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Re: Is IT Time To Eliminate OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2017, 06:26:07 AM »
Always wondered - is there any followup at all on where that money goes?

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Re: Is IT Time To Eliminate OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2017, 06:38:04 AM »
Answering a few posts from Ross, Gringo, and Nock Nock:
Correct, they're not OIL tags if you can get one every year. The auctions are even more so. The highest bidders are often the same people each year.

I would limit the number of raffle tickets to something like 50 per license. Only the person winning the raffle can hunt for the animal. And that number keeps most people able to buy the maximum tickets if they want.

I agree that a great many of us work hard for a living and end up with nothing at the end of the year. My point about rich people was only that I don't have anything against someone who's turned his career into a goldmine and become hugely successful
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Re: Is IT Time To Eliminate OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2017, 06:54:22 AM »
I used to think that OIL tag auctions raised essential money for conservation and are a necessary tool. My opinion has changed. After the Bullwinkle episode, it occurs to me that these auctions are just another in a long series of nails in the coffin of public hunting's future. We're losing more land to leases and pay to play every year. The animal rights people collect more and more money for litigation which seeks to further regulate and restrict us, and to eventually end our heritage. And we now have lopsided legislatures, commissions, and "scientific" panels which have forgotten the reasons that our wildlife is abundant - the efforts of hunters which brought the wildlife back. Their successes in ending hounding and baiting, and introducing multiple apex predators are aimed at taking us out. And it's effective.

Long story short, I'd like to see all OIL auctions ended in WA. Although I get it - if you're rich, you've likely worked hard to get where you are and afford some of those things. But undermining our game management system by catering to a given class of people is stupid. What say you?

I say........... "Good to see you coming around". 

It seems that most of these tags go to organizations like SFW that actively work against the average hunter through political manipulation.  And don't get me started on SCI which supports canned hunting by including animals taken on canned hunts in their record books.
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Re: Is IT Time To Eliminate OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2017, 06:56:08 AM »
Your arguments are the same I use for instructor, master hunter etc.. draws. One pool of tags that all compete in is my preference. If you want to buy a hunt, go hunt the farms.

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Re: Is IT Time To Eliminate OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2017, 06:57:55 AM »
Generally speaking I'm against any way to buy yourself a better spot with the government.  First Class security lines with TSA, FDA premium expedites, etc.  It's a "rich get richer" off the backs of "the people", and I don't like it. 

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Re: Is IT Time To OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2017, 07:02:48 AM »
I'm good with the auctions. I'm not ok with people "buying" the raffles. Maybe that's a different thread, and maybe it's not.

So you're not OK with people "buying" the raffles. But you are OK with someone "buying" the auction?  That's backwards thinking in my mind. Buying a bunch of raffle tickets doesn't guarantee you will win the drawing, and that can even be made more fair for all with a limit on the # of tickets allowed per person.  But there is no way the average hunter can beat a rich guy out for an auction tag.
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Re: Is IT Time To Eliminate OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2017, 07:04:47 AM »
End all Auctions. One name in the hat like NM.
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Re: Is IT Time To Eliminate OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2017, 07:27:54 AM »
I'm all for ending auction tags in Washington, and either no more raffle tags or a limit to how many a person can buy. If the WDFW becomes desperate enough for more money, they can sell bear baiting permits and hound hunting licenses.

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Re: Is IT Time To Eliminate OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2017, 07:41:58 AM »
Auction proceeds:
Nature. It's cheaper than therapy.

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Re: Is IT Time To Eliminate OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2017, 07:45:42 AM »
Raffle proceeds:
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Re: Is IT Time To Eliminate OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2017, 07:48:45 AM »
@Bob33

Where does the money go? 

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Re: Is IT Time To Eliminate OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2017, 08:04:13 AM »
By the looks of those spreadsheets the state is leaving money on the table.  Olympia's looking at those figures saying "dang it we are leaving 10's of thousand of dollars on the table for west side elk, time to got to spike only on the west side too" $$$$$$$ :bash: :bash: :bash:
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Re: Is IT Time To Eliminate OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2017, 08:08:19 AM »
I'm all for ending auction tags in Washington, and either no more raffle tags or a limit to how many a person can buy. If the WDFW becomes desperate enough for more money, they can sell bear baiting permits and hound hunting licenses.

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Re: Is IT Time To Eliminate OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2017, 08:10:57 AM »
@Bob33

Where does the money go?

That is the $64,000 question. What has that money actually accomplished?
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Re: Is IT Time To OIL Tag Auctions?
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2017, 08:13:11 AM »
I'm good with the auctions. I'm not ok with people "buying" the raffles. Maybe that's a different thread, and maybe it's not.

That is where I am at.   

 

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