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Is IT Time To Eliminate OIL Tag Auctions?
« on: April 03, 2017, 02:03:10 PM »
I used to think that OIL tag auctions raised essential money for conservation and are a necessary tool. My opinion has changed. After the Bullwinkle episode, it occurs to me that these auctions are just another in a long series of nails in the coffin of public hunting's future. We're losing more land to leases and pay to play every year. The animal rights people collect more and more money for litigation which seeks to further regulate and restrict us, and to eventually end our heritage. And we now have lopsided legislatures, commissions, and "scientific" panels which have forgotten the reasons that our wildlife is abundant - the efforts of hunters which brought the wildlife back. Their successes in ending hounding and baiting, and introducing multiple apex predators are aimed at taking us out. And it's effective.

Long story short, I'd like to see all OIL auctions ended in WA. Although I get it - if you're rich, you've likely worked hard to get where you are and afford some of those things. But undermining our game management system by catering to a given class of people is stupid. What say you?
« Last Edit: April 04, 2017, 06:17:01 AM by pianoman9701 »
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Re: Is IT Time To OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2017, 02:06:16 PM »
For clarity - are you referring to the Raffle Drawings and Governor Tags?
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Re: Is IT Time To OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2017, 02:07:06 PM »
Make the auctions OIL so you can only win them once instead of seeing the same guys buy it every year? Or just end auctions all together?
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Re: Is IT Time To OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2017, 02:14:34 PM »
I'm on the fence.


On one hand, cash talks.  WDFW is in need of it BUT.....like so many things, we don't have a revenue issue, we have a spending problem.  More money doesn't fix spending problems.  I see the value in both sides of this argument but until the spending problem is fixed....I don't think any alternative "solutions" matter.   :twocents:
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Re: Is IT Time To OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2017, 02:38:03 PM »
The United States in unique in its North American Model of Wildlife Conservation. It's under attack from many sides.

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Re: Is IT Time To OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2017, 02:43:37 PM »
I'm on the fence.


On one hand, cash talks.  WDFW is in need of it BUT.....like so many things, we don't have a revenue issue, we have a spending problem.  More money doesn't fix spending problems.  I see the value in both sides of this argument but until the spending problem is fixed....I don't think any alternative "solutions" matter.   :twocents:

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I'm on the fence as well  but leaning with pianoman.....the general public needs more opportunities

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Re: Is IT Time To OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2017, 02:48:29 PM »
I agree with Pianoman.  End the auctions...more harm than good - and as Gringo said, WDFW has a spending problem - not a revenue problem.   

I think it is important in these discussions to focus on the system and the enabler (WDFW, legislature etc.) not the participants in the auctions who are playing by the rules setup by the enablers.  :twocents:
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Re: Is IT Time To OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2017, 03:01:08 PM »
These Tag Auctions seem to attract some of the very finest of individuals.  It is not only the money they spend on the auctions that they give, year after year, I have met a few who have bought new vehicles and turned the old (like three years) vehicles (off road vehicles and pickups and boats) they replaced over to conservation minded NGO's, and just really do give tremendous amount. 

And then there are those who impress me as only involved for what they can personally get out of it. 

I am not ready to say that the abusers should end the opportunity for all to participate, but I would not have any qualms limiting the Raffle Tags to no more than 10 chances/Wild ID per opportunity though. 


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Re: Is IT Time To OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2017, 04:00:48 PM »
"Public access to wildlife, regardless of social or economic status, including hunting, fishing, and trapping is a right of citizenship. This access fosters individual stewardship and provides the funding necessary to properly manage wildlife resources in a sustainable manner. "

I feel that way too... however the State of Washington says specifically that hunting and fishing are not rights but privileges, and can be taken away at anytime for any reason..

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Re: Is IT Time To OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2017, 08:56:05 PM »
Well if you can win them every year they are not OIL tags..
Just saying..
I understand your stance somewhat though
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Re: Is IT Time To OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2017, 09:03:39 PM »
I used to think that OIL tag auctions raised essential money for conservation and are a necessary tool. My opinion has changed. After the Bullwinkle episode, it occurs to me that these auctions are just another in a long series of nails in the coffin of public hunting's future. We're losing more land to leases and pay to play every year. The animal rights people collect more and more money for litigation which seeks to further regulate and restrict us, and to eventually end our heritage. And we now have lopsided legislatures, commissions, and "scientific" panels which have forgotten the reasons that our wildlife is abundant - the efforts of hunters which brought the wildlife back. Their successes in ending hounding and baiting, and introducing multiple apex predators are aimed at taking us out. And it's effective.

