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Re: Scouting deer while carrying a shotgun??
« Reply #25 on: April 05, 2017, 11:10:34 PM »
Wdfw says harass wildlife.


Main Entry: harass
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: badger
Synonyms: annoy, attack, bait, bedevil, beleaguer, bother, bug*, bullyrag, burn*, despoil, devil*, distress, disturb, eat*, exasperate, exhaust, fatigue, foray, get to, give a bad time, give a hard time, gnaw, harry, hassle, heckle, hound, intimidate, irk, irritate, jerk around, macerate, maraud, noodge, pain*, perplex, persecute, pester, plague, raid, rattle one's cage, ride, strain, stress, tease, tire, torment, trouble, try, vex, weary, work on, worry

I'm just gonna leave it alone till maybe we can find the truthful answer.



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Re: Scouting deer while carrying a shotgun??
« Reply #26 on: April 05, 2017, 11:17:12 PM »
All I'm trying to say is I would not call it scouting if asked, if you or anybody else wants to risk it ,doesn't bother me.A person might wanna call wdfw before scouting to make sure before just taking everybody's word on the internet about it. :twocents:

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Re: Scouting deer while carrying a shotgun??
« Reply #27 on: April 05, 2017, 11:36:48 PM »
Looking at animals and animal sign is not harassing or hunting.

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Re: Scouting deer while carrying a shotgun??
« Reply #28 on: April 05, 2017, 11:38:33 PM »
You don't need an excuse to carry a gun while walking around. Tell them nothing. The less info the better :tup:

Then there gonna assume your hunting,and charge you with a lot more laws being not followed.

I hunt deer in an area that has elk and the elk season is not open then. You gonna try to tell me that since I am there in the woods with a rifle and I'm even actually hunting, that I can get a ticket for hunting elk out of season?  I don't think that would go very far.
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Re: Scouting deer while carrying a shotgun??
« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2017, 11:47:05 PM »
Looking at animals and animal sign is not harassing or hunting.

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You are correct ,as long as your not tracking or pursuing wildlife.But when I scout I do both of those .


Looking at animals and animal sign is not harassing or hunting.

No that sounds like hiking , and wildlife viewing.

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Re: Scouting deer while carrying a shotgun??
« Reply #30 on: April 05, 2017, 11:52:40 PM »
You don't need an excuse to carry a gun while walking around. Tell them nothing. The less info the better :tup:

Then there gonna assume your hunting,and charge you with a lot more laws being not followed.

I hunt deer in an area that has elk and the elk season is not open then. You gonna try to tell me that since I am there in the woods with a rifle and I'm even actually hunting, that I can get a ticket for hunting elk out of season?  I don't think that would go very far.

Are you tracking and pursuing animals (elk)with a rifle,out of