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Copper, VLD or bonded bullet?
« on: March 21, 2017, 11:09:10 AM »
Just curious what y'all prefer for black bears. Always fun to learn what others like and what may or may not have worked in the field.
I've got experience with the heavy 150gr Matrix VLD in a 6.5mm Sherman and fat, slow moving 355gr hardcast out of a 44 carbine.
Both of which worked for my needs, but the VLD left a bit to be desired at close range compared to the hardcast. Each bullet left a very dead bear.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2017, 12:14:21 PM by PNW4Life »

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Re: Copper, VLD or bonded bullet?
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2017, 11:11:56 AM »
Ive only killed two bears...270 win....a 130 gr Interlock and a 150 Barnes.  Neither bear went further than 10 feet. Shot placement,  shot placement, shot placement.
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Re: Copper, VLD or bonded bullet?
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2017, 11:43:02 AM »
I've killed bears with arrows, Berger hybrids, nosler ballistic tips, and partitions. All worked just fine. Shoot them in the vitals and they will die.

80 yards with a fast moving 215 Berger was a bit messy but 30 yards with a 260 grain partition made a 1.5 inch wound through and through.

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Re: Copper, VLD or bonded bullet?
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2017, 12:36:23 PM »
168gr Barnes ttsx has worked great for me! Only one has ran 50 yards..the rest have been DRT.  :tup:

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Re: Copper, VLD or bonded bullet?
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2017, 01:46:44 PM »
I have killed two mature bucks over the last two years with Federal Fusion 150 g. 30-06.  In seeing how well they performed, I am planning on using them for black bear.

But, I am open for suggestions, comments, etc.

Certainly, shot placement is key.

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Re: Copper, VLD or bonded bullet?
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2017, 02:20:20 PM »
I have killed two mature bucks over the last two years with Federal Fusion 150 g. 30-06.  In seeing how well they performed, I am planning on using them for black bear.

But, I am open for suggestions, comments, etc.

Certainly, shot placement is key.

This fall I'm hoping/planning to run the 181gr Hammer Hunter on everything with my new 300 WSM. I'm fairly certain it will stomp all animals I point it out.
My old 6.5mm shot the 150gr Matrix VLDs accurately and successfully on black bear a few years ago. Just hit them in the boiler room and they will die.

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Re: Copper, VLD or bonded bullet?
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2017, 02:32:38 PM »
I'm not a bear hunter but have shot a few other critters....my experience has led me to beleave lead isn't ment to be pushed super fast....that when it hits and "disintegrates" super fast it doesn't transfer energy as well compared to when it disintegrates at a slower rate....thus why bergers do so well at long range....the hydrostatic shock is greater with the bullet moving slower.....it makes zero sence why a whitetail @ 70 yards can get hit by 200 pluss grain bullet @ over 3200 fps and be able to absorb the blow and trot off compared to a bull elk @ 500 getting rocked by a 185 bullet going much much slower....or the spike elk at 70 yards that trots off almost uninjured with a hand cannon compared to the whitetail @ 70 yards that is hammered by alil ol 7x57 with stupid slow bullets

After being around a few kills it's just what I've noticed, I know bullblaster has a different option and that's cool too...few years ago I would have agreed with him ! But anymore I'm super curious on the bigger slower lead bullets or the coppers....I know lead kills and does so pretty good but curiosity usually gets the best of me  :chuckle:


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Re: Copper, VLD or bonded bullet?
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2017, 02:36:43 PM »
I have killed two mature bucks over the last two years with Federal Fusion 150 g. 30-06.  In seeing how well they performed, I am planning on using them for black bear.

But, I am open for suggestions, comments, etc.

Certainly, shot placement is key.

This fall I'm hoping/planning to run the 181gr Hammer Hunter on everything with my new 300 WSM. I'm fairly certain it will stomp all animals I point it out.
My old 6.5mm shot the 150gr Matrix VLDs accurately and successfully on black bear a few years ago. Just hit them in the boiler room and they will die.

After watching some of the tests Steve is doing I'm going to give hammers ago as well......hopefully going to either do the 299 grain or 331 grain dead blows starting out around 2400 fps.....can't wait to see a whitetail try and walk that off !!

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Re: Copper, VLD or bonded bullet?
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2017, 02:39:31 PM »
I use an annealed 140gr hornady sst in my .270, and an annealed 162 gr sst in my 7mm mag for everything.

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Re: Copper, VLD or bonded bullet?
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2017, 02:46:15 PM »
Black bears are burly everywhere it doesn't count. Meaning they have thin skin and relatively light bones. Shoot whatever works in your rifle for deer and elk.
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Re: Copper, VLD or bonded bullet?
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2017, 02:48:05 PM »
I'm not a bear hunter but have shot a few other critters....my experience has led me to beleave lead isn't ment to be pushed super fast....that when it hits and "disintegrates" super fast it doesn't transfer energy as well compared to when it disintegrates at a slower rate....thus why bergers do so well at long range....the hydrostatic shock is greater with the bullet moving slower.....it makes zero sence why a whitetail @ 70 yards can get hit by 200 pluss grain bullet @ over 3200 fps and be able to absorb the blow and trot off compared to a bull elk @ 500 getting rocked by a 185 bullet going much much slower....or the spike elk at 70 yards that trots off almost uninjured with a hand cannon compared to the whitetail @ 70 yards that is hammered by alil ol 7x57 with stupid slow bullets

After being around a few kills it's just what I've noticed, I know bullblaster has a different option and that's cool too...few years ago I would have agreed with him ! But anymore I'm super curious on the bigger slower lead bullets or the coppers....I know lead kills and does so pretty good but curiosity usually gets the best of me  :chuckle:
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Re: Copper, VLD or bonded bullet?
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2017, 02:50:02 PM »
Black bears are burly everywhere it doesn't count. Meaning they have thin skin and relatively light bones. Shoot whatever works in your rifle for deer and elk.
:yeah: seems like they can be some of the easiest animals to kill and some of the hardest at the same time.  :chuckle: sometimes they just die and sometimes they take some convincing.  :chuckle:

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Re: Copper, VLD or bonded bullet?
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2017, 02:58:24 PM »
350 grain wadcutters out of the .45/70 lies them down very quick. With that gun, I'd prefer a frontal shot or quartering to/away just because I know that bullet is going to keep on going
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Re: Copper, VLD or bonded bullet?
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2017, 03:14:14 PM »
I'm trying a 125 Savora TiCon

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Re: Copper, VLD or bonded bullet?
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2017, 03:27:44 PM »
A RAD TiCon  8)
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