Long story short, I'd like to see all OIL auctions ended in WA. Although I get it - if you're rich, you've likely worked hard to get where you are and afford some of those things. But undermining our game management system by catering to a given class of people is stupid. What say you?


I agree P-man....except for the bold part. A lot of folks have worked hard their whole lives and still can not afford to spend that kind of dough. The garbage collector guy, construction dude, septic pumper, grocery store clerks, fruit pickers, etc...all work very hard, and with out them, the rest of us would be lost. These people are no less deserving than the ones who worked hard (in the right fields, and with some luck maybe) and make extraordinary $$$.

Do away with the auctions, and limit the amount of entries for raffle tags, make it fair and reasonable to ALL.

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Re: Is IT Time To OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2017, 10:07:14 PM »
I'm good with the auctions. I'm not ok with people "buying" the raffles. Maybe that's a different thread, and maybe it's not.
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Re: Is IT Time To OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2017, 06:14:07 AM »
I could get on board with that.  Have one of the two unlimited?  Raffle tags are limited at 10, 50, 100???


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Re: Is IT Time To OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2017, 06:17:29 AM »
For clarity - are you referring to the Raffle Drawings and Governor Tags?
Governor tags - anything that's auctioned.
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Re: Is IT Time To Eliminate OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2017, 06:26:07 AM »
Always wondered - is there any followup at all on where that money goes?

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Re: Is IT Time To Eliminate OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2017, 06:38:04 AM »
Answering a few posts from Ross, Gringo, and Nock Nock:
Correct, they're not OIL tags if you can get one every year. The auctions are even more so. The highest bidders are often the same people each year.

I would limit the number of raffle tickets to something like 50 per license. Only the person winning the raffle can hunt for the animal. And that number keeps most people able to buy the maximum tickets if they want.

I agree that a great many of us work hard for a living and end up with nothing at the end of the year. My point about rich people was only that I don't have anything against someone who's turned his career into a goldmine and become hugely successful
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Re: Is IT Time To Eliminate OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2017, 06:54:22 AM »
I used to think that OIL tag auctions raised essential money for conservation and are a necessary tool. My opinion has changed. After the Bullwinkle episode, it occurs to me that these auctions are just another in a long series of nails in the coffin of public hunting's future. We're losing more land to leases and pay to play every year. The animal rights people collect more and more money for litigation which seeks to further regulate and restrict us, and to eventually end our heritage. And we now have lopsided legislatures, commissions, and "scientific" panels which have forgotten the reasons that our wildlife is abundant - the efforts of hunters which brought the wildlife back. Their successes in ending hounding and baiting, and introducing multiple apex predators are aimed at taking us out. And it's effective.

Long story short, I'd like to see all OIL auctions ended in WA. Although I get it - if you're rich, you've likely worked hard to get where you are and afford some of those things. But undermining our game management system by catering to a given class of people is stupid. What say you?

I say........... "Good to see you coming around". 

It seems that most of these tags go to organizations like SFW that actively work against the average hunter through political manipulation.  And don't get me started on SCI which supports canned hunting by including animals taken on canned hunts in their record books.
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Re: Is IT Time To Eliminate OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2017, 06:56:08 AM »
Your arguments are the same I use for instructor, master hunter etc.. draws. One pool of tags that all compete in is my preference. If you want to buy a hunt, go hunt the farms.

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Re: Is IT Time To Eliminate OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2017, 06:57:55 AM »
Generally speaking I'm against any way to buy yourself a better spot with the government.  First Class security lines with TSA, FDA premium expedites, etc.  It's a "rich get richer" off the backs of "the people", and I don't like it. 

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Re: Is IT Time To OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2017, 07:02:48 AM »
I'm good with the auctions. I'm not ok with people "buying" the raffles. Maybe that's a different thread, and maybe it's not.

So you're not OK with people "buying" the raffles. But you are OK with someone "buying" the auction?  That's backwards thinking in my mind. Buying a bunch of raffle tickets doesn't guarantee you will win the drawing, and that can even be made more fair for all with a limit on the # of tickets allowed per person.  But there is no way the average hunter can beat a rich guy out for an auction tag.
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Re: Is IT Time To Eliminate OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2017, 07:04:47 AM »
End all Auctions. One name in the hat like NM.
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Re: Is IT Time To Eliminate OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2017, 07:27:54 AM »
I'm all for ending auction tags in Washington, and either no more raffle tags or a limit to how many a person can buy. If the WDFW becomes desperate enough for more money, they can sell bear baiting permits and hound hunting licenses.

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Re: Is IT Time To Eliminate OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2017, 07:41:58 AM »
Auction proceeds:
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Re: Is IT Time To Eliminate OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2017, 07:45:42 AM »
Raffle proceeds:
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