John

Agreed

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Re: Transfer of Federal Public Lands?
« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2017, 06:22:29 PM »
Keep public lands in public hands. Mismanagement of state owned property will end up sold to the private sector. There goes your access. Go to sportsmensaccess.org and sign the petition. This is important ladies and gentlemen!!
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Re: Transfer of Federal Public Lands?
« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2017, 07:20:02 PM »
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Re: Transfer of Federal Public Lands?
« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2017, 07:27:22 PM »
In order to find a reasonable solution you really have to define the problem accurately. Federal ownership wouldn't be an issue if  Bunnie Huggers weren't pushing so much ESA nonsense.  If our now best practices of mining, drilling, grazing and logging were actually taking place this wouldn't be an issue.
  You nailed it on the head. Im a small scale miner/hunter/fisherman/trapper and all around outdoors man. If you put "Federal land" which is our Public Land into state controlled land you can kiss you access good by. They will slowly start removing roads which will deny access to some who cant walk in.
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Re: Transfer of Federal Public Lands?
« Reply #36 on: January 21, 2017, 11:03:14 AM »
Bad idea ... period.  There are a ton of issues that need to be resolved before it would ever be considered a sliver of a good idea.  You wont ever see the people pushing for this trying to fix those problems.  It will be "well fix it once this is in place" or some other bs.  If you believe them ... give me all your money with no written/legal contract.  Ill double it and give it back to you.

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Re: Transfer of Federal Public Lands?
« Reply #37 on: January 21, 2017, 02:53:20 PM »
You get what you pay for.

http://sportsmenreport.com/update-judge-orders-destruction-of-data-from-illegal-idaho-elkwolf-collaring-in-wilderness//

"Judge orders destruction of data from illegal Idaho elk/wolf collaring in wilderness..

...In this ruling, a FEDERAL Judge did not simply remove one of the “tools” from the wolf management “tool bag”, but exposed the real problem, which is FEDERAL control of land and the misapplication of the WILDERNESS ACT and the ENDANGERED SPECIES ACT..."

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Re: Transfer of Federal Public Lands?
« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2017, 03:19:57 PM »
Personally I can't see how  "manage for maximum profit" and "free public access" are compatible.  I can only imagine what the cost of a discovery pass might be.  This idea should be truly repulsive to any person who is a true outdoors person.  People pushing this see our great outdoors as a bank full of money just waiting to be robbed. Just my  :twocents:

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Re: Transfer of Federal Public Lands?
« Reply #39 on: January 22, 2017, 10:47:18 AM »
It seems that people believe "public" is only applicable to Federal. State owned lands are also "public". Am I wrong?

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Re: Transfer of Federal Public Lands?
« Reply #40 on: January 22, 2017, 04:24:33 PM »
It seems that people believe "public" is only applicable to Federal. State owned lands are also "public". Am I wrong?
State's don't have the budget to manage additional state land and would likely sell.

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Re: Transfer of Federal Public Lands?
« Reply #41 on: January 22, 2017, 04:32:52 PM »
Also many state and county lands no access to limited access. only fed land in WA must provide public access. look at past state granted land in the western states. most state have sold off more than 65% of the allotted  land.

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Re: Transfer of Federal Public Lands?
« Reply #42 on: January 22, 2017, 04:48:20 PM »
state land easier to be sold so we all lose it  short of it

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Re: Transfer of Federal Public Lands?
« Reply #43 on: January 23, 2017, 07:35:25 AM »
Can a mod move this to the main forum? This really should be at the forefront for all to see and discuss, not hidden in the deer area.  :twocents:

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Re: Transfer of Federal Public Lands?
« Reply #44 on: January 23, 2017, 08:19:45 AM »
Considering the fact that the private sectors current answers to hunting involve exclusion and exclusivity until which time the land is holding of more value to be developed, I don't see that route as the best direction. That leaves a buffet of state and federal agencies. State agency control of public land is like playing Russian roulette when compared to federal control. I'd rather stick with the feds in this case.

Sure the USFS has its short comings, unmitigated logging was counter punched with basically the 'do nothing' management policy we currently have. The impact on hunting, especially on the west side has been significant.

Due to the land management policy change coinciding with our states abandonment of aggressive predator control plus various diseases it's difficult to absolutely claim which factor had the greatest influence. That being said it's blatantly obvious that the USFS management choices have had an impact on the westsides deer and elk populations.

Conservation organizations are making progress though and in several NF parcels that I frequent the changes they've made are helping improve the habitat.
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Re: Transfer of Federal Public Lands?
« Reply #45 on: January 23, 2017, 09:54:50 AM »
It seems that people believe "public" is only applicable to Federal. State owned lands are also "public". Am I wrong?

Federal public land and state public trust lands are very different. We own the federal public land. The state owns their trust lands and manage it for "us". They can close, regulate or sell it as they deem fit. Here's an example, we, the citizens, own the federal public land which allows us to come and go as we please, since it is ours. With state lands, we're the customer, not the owner, and the owner can refuse service to customers through regulation when they want. Just look at Colorado, you're not even allowed to hunt on their state trust lands, it's not legal.

X2 that this thread needs to be moved to the general area so it can get more exposure on the forum.

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Re: Transfer of Federal Public Lands?
« Reply #46 on: January 23, 2017, 10:19:17 AM »
I would urge all hunters to watch the above mentioned series of videos by Randy Newberg.  And please, watch all 16 of the videos to get a complete perspective; it doesn't take much time.  I know many hunters don't want to face the fact that the politicians that are supporting this are their beloved, 2nd Amendment supporting Republicans, but it's the truth.

Just go to YouTube and do a search for Randy Newberg Public Land Transfer and all 16 videos will come up.

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Re: Transfer of Federal Public Lands?
« Reply #47 on: January 23, 2017, 10:40:20 AM »
Regarding state trust lands, do a search on Colorado's issues with the subject. CPW having to pay out of its coffer to gain access for public hunting and fishing, currently the majority is still locked.
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Re: Transfer of Federal Public Lands?
« Reply #48 on: January 23, 2017, 02:28:59 PM »
Can a mod move this to the main forum? This really should be at the forefront for all to see and discuss, not hidden in the deer area.  :twocents:

Sorry about that. I have never even looked at the main forum before but now that I have I agree that would be a more appropriate location for this.

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Re: Transfer of Federal Public Lands?
« Reply #49 on: January 23, 2017, 03:38:15 PM »
I would urge all hunters to watch the above mentioned series of videos by Randy Newberg.  And please, watch all 16 of the videos to get a complete perspective; it doesn't take much time.  I know many hunters don't want to face the fact that the politicians that are supporting this are their beloved, 2nd Amendment supporting Republicans, but it's the truth.

Just go to YouTube and do a search for Randy Newberg Public Land Transfer and all 16 videos will come up.

His podcasts are also available
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