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Why no WA general spring bear season?
« on: March 28, 2017, 07:55:51 PM »
I recently read that WA has the most bears of any state in the lower 48.  How come we don't have any general Spring bear seasons?  You'd think that with no bait and no hounds it wouldn't be a huge impact on the population - we already support a 3 month general season and most of that time bears are easier to find in the open snacking on berries.  It could still be limited to 2 a year, limited to units with sustainable population etc...  any thoughts?  The current draws are pretty undesirable for westsiders.

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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2017, 07:59:22 PM »
I'd be all for otc spring bear season!

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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2017, 08:00:57 PM »
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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2017, 08:02:04 PM »
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If they've got the season, I'd cough up the $$

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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2017, 08:05:14 PM »
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If they've got the season, I'd cough up the $$
It's the money from permit applications they would lose if they went to a general spring season.

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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2017, 08:06:37 PM »
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If they've got the season, I'd cough up the $$
Agreed, I spend enough in permit application fee,s. If it was OTC, I would buy one.

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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2017, 08:12:21 PM »
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If they've got the season, I'd cough up the $$
It's the money from permit applications they would lose if they went to a general spring season.

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About 4,000 applications at $7 each doesn't seem that much to lose to make up elsewhere. :dunno:
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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2017, 08:19:02 PM »
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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2017, 08:19:30 PM »
Because that makes sense, and we all know WDFW doesn't do things that does.  :lol4:
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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2017, 08:19:46 PM »
You think they make more money at 4000 tags a year,I think the permit is to keep the Greene  :tree1: people happy with calling damage hunt ,don't wanna damage those trees.
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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2017, 08:21:08 PM »
Tack a few bucks onto the cost of a bear tag to make up the lost revenue on permit apps and open her up!  Lets kill some predators!
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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2017, 08:23:18 PM »
Fewer bears = more deer = more deer hunters = more revenue. Win/win.
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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2017, 08:35:04 PM »
Because it is the exact opposite of their management goals, i.e. more predators=less hunters.
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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2017, 08:42:07 PM »
Tack a few bucks onto the cost of a bear tag to make up the lost revenue on permit apps and open her up!  Lets kill some predators!
That's the main problem. They don't want you killing their predators... :chuckle:

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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2017, 08:57:05 PM »
Tack a few bucks onto the cost of a bear tag to make up the lost revenue on permit apps and open her up!  Lets kill some predators!
That's the main problem. They don't want you killing their predators... :chuckle:

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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2017, 09:15:49 PM »
I would love to see a OTC spring hunt but it will never happen  :bash:
At least when we could bait and run dogs we could be selective on the bear we shot if it was small or young or whatever we could just pass on harvesting it, now I tend to believe more immature and sows get shot JUST because you can't judge as easy when opportunity knocks some shoot just because it's a bear and not THE bear  :twocents:
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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2017, 09:47:22 PM »
The main reason, I think, is wdfw really has no clue how many bear the state actually has, and they're afraid to open a spring season just in case the population might dip. They're studying a 15 square mile piece in the Cascades of North King County now trying to get a guess on what the bear density and hunter impact is there to extrapolate that across the state. That study will somehow be used to decide if a spring season is possible without negatively impacting the population.
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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2017, 09:55:50 PM »
The main reason, I think, is wdfw really has no clue how many bear the state actually has,

I find that difficult when sites like this get their data from the state

http://hopamerica.com/u-s-black-bear-population-by-state/


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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2017, 10:02:32 PM »
This topic has always bothered me.  I hope somebody with more time and knowledge will fill in the blanks.

Here is the main problem: WDFW already gives out substantial depredation tags to timber companies, which allow the killing of bears during the spring season.  These bears are indeed damaging trees, and the timber companies hire professional hunters to kill bears---but the harvest of said bears (meat, fur) is NOT allowed.  They drop them where they see them.  And, to make it more interesting, baiting and running of dogs is sometimes allowed.  Unfortunately for the sportsman hunter, we cannot participate in this harvest.  Our only hope is to pull a limited entry spring tag, and then often pay the timber company for the opportunity to trespass and hunt their property.

Could somebody research the number of bears killed every year by professional hunters on timber property, licensed by WDFW with depredation tags?  I saw numbers years ago, and it was much higher than the number of spring bears killed by sportsmen.
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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2017, 10:16:37 PM »
For the more mountainous areas, locating bears in spring is quite a bit easier than fall.  The more snow/lower the snow line/later the melt, the more of the mountain you don't have to hunt.

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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2017, 01:03:44 PM »
If it's a money argument for not having an over the counter spring tag, just do the whole state on a draw.....result, more$

Any gmu that is open to fall hunting could absolutely support giving out 5 or so special spring permits every year without any real effect....other than making some bear hunters happy!

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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2017, 01:10:46 PM »
The main reason, I think, is wdfw really has no clue how many bear the state actually has, and they're afraid to open a spring season just in case the population might dip. They're studying a 15 square mile piece in the Cascades of North King County now trying to get a guess on what the bear density and hunter impact is there to extrapolate that across the state. That study will somehow be used to decide if a spring season is possible without negatively impacting the population.

