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Electronic calls illegal in WA ?
« on: October 08, 2007, 05:42:51 PM »
Not sure if this is true or not, but I found it on another site. The topic was discussing calls for deer then moved on to Ecalls.

I just talked to the WDFW enforcement and they said they are in the process of making ALL ELECTRONIC CALLS illigal because "IT IS TO DANGEROUS, BECAUSE YOU MIGHT CALL IN BEARS OR COUGARS IF YOU ARE CALLING COYOTES" MY RESPONSE WAS "AND TAHT IS A BAD THING?" so use them while we can. And you can use them on anything besides waterfowl, wild turkeys, or deer........
bear, cougar, elk, racoon, coyote, fox,hog, rabitt, bobcat, goat, moose, big horn, crow are all far game.


Anyone hear anything like this? I will try to make a call to Enforcement in the morning.




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Re: Electronic calls illegal in WA ?
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2007, 05:50:48 PM »
THey are just following suit to some other states.  Thats what our state does.  Idaho went, I think Montana might be as well, so Washington feels the need because they can't do or come up with anything on their own.

Why not just say, its not fair to the animals and its to effective like the mojo duck.  Nope, we are going to try to appeal to the emotional side of us all.  We are here to protect you dumb asses that go out into the woods and pretend to be bear bait.  We can't think for ourselves.  I think they should pass a law that says we can't leave our homes if it snows.  It might be dangerous.  Its in the name of the children of those coyote hunters that got eatin while out calling.  They had no idea that a cougar or bear might come into a predator call?????????

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Re: Electronic calls illegal in WA ?
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2007, 05:53:09 PM »
Quote
I think they should pass a law that says we can't leave our homes if it snows.  It might be dangerous.

on this side, for some people, that should be law.

back to topic.

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Re: Electronic calls illegal in WA ?
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2007, 05:55:54 PM »
I think banning electronic calls is just plain not needed. If there's any truth behind this I wouldn't be surprised.

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Re: Electronic calls illegal in WA ?
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2007, 06:37:57 PM »
The logic doesn't work. I'd be interested to know if it's true, or a rumor, Billy. I'll join in on jumping all over that one with e-mails, calls, and letters. It's far SAFER to use an e-call while calling cougar or bear. I hunt alone alot, and love to hand call, but the e-call is the best way to solo hunt the big ones. It's just as likely to bring a big predator in to a hand call while calling coyotes, and it's coming to you, not to a remote call 50 yards away. If they want to ban them, we'll at least make them say what they really want.
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Re: Electronic calls illegal in WA ?
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2007, 07:33:33 PM »
Its just plain and simple.  They don't know a damn thing, and some clueless biotch somewhere has an agenda.  If they are really going to stand behind there, We are going to have to protect you atitude.....bah humbug.  Fits right into what Huntwa was saying in another thread about them trying to think for us......

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Re: Electronic calls illegal in WA ?
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2007, 08:19:20 PM »
i use my Fx5 to try to call cougar's away from me. i've gotten up from hand calling and had several different cougar's behind me. it doesnt surprise me. another game warden last year in Ellensburg was a prick when i asked if he knew of any problem cougar's. Rick
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Re: Electronic calls illegal in WA ?
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2007, 09:08:20 PM »
Well, my plan is to hire BearManRic if E-calls become illegal!

Have you all heard him? His calling is an unfair advantage that game animals aren't suited to combat! ;)

He did some calling and then handed me the call that Ive been using since. I think he wanted to protect the animals so he broke it! because it sure doesnt work like when it was in his hand...lol

but on ecalls, whats the problem? The e calls use CD's of a guy blowing on a hand call...

how is that any different than me bribing Ric into calling for me?

I dont own a e call simply because its illegal in the last 4 states I lived...why...because it seemed like a good thing to outlaw!

I have no problem with using e calls! They are cheaper than feeding and housing BearManRic..lol

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Re: Electronic calls illegal in WA ?
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2007, 07:02:53 PM »
This afternoon I called the Enforcement number from the website and asked to talk with someone about the legality of electronic calls. The quoted text is her exact words that I wrote down.

