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Re: Idaho 2015 record mule deer poached
« Reply #50 on: March 02, 2017, 01:23:39 PM »
I agree with Idahohntr- not the crime of the century. They DID have a tag. I think the fine was excessive. I also do not condone this but I don't consider it "poaching." Honestly if the dad wants his son to fill his tag that he drew, I almost don't see a reason why it shouldn't be legal. As long as the father is with him it seems like it doesn't make much difference who pulls the trigger. I'm also curious how this case was solved, they only had to deny it unless there was a witness.

I agree. Don't ever go to Minnesota or any of the other Midwest states. Party hunting is pretty normal.
I'm fine with it where it is legal.
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Re: Idaho 2015 record mule deer poached
« Reply #51 on: March 02, 2017, 01:26:56 PM »
What am I missing? :dunno:

this Wyohighcountry was known a "sketchy" site ran by a sketchy guy

Did Gary Nix own the site? :dunno:

Guy I got the email from said that he remembered both the father and son as being very active on it.

 I fail to see the relevance, but okay. :dunno:

 One of the biggest poaching rings ever in the PacNW involved guys like "rougheye" and his family that frequented this site, does that make this site shady? http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,84322.msg1052743.html#msg1052743
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Re: Idaho 2015 record mule deer poached
« Reply #52 on: March 02, 2017, 01:27:20 PM »
I agree with Idahohntr- not the crime of the century. They DID have a tag. I think the fine was excessive. I also do not condone this but I don't consider it "poaching." Honestly if the dad wants his son to fill his tag that he drew, I almost don't see a reason why it shouldn't be legal. As long as the father is with him it seems like it doesn't make much difference who pulls the trigger. I'm also curious how this case was solved, they only had to deny it unless there was a witness.
I agree with you more often than not - but not this time.  I include these guys in with the class of scum who break the rules for notoriety and gain.  The internet and hunting show celebrities, the gear reps, the article submitters and contest enterers who cheat to win - all scum in my book, and anathema to fair chase.  I'm glad they forfeited the head, since that is what they most craved - their own 'pedestal" in the look at me community.  They are no different than the spotlighters, closed season and trespassing scum in my opinion.  They are a blight within the hunting community, and a blight on the reputation of hunters with the nonhunting majority who support legal, regulated hunting done lawfully by hunters of integrity.

You have put into words my sentiments on this crap, particularly the part about internet and hunting show celebrities, the gear reps, the article submitters and contest enterers who cheat to win. 
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Re: Idaho 2015 record mule deer poached
« Reply #53 on: March 02, 2017, 01:30:08 PM »
What am I missing? :dunno:

this Wyohighcountry was known a "sketchy" site ran by a sketchy guy

Did Gary Nix own the site? :dunno:

Guy I got the email from said that he remembered both the father and son as being very active on it.

 I fail to see the relevance, but okay. :dunno:

 One of the biggest poaching rings ever in the PacNW involved guys like "rougheye" and his family that frequented this site, does that make this site shady?

The site was run by a flim-flammer and... from what I know about it, those who were most active on it were the epitome of internet and hunting show wanna' be celebrities, gear reps, article submitters and contest enterers who cheat to win.   

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Re: Idaho 2015 record mule deer poached
« Reply #54 on: March 02, 2017, 01:32:02 PM »
What am I missing? :dunno:

this Wyohighcountry was known a "sketchy" site ran by a sketchy guy

Did Gary Nix own the site? :dunno:

Guy I got the email from said that he remembered both the father and son as being very active on it.

 I fail to see the relevance, but okay. :dunno:

 One of the biggest poaching rings ever in the PacNW involved guys like "rougheye" and his family that frequented this site, does that make this site shady?

The site was run by a flim-flammer and, from what I know about it, those who were most active on it were the epitome of  internet and hunting show wanna' be celebrities, gear reps, article submitters and contest enterers

 Ah, got it. :tup:
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Re: Idaho 2015 record mule deer poached
« Reply #55 on: March 02, 2017, 01:38:31 PM »
I absolutely love this quote and think it really applies in this case.

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Re: Idaho 2015 record mule deer poached
« Reply #56 on: March 02, 2017, 01:41:28 PM »
Just a bunch of flim flammers.
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Re: Idaho 2015 record mule deer poached
« Reply #57 on: March 02, 2017, 01:43:52 PM »
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Re: Idaho 2015 record mule deer poached
« Reply #58 on: March 02, 2017, 01:45:41 PM »
Yeah I agree 100% with that Ryan Hatfield quote as well. The funny thing is if the same scenario happened but it was a doe, or a young little buck, they never would have been caught and most people wouldn't even care. But it's a record book buck so everyone's in an uproar over it.

