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Offline Slow73

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Arrow weight and camo
« on: March 19, 2017, 11:13:10 PM »
Hi all I have two questions:

a) I'm a little confused about arrow weight. I will be shooting 250 grain CE Piledriver Hunter with 100 grain G5 Montecs. By my math that equals 350 grains but seems that's not so when I read others who are shooting similar weight arrows and heads. They seem to get a heavier weighted setup. Why is that?

b) What is a good camo pattern for the early bow season around here? I'm thinking Mossyoak Obsession or Realtree Xtra Green. I will mostly likely be hunting from the ground employing a fabric blind. What do you suggest?

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Re: Arrow weight and camo
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2017, 11:19:18 PM »
I think your look at spine. Look at how many grn per inch (gpi) the arrows are. State has a min arrow weight.

As to camo any really unless your after turkey. Turkey have very good sight. Deer and elk can't see colors like we do. Look for a pattern to helps break up your out line
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Re: Arrow weight and camo
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2017, 11:40:29 PM »
I believe you are at 10.4 grains per inch. Multiply your arrow length by 10.4 and add broad head weight.

http://www.carbonexpressarrows.com/archery/hunting-arrows/piledriver--hunter

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Re: Arrow weight and camo
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2017, 11:52:33 PM »
I believe you are at 10.4 grains per inch. Multiply your arrow length by 10.4 and add broad head weight.

http://www.carbonexpressarrows.com/archery/hunting-arrows/piledriver--hunter
Yeah I did that but was coming up short from what they were stating. Oh well look like I'll have well over 400 gr.

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Re: Arrow weight and camo
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2017, 11:53:56 PM »
Really need more info, arrow length mostly.

demontang is right.  The 250 on the shaft refers to the spine of the shaft.  The grains per inch should be on the shaft in really small print.  If not it's available on their website.  Real quick, spine refers to the flexibility of the shaft.  The 250 ought to be good to about 60 lbs at 29".  Remember to do the calculation for adjusted peak weight of the bow.  It does matter!   :tup:
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Re: Arrow weight and camo
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2017, 11:58:22 PM »
I believe you are at 10.4 grains per inch. Multiply your arrow length by 10.4 and add broad head weight.

http://www.carbonexpressarrows.com/archery/hunting-arrows/piledriver--hunter
Yeah I did that but was coming up short from what they were stating. Oh well look like I'll have well over 400 gr.

Did you add the 25 grains for the components?  :dunno:
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Re: Arrow weight and camo
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2017, 12:05:22 AM »
As for the camo...it really doesn't matter.  Back in the day we killed plenty of animals wearing red  and black checked mackinaws.   :chuckle:  Breaking up your outline is what's important.  Any forest type camo will work on the west side. 
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Re: Arrow weight and camo
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2017, 02:43:40 AM »
I believe you are at 10.4 grains per inch. Multiply your arrow length by 10.4 and add broad head weight.

http://www.carbonexpressarrows.com/archery/hunting-arrows/piledriver--hunter
Yeah I did that but was coming up short from what they were stating. Oh well look like I'll have well over 400 gr.

Did you add the 25 grains for the components?  :dunno:

Blazer vane 6 grains X 3 = 18 grains
Insert = 11 grains
Bulldog Collar = 4 grains
Launchpad Nock = 10 grains
............
Total = 43 grains
perhaps some glue weight so figure 45 grains

I've seen Montec vary in weight out of package too.
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Re: Arrow weight and camo
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2017, 12:32:12 PM »
I believe you are at 10.4 grains per inch. Multiply your arrow length by 10.4 and add broad head weight.

http://www.carbonexpressarrows.com/archery/hunting-arrows/piledriver--hunter
Yeah I did that but was coming up short from what they were stating. Oh well look like I'll have well over 400 gr.

Did you add the 25 grains for the components?  :dunno:
Ahh that. That's prolly where the extra weight I'm seeing is coming from.  :bash:

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Re: Arrow weight and camo
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2017, 01:13:39 PM »
Just throwing this out FYI.  Heavier arrow set ups (total weight of 450 GNs and up) are better for many reasons (better penetration, make your bow quieter/less vibration as they absorb the bow's stored energy better, and are arguably easier to tune).  Camo?  Pattern is not nearly as important as material!  Get clothing that can be layered for maximum effectiveness, and, ensure you have good moisture wicking base and mid layers (merino wool or poly/poly blend).     
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Re: Arrow weight and camo
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2017, 01:58:45 AM »
For camo this is what I got with for early season and if it's cold I throw on long underwear underneath. This is my all time favorite early season camo I have worn. It's super quiet literally I can not hear it at all. I wear the silent hunter pants as well. Good camo at a very reasonable price. I'm going to order another pair because I lost quite a bit of weight and need to buy large. I like the chest pocket in the shirt, usually keep my range finder around my neck but inside the pocket to keep the weight off so it's not annoying and then it's accessible as well.
http://www.rockyboots.com/rocky-mens-apparel/rocky-silenthunter-1%2F4-zip-shirt/600546.html?dwvar_600546_color=AP#pmin=0&sz=20&start=1

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Re: Arrow weight and camo
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2017, 09:32:26 AM »
Camo - I have pretty strict requirements.  What ever pattern is on sale. 