The lady said that they "might become illegal" in the future due to mis-use such as using them for deer/turks/ducks, but there is "nothing in the works". When I mentioned the post I discovered she asked "what website?" and I just told her it was a hunting site. She stated "we had a meeting with Education and that has not come up". I asked "Mik" and she stated "yes".

So I called Mik in Hunter Education.
I told him that I wanted to know if electronic calls will be illegal for bears and cougar or if any changes were happening for next year. He replied, "Couldn't tell you, if I could I would predict the lottery", and "I don't want to speculate on next year". When I told him about the post he said, "Mentioned?, very possible but I have not heard anything".

He was very noncommittal and almost hedging in my opinion. When I told him that I don't use Ecalls, but did not want to lose the "right" (yea, I know) he told me to watch the website for proposed rule changes and annual meetings. When I told him that calling, including ecalls was an effective way to control predators under todays laws, he told me to write to the Commission and tell them of my experiences.

All and all I am a bit wary. The right hand does not know what the left hand is doing down there.




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Re: Electronic calls illegal in WA ?
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2007, 08:33:05 PM »
so there going to take them away. i hate there gut's. i've had nothing but *censored* from the game warden's. they are so rude. just make's you feel like there againts hunting. i dont know one person that misuse's them. sorry guy's i live for predator calling it is what i do. will have to go out of state for it too maybe. Rick
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Re: Electronic calls illegal in WA ?
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2007, 09:01:05 PM »
bearmanric, I was always told that the first question on the test to become a warden is "are you an a**hole?" if you answer yes you may proceed. They few run in's with game wardens in my past have been nothing but rude experiences in this state.

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Re: Electronic calls illegal in WA ?
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2007, 11:02:56 PM »
Sent an e-mail to the Commission. Well worded, formal, with some frendliness. Clear, and respectful.

Hope to keep informed, but you fellers post whatever you hear.

My interactions with WDFW have been fine, but I've been lucky enough to befriend local wardens up to now. I have law enforcement experience, so I've been able to de-stress the contacts, make friends, and have good interactions with them. (Also go out of my way to obey the laws, which can be annoying, but it helps.) The guys I knew have both retired, so I need to search out and meet the new guys. See what I can establish.

All is not lost, but with the voting ignoramus block along Puget Sound, it's a losing battle. We need to carefully and courteously comment and exchange with the Commission, because when stuff like this leaves their confrence room and goes to a popular vote, you know we lose.
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Re: Electronic calls illegal in WA ?
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2007, 06:05:21 AM »
Well said Rainshadow.
I will be sending the commission a letter this week as well.




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Re: Electronic calls illegal in WA ?
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2007, 06:16:23 AM »
I can honestly say I have never had a bad run in with a gmae warden from this state or any other actually. Mostly very pleasant and appreciated.  It probably has something to do with my demeanor. Now as for tribal cops..... we won't go there.

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Re: Electronic calls illegal in WA ?
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2007, 06:19:10 AM »
so there going to take them away. i hate there gut's. i've had nothing but *censored* from the game warden's. they are so rude. just make's you feel like there againts hunting. i dont know one person that misuse's them. sorry guy's i live for predator calling it is what i do. will have to go out of state for it too maybe. Rick

Bearman, It is what they didn't say that bothers me. They did not say they would be illegal, but they did not say they would be legal next year either. Kind of confusing to me..




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Re: Electronic calls illegal in WA ?
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2007, 08:23:57 AM »
i get frustrated becauce if the vote we lose.the could say bowhunting is inhumane and it would pass. i dont know what the deal is. but on the coast those game Warden's are rude. i have met nice one's just not many. Rick
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Re: Electronic calls illegal in WA ?
« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2007, 09:31:38 AM »
The thing is, they probably WILL say bowhunting should be banned next. If they haven't already. We have to figure out how to make these stupid stupid things die on the table, prior to coming to a vote. We can get all mad and stomp around, and rightly so, but that doesn't get anything done, and the socialist urbanized robot liberals along the Sound win again.

Something like this, we need to present an intelligent and courteous position to the powers that be, opposing the thought of new regulations. That way the Commission knows (maybe realizes for the first time) there's two sides to the issue. We're not just a gaggle of redneck tobacco dipping poachers. We're legitimate sportsmen, taxpayers, business owners, parents, etc. and we want them to see the whole picture.