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Re: Idaho 2015 record mule deer poached
« Reply #59 on: March 02, 2017, 01:52:29 PM »
Yeah I agree 100% with that Ryan Hatfield quote as well. The funny thing is if the same scenario happened but it was a doe, or a young little buck, they never would have been caught and most people wouldn't even care. But it's a record book buck so everyone's in an uproar over it.

I'm confident saying the only reason those guys got busted is because they posted it all over social media(greed). That's also the reason why everyone is in an uproar over it. I'm also confident saying they likely wouldn't have posted a doe or a small buck all over social media like that.
Were it not for social media, would any of us be in an uproar over Bullwinkle or any of the other questionable trophy animal kills we've seen on here over the years? No. We wouldn't.

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Re: Idaho 2015 record mule deer poached
« Reply #60 on: March 02, 2017, 01:54:12 PM »
Yeah I agree 100% with that Ryan Hatfield quote as well. The funny thing is if the same scenario happened but it was a doe, or a young little buck, they never would have been caught and most people wouldn't even care. But it's a record book buck so everyone's in an uproar over it.

That is true, but my take on it is:  These monster bucks are not unknown.  In fact a lot more people know about them than people would think.  They just don't go running their mouth about them to every Tom, Dick & Harry.  Here is another example of the wheels coming off one on one of these glory and fame seekers:  https://www.gohunt.com/read/news/breaking-story-230-inch-mule-deer-buck-poached-in-wyoming#gs.e55AhtQ

I think this clown got and served jail time. 

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Re: Idaho 2015 record mule deer poached
« Reply #61 on: March 02, 2017, 03:57:34 PM »
I wonder how IDFG solved this case...would seem incredibly difficult to prove without a guilty plea from Dad/son.  Was it being videoed? 

Idaho has a program that allows parents/grandparents to give tags to their minor children...not that the son in this case is a minor...but I guess I just don't see this as the crime of the century, particularly given Idaho currently supports some form of tag sharing among family.  All that said, I do not condone such actions - but I do think the punishment is probably about right...not too light.
You can give a tag to a minor child or grandchild but not in the heat of the moment, you have to file paperwork and you don't get to shoot several times or even hunt at all before the minor child/grandchild decides to take the tag so that's not even slightly relevant in this situation


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Re: Idaho 2015 record mule deer poached
« Reply #62 on: March 02, 2017, 04:45:33 PM »
I didn't read the entire thread so please don't hammer me, but I just want to know which unit this deer was killed in???  PM's please

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Re: Idaho 2015 record mule deer poached
« Reply #63 on: March 02, 2017, 07:31:33 PM »
Wow, ....myself and family have killed a few big bucks and bulls that would probably be in in some sort of "record book" and in the hundreds and hundreds of animals our family has taken in the state of Washington since the early 1900,s not a one was ever scored, even tho a few fish and game folks my family have been friends with over the last hundred years or so have wanted us to do so, or at least "advised" us to. I have posted some of the bucks on here a few years ago but have hundreds more pictures that I will not. The reason our family hunts has never been about "the score", but about "the hunt", "the experience", "the time spent with friends and family" and putting food on the table. Killing the "biggest animal on the block" has never been a motivator. The fame and fortune of taking a big buck or bull is not why we hunt, but unfortunately for some it is..... :twocents:

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Re: Idaho 2015 record mule deer poached
« Reply #64 on: March 02, 2017, 08:00:12 PM »
Yeah I agree 100% with that Ryan Hatfield quote as well. The funny thing is if the same scenario happened but it was a doe, or a young little buck, they never would have been caught and most people wouldn't even care. But it's a record book buck so everyone's in an uproar over it.

I'm confident saying the only reason those guys got busted is because they posted it all over social media(greed). That's also the reason why everyone is in an uproar over it. I'm also confident saying they likely wouldn't have posted a doe or a small buck all over social media like that.
Were it not for social media, would any of us be in an uproar over Bullwinkle or any of the other questionable trophy animal kills we've seen on here over the years? No. We wouldn't.
Only from the perspective that none of us would know about said poaching, or "questionable" kills...whether a poacher posts his kill on social media or hides it in a closet and never speaks about said trophy has no bearing on my view of a poaching incident. 
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Re: Idaho 2015 record mule deer poached
« Reply #65 on: March 02, 2017, 08:02:13 PM »
I didn't read the entire thread so please don't hammer me, but I just want to know which unit this deer was killed in???  PM's please

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Re: Idaho 2015 record mule deer poached
« Reply #66 on: March 02, 2017, 08:33:04 PM »
I didn't read the entire thread so please don't hammer me, but I just want to know which unit this deer was killed in???  PM's please

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I hunted by Paris down there one year, the poaching was obvious. Never went back, but that hunt was an over the counter tag. 

