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Offline BULLBLASTER

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Re: Idea to fix WA elk hunting.
« Reply #25 on: March 27, 2017, 08:28:20 PM »


I'd also like to see doing away with drawing for "permits" and shift to drawing for "tags" meaning if you draw a tag that is your season. If you draw a colockum bull tag that's all you get to hunt (can't hunt general season also).

Good ideas here, not that I think WA elk hunting is really all that broken)

I like this idea. So if you draw a special permit you're out of the general hunt? I could get behind that one.
yep. It would make people think about what permit they apply for. Not sure how it would work with the 638 permit category's we currently have tho.  :tung:

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Re: Idea to fix WA elk hunting.
« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2017, 08:44:59 PM »


So you could hunt any GMU in the region?

yes all units in that region.
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Re: Idea to fix WA elk hunting.
« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2017, 08:52:01 PM »
permit only for any bull elk in your region of choice weapon of your choice

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Re: Idea to fix WA elk hunting.
« Reply #28 on: March 27, 2017, 08:53:11 PM »
I seem to remember a time when you had to pick between western wa, se wa, or north central. Seems like it lasted a year or two that way. Maybe the 80's....?
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Re: Idea to fix WA elk hunting.
« Reply #29 on: March 27, 2017, 08:55:15 PM »
permit only for any bull elk in your region of choice weapon of your choice
Why do you think permit only would be beneficial to hunting in Washington as a whole?
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Re: Idea to fix WA elk hunting.
« Reply #30 on: March 27, 2017, 09:27:56 PM »
I don't see WA as having an issue with point creep... There is no units that took say 10 points last year that will take more than 10 this year.  Everyone has a chance, albeit slim, to draw any tag in the state. Guys every year are drawing quality tags with minimal points.  The only change I wouldn't mind seeing is a percentage of the special permits going to the highest point holder 25% maybe, But then we would have point creep :chuckle: I also like Idahos system much better, but WA is too invested in the point system to look back now IMO

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Re: Idea to fix WA elk hunting.
« Reply #31 on: March 29, 2017, 10:22:47 AM »
Per discussion with biologists and others familiar with the history of lk in the Blues, the spike only restriction is the reason we are now seeing 400" bulls running around those steep canyons. Back in the 90's (before my hunting days so I am going off word only) it was uncommon to find much more than 5 and small 6 points bulls in the area.

At one point the WDFW attempted a spike only restriction around Mt St Helens (90's timeframe) which lasted only one year. Here is a note from the 2001 Mt St Helens Elk Heard Plan:

"In an effort to meet WDFW bull elk survivorship objectives, several any-bull units
(GMUs 505, 516, 520, 550, and 560) were managed under a spike-only, branched
bull by permit harvesting strategy beginning in 1997. The 3-point GMUs (558 and
572) remained 3-pt minimum. Also in 1997, the general firearm season was
shortened from 12 to 9 days. The move to spike-only and the reduction in season
length were designed to determine if bull escapement could be increased. Public
sentiment resulted in the abolishment of spike-only regulations after 1 year. The
spike-only units were changed to 3-pt minimum units thereafter. "

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Re: Idea to fix WA elk hunting.
« Reply #32 on: March 30, 2017, 08:13:08 AM »
That idea doesn't make sense the bigger bulls are the breeders so want to keep them around. I don't see a huge problem with point system its all luck whether you have put in your whole life or not. I know people that have drawn quality or any bull tags with 4 to 5 points. it can happen just be patient its a better way to get your dream bull but if its a 3pt or better system first few years there will be big ones shot but after that nothing worth noting and herd sizes will go down

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Re: Idea to fix WA elk hunting.
« Reply #33 on: March 31, 2017, 12:03:43 PM »
I personally like the system we have.  There are way more bigger bulls now then there used to be.  Would I like to see less pressure, of course, but that's not going to happen with out going to a 100% draw system.  Would I like to be able to hunt the east side more often for branched antler bulls sure but then the quality would go down and the average size of bulls would go down.  Does it suck having to hunt the unit you want to only for spikes sure.
I guess my theory on that is if you don't kill the spikes they grow to maturity and become big bulls.  :dunno:

If it became permit only, only the rich would be able to afford it and I side with opportunity every time .
I'm 31 and since my parents didn't put me in for tags when I was a kid,  I can't expect a reasonable chance at ever drawing a blues tag in my lifetime . There are many people who never hunted until adulthood.Kids being born today will never catch the point creep in their lives. The permit system is faulty and a detriment to hunting as a whole in my eyes.
not enough elk for all the hunters if it wasn't permit for brach bulls the elk herd wouldn't hold up. It's a lottery to have a chance to get a big bull. The herds in the blues can't handle a free for all on branch bulls. Where I elk hunt my camp killed one bull before spike only. We have taken 12 spikes since spike only and we see tons of branch bulls. Elk aren't in the number to be hunted like deer.

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Re: Idea to fix WA elk hunting.
« Reply #34 on: April 02, 2017, 04:32:07 AM »
The main thing I would like to see changed in this states hunting program is much better predator control.  But until we get the people to get rid of the law banning hounds for cougars, and until we change our current wolf management plan nothing is going to change

Between predators, poachers and tribal take there isn't much that can be done to improve elk hunting in a state this size.
what in the wild wild world of sports???

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Re: Idea to fix WA elk hunting.
« Reply #35 on: April 02, 2017, 06:26:32 AM »
I think you were all born to be master hunters , so get up 430am head out to the local dive diner pull up a chair and start shareing all that stored up logic that makes so much sense , forget all these brilliant ideas and put more focus on what realy matters , the states profit margin and the preservation of there resources, its never about our benifit so oder a omlette and shut off. !!!  But great try !! But anyways now that im here i geuss pancakes are sounding a little better , i had the omlette yesterday .
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loction location location ! perzackly !

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Re: Idea to fix WA elk hunting.
« Reply #36 on: April 03, 2017, 08:30:49 AM »
Is the issue being fixed the spike only restriction for the Eastside or something else?

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Re: Idea to fix WA elk hunting.
« Reply #37 on: April 03, 2017, 09:32:50 AM »
I just was thinking of this yesterday on my drive back from my cabin in the Colockum.

For the past two years they have decided that the herd is over capacity and have given out a ton of cow tags.

Why didn't they try to work out a deal with the tribes to stop bull harvest in the winter?  If they asked the tribes to change their harvest from bulls to cows only in the winter months they would accomplish two things.  They would lower the number of cows and increase the number of bulls.

I believe the theory behind the bull only harvest in the winter is to not take out the baby factory.

This would of course reduce the number of cow tags but should increase the bull to cow ratio and promote better herd health.  It might also mean more bull tags in the future or at least get rid of the "true spike" thing and make it "spike only".

Seems like it would at least be worth having a conversation about.
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