I've studied politics, and when you're talking about things that are still in committee, there's plenty of opportunity to have your voice heard. Just do it VERY carefully.
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Re: Electronic calls illegal in WA ?
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2007, 04:07:59 PM »
Thing is this, in this state they dont have to go to a vote. Here hunting is legally a "privilege not a right" the Game Commision could shut down all hunting tomorrow. They wont. When electronic calls were banned for Turkeys last year I read the entire minutes of the public meeting. That ban is based on one old hunters testimony. You MUST go to the public meetings of the Game Commission and testify.
The reason the Hound Hunting and baiting went to a vote was the Game comission woukd NOT ban it. Game Dept. was against the ban.
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Re: Electronic calls illegal in WA ?
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2007, 08:25:07 PM »
nice posts fellas.  I just hope all this is a rumor.  I looked all thru the WDFW site last night and saw nothing in the press releases, updated news, or topics for 07-08 changes.  What I think we can do proactively is start to get some of those great landowners who have definitely benefitted from us predators hunters that utilize e-callers, to write the commission members from their local areas and give real-life stories about how much they lose every year to predation by coyotes ($900-$1200 per cow/calf pair they lose).  I know the ranchers I hunt for make it known how much they appreciate our skills in calling in coyotes and comment on how much they have seen in reductions in livestock losses since we started working their ranches.  Proof comes from their pocketbooks.  I know of several who would testify to our succcess in saving them $$.  I know we can call them in with "mouth calls", but politicians and Westies telling us that we need to ban e-calls because of potential collateral damages of unintended game responding to the call is like saying there are certain boats that we can fish out of so that we don't catch so many endangered salmon.  B.S!!

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Re: Electronic calls illegal in WA ?
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2007, 08:31:35 PM »
Radman, great first post.




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Re: Electronic calls illegal in WA ?
« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2007, 08:34:55 PM »
Thanks Billie.  They might be messing with one of my true passions so I am going to stand up for our rights to hunt by whatever method we use.  I just hope someone started a nasty rumor they over heard in a conversation.   :)

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Re: Electronic calls illegal in WA ?
« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2007, 08:53:56 PM »
I hope it is rumor or speculation.

Here is a link to the original post.

http://www.biggamehunt.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10237





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« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2007, 09:13:34 PM »
Billy, thanks for the link.  I did read and sounds like one man's speculative comment.  Although I have hunted for coyotes for years, I would love to have a cougar respond to my calls, e-call or otherwise.  If you as a hunter put yourself in a position to potentially call in a cougar or bear as well as the intended pursuit (coyotes) then you better be well aware of your immediate surroundings because in the field, more times than not, you become the hunted and could be completely unaware you are being watched.  I don't know how many times I have had the hair stand up on the back of my neck aware that there was likely a cougar staring at me but I couldn't find him anywhere.  But as part of my setups, I also purposefully choose my stands where I have not left my backside open to unforeseen critters putting the sneak on me.  I don't need politicians telling me to change my methods to attract my prey because some idiot got chowed by a bear that he didn't intend to attract while hunting other game.  that is my perspective, but that is like the small print on your chairlift ticket when you go skiing, you assume some risks of engaging in this activity, and hold harmless the facility that provides you the opportunity to partake in the sport.   8)

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Re: Electronic calls illegal in WA ?
« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2007, 12:32:41 PM »
I'd certainly send them a letter if anything surfaced which indicated they wanted to ban electronic calls. I have not seen any compelling evidence or studies which indicates there is an ethical or wildlife management reason to ban them. I do not personally use them but there may be a day when I might want to for whatever reason. Basically I can't imagine the use of electronic game calls being utilized as a reason for wildlife numbers dropping or management concerns of any valid nature. Smells like anti-hunters have gotten too much attention within our game departments' ranks to me. I think that the wdfw should be questioned on the motives behind the issue if it comes up.

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Re: Electronic calls illegal in WA ?
« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2007, 12:42:30 PM »
I think we have a "BINGO" !

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