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Re: Idaho 2015 record mule deer poached
« Reply #67 on: March 02, 2017, 08:47:17 PM »
I didn't read the entire thread so please don't hammer me, but I just want to know which unit this deer was killed in???  PM's please

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I hunted by Paris down there one year, the poaching was obvious. Never went back, but that hunt was an over the counter tag.

Jerry, it was in Bonneville county, so one of the LE tags in there...
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Re: Idaho 2015 record mule deer poached
« Reply #68 on: March 02, 2017, 09:18:29 PM »
Wow, ....myself and family have killed a few big bucks and bulls that would probably be in in some sort of "record book" and in the hundreds and hundreds of animals our family has taken in the state of Washington since the early 1900,s not a one was ever scored, even tho a few fish and game folks my family have been friends with over the last hundred years or so have wanted us to do so, or at least "advised" us to. I have posted some of the bucks on here a few years ago but have hundreds more pictures that I will not. The reason our family hunts has never been about "the score", but about "the hunt", "the experience", "the time spent with friends and family" and putting food on the table. Killing the "biggest animal on the block" has never been a motivator. The fame and fortune of taking a big buck or bull is not why we hunt, but unfortunately for some it is..... :twocents:
I have killed 5 animals that would have qualified for state records or record books.  My very best hunting buddy, who is a phenomenal and honest hunter, has a few in P&Y.  When I killed a bull that was eligible, he was disappointed I didn't enter it.  I think 15 years on now, he understands why.
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Re: Idaho 2015 record mule deer poached
« Reply #69 on: March 03, 2017, 09:50:16 AM »
The story is very vague how they say it... I've kept up on this story for a while and the father had hit the deer and the son finished it off without a license. I guess I'm old school but I don't see anything wrong with that; better than letting it go off and die. But I don't see anything wrong with putting a deer out of it misery if its back snapped and its laying in the ditch suffering. Good thing I'm always to the book  8)
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Re: Idaho 2015 record mule deer poached
« Reply #70 on: March 03, 2017, 05:49:52 PM »
The story is very vague how they say it... I've kept up on this story for a while and the father had hit the deer and the son finished it off without a license. I guess I'm old school but I don't see anything wrong with that; better than letting it go off and die. But I don't see anything wrong with putting a deer out of it misery if its back snapped and its laying in the ditch suffering. Good thing I'm always to the book  8)


I agree the penalty was too much especially if the buck was already hit. They are Not the same as the poacher who shoots something out of season and without a tag or in season without a tag. 

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Re: Idaho 2015 record mule deer poached
« Reply #71 on: March 03, 2017, 05:56:15 PM »
The story is very vague how they say it... I've kept up on this story for a while and the father had hit the deer and the son finished it off without a license. I guess I'm old school but I don't see anything wrong with that; better than letting it go off and die. But I don't see anything wrong with putting a deer out of it misery if its back snapped and its laying in the ditch suffering. Good thing I'm always to the book  8)


I agree the penalty was too much especially if the buck was already hit. They are Not the same as the poacher who shoots something out of season and without a tag or in season without a tag.
I tend to agree, they were honest with Leo and that is what got them in trouble.  I also agree that if this was a small 3 point or doe, we wouldn't be talking about this.

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Re: Idaho 2015 record mule deer poached
« Reply #72 on: March 03, 2017, 06:00:47 PM »
Furthermore, my dad is 75 years old, if he finally drew a big bull or deer tag, and he wounded an animal of this caliber or any size, and I had a chance to finish it off and recover the animal, done deal.  Roast away !

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Re: Idaho 2015 record mule deer poached
« Reply #73 on: March 03, 2017, 06:06:45 PM »
Furthermore, my dad is 75 years old, if he finally drew a big bull or deer tag, and he wounded an animal of this caliber or any size, and I had a chance to finish it off and recover the animal, done deal.  Roast away !


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Re: Idaho 2015 record mule deer poached
« Reply #74 on: March 03, 2017, 06:26:52 PM »
I'll bet the Law Office of Hormel.LLC could have argued that the regs were vague about family members being able to give tags to each other.
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