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Re: Arrow weight and camo
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2017, 01:17:06 AM »
Thanks all for the responses. After reading the replies I'm certain my arrows are now closer to 400gr. Wish I could have asked this question earlier because I would have gotten the 350's instead but CE recommended the 250's based on my set up. I'm am already invested in a dozen 250 Piledrivers so ain't no changing now lol. And as far as the camo yall have really helped to calm my nerves about desperately trying to perfectly match my surrounding since I'm a ground hunter and will choose based on potential noise, price and availability. What about clothing with supposed scentlock built in? Waste of money?

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Re: Arrow weight and camo
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2017, 09:08:50 AM »
Thanks all for the responses. After reading the replies I'm certain my arrows are now closer to 400gr. Wish I could have asked this question earlier because I would have gotten the 350's instead but CE recommended the 250's based on my set up. I'm am already invested in a dozen 250 Piledrivers so ain't no changing now lol. And as far as the camo yall have really helped to calm my nerves about desperately trying to perfectly match my surrounding since I'm a ground hunter and will choose based on potential noise, price and availability. What about clothing with supposed scentlock built in? Waste of money?

It depends on who you talk to on the sent blocker. 

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Re: Arrow weight and camo
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2017, 09:30:48 AM »
Thanks all for the responses. After reading the replies I'm certain my arrows are now closer to 400gr. Wish I could have asked this question earlier because I would have gotten the 350's instead but CE recommended the 250's based on my set up. I'm am already invested in a dozen 250 Piledrivers so ain't no changing now lol. And as far as the camo yall have really helped to calm my nerves about desperately trying to perfectly match my surrounding since I'm a ground hunter and will choose based on potential noise, price and availability. What about clothing with supposed scentlock built in? Waste of money?

I've had great results wearing layered clothing, merino baselayers, fleece and then a less permeable outer shell. Avoiding sweating, eating spiced foods, scented deodorant, and breathing through your nose probably make the biggest difference along with what you wash your clothes with.

If a deer is downwind, he'll probably smell you but when and how clearly is why we go to great lengths to control our scent. Reality is, you can't always have the wind in your face and that's why we take those measures.

As far as perfectly matching your surroundings, don't break a sweat or your budget. Break up your outline and be still. Those are more important than patterns or price
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Re: Arrow weight and camo
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2017, 09:42:05 AM »
I think it was Gerry Blair who set up and called in predators to within feet of himself while wearing a Santa suit to make the point that it is imperative to stay still and illustrate that all the latest camo patterns are way over rated. 

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Re: Arrow weight and camo
« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2017, 09:46:15 AM »
What about clothing with supposed scentlock built in? Waste of money?
In a word, yes. There's not much hunting in the western United States that won't have you doing tome huffing and puffing. As soon as you break a sweat your putting out odor your clothing can't control. Get a puffer bottle with powdered smoke and you'll be far better off than investing in Scent Blocker type clothing. 

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Re: Arrow weight and camo
« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2017, 09:53:10 AM »
For arrows,as long as you can hit where you aim on a regular basis and have a sharp broadhead your good.For camo,fleece is best.Early season no base layer,Late season merino wool underneath.I don't worry about scent at all.Move slow,soft steps.Animals will hear or see your movement long before they smell you.Might be different in a blind.I hunt 100% spot and stalk.

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Re: Arrow weight and camo
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2017, 01:59:39 AM »
I agree. Imo with Archery use wind as your advantage. I don't use any scent lock clothing. I do wash my hunting camo before season with scent killer detergent. And spray down a bit with scent killer spray. I've had deer walk 3 feet from me while on the ground and lick my ladder on my treestand. I love the camo I linked in my previous reply because you literally can't hear it. It is not water resistant though so you will get wet. But early season being wet for me isn't a huge issue. Sound and movement are your 2 biggest factors. Those are the only 2 things that I've noticed I get busted by from deer. Elk if they are down wind odds are your busted regardless of what you wear. No need to buy camo that's 150-200 a piece. Invest is really good boots and good thermals that wick moister for the colder days. Or multiple boots. I have my heavy duty boots and my light hikers for most days for when it's nice out.

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Re: Arrow weight and camo
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2017, 05:47:30 AM »
Fleece on the wet side gets hung up in every blackberry vine you get near.  That makes more noise than fleece prevents.  I will put up with a bit noisier clothing that is not hung up like Velcro in black berries.

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Re: Arrow weight and camo
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2017, 11:12:31 AM »
Yes I stand corrected. Arrow components do add some weight add can affect your FOC. I use a reloading scale to sort my arrows with broad heads.
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