That's actually good news that they are even doing that!  :dunno:
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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2017, 01:20:30 PM »
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If they've got the season, I'd cough up the $$
It's the money from permit applications they would lose if they went to a general spring season.

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About 4,000 applications at $7 each doesn't seem that much to lose to make up elsewhere. :dunno:

Maybe charge the timber companies a fee for allowing a spring bears to be shot on their property.  WDFW is giving them a service right?

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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2017, 01:20:52 PM »
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If they've got the season, I'd cough up the $$
It's the money from permit applications they would lose if they went to a general spring season.

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Were it a state-wide general season, they'd probably sell a lot more tags here on the wetside where there aren't many open units under the present system.
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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2017, 01:23:57 PM »
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If they've got the season, I'd cough up the $$
It's the money from permit applications they would lose if they went to a general spring season.

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Were it a state-wide general season, they'd probably sell a lot more tags here on the wetside where there aren't many open units under the present system.

Agreed.  I also think bear hunting would be WAY more popular in the spring when there's not much else going on.  Lots of other fish/hunt activities competing for your time in the fall. 

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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2017, 01:24:04 PM »
This topic has always bothered me.  I hope somebody with more time and knowledge will fill in the blanks.

Here is the main problem: WDFW already gives out substantial depredation tags to timber companies, which allow the killing of bears during the spring season.  These bears are indeed damaging trees, and the timber companies hire professional hunters to kill bears---but the harvest of said bears (meat, fur) is NOT allowed.  They drop them where they see them.  And, to make it more interesting, baiting and running of dogs is sometimes allowed.  Unfortunately for the sportsman hunter, we cannot participate in this harvest.  Our only hope is to pull a limited entry spring tag, and then often pay the timber company for the opportunity to trespass and hunt their property.

Could somebody research the number of bears killed every year by professional hunters on timber property, licensed by WDFW with depredation tags?  I saw numbers years ago, and it was much higher than the number of spring bears killed by sportsmen.

This is another area where the WDFW could benefit hunters by putting pressure on the timber companies to allow licensed hunters to take their bears. What a waste it is now.
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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2017, 01:28:51 PM »
We had some talk in the northeast of trying an early over the counter hunt but it never happened. I think they could start with an early 2 week to 4 week season statewide to test the water and then add a week each year until we eventually have the full spring open. By doing it that way there would be very modest harvest the first year and they could tweak the season each year based on harvest numbers.
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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
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« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2017, 01:34:40 PM »
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I doubt they would like my wolf policy!  : :chuckle:
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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2017, 01:44:42 PM »
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I doubt they would like my wolf policy!  : :chuckle:
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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #30 on: March 29, 2017, 01:50:41 PM »
I recently read that WA has the most bears of any state in the lower 48.  How come we don't have any general Spring bear seasons?  You'd think that with no bait and no hounds it wouldn't be a huge impact on the population - we already support a 3 month general season and most of that time bears are easier to find in the open snacking on berries.  It could still be limited to 2 a year, limited to units with sustainable population etc...  any thoughts?  The current draws are pretty undesirable for westsiders.

There is no good reason to not have OTC spring bear.  Take the NE corner for example.  In Idaho you can hunt them OTC from April 15-June 15.  GMU 113 borders Idaho, and there isn't any spring bear season at all.  Draw or otherwise.  The reason WDFW gives is Grizzly habitat, so for those of you that favor Grizzlies please realize that they will only be used to further limit hunting.  WA has their head so far in the sand on predators they are absolutely beyond belief.  We are in a predator pit, and are rapidly heading towards the end of OTC hunting opportunities.   :bdid:

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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #31 on: March 29, 2017, 01:53:58 PM »
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I doubt they would like my wolf policy!  : :chuckle:
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I would get fired for demanding scientific management for robust populations of all species and maximizing recreational opportunities rather than pandering to antis and wolf groups.  :chuckle:
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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2017, 01:56:32 PM »
I would get fired for demanding scientific management for robust populations of all GAME species and maximizing recreational opportunities rather than pandering to antis and wolf groups.  :chuckle:
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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
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I would get fired for demanding scientific management for robust populations of all GAME species and maximizing recreational opportunities rather than pandering to antis and wolf groups.  :chuckle:
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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #34 on: March 29, 2017, 02:02:47 PM »
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I doubt they would like my wolf policy!  : :chuckle:

Ha! Imagine that - a scientific, wildlife management-based wolf policy. No tears, no dreadlocks. Oh, the humanity!  :chuckle:
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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #35 on: March 29, 2017, 02:24:12 PM »
I would get fired for demanding scientific management for robust populations of all GAME species and maximizing recreational opportunities rather than pandering to antis and wolf groups.  :chuckle:
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Re: Why no WA general spring bear season?
« Reply #36 on: March 29, 2017, 02:32:46 PM »
Besides Dale, you know as soon as you became director we'd all turn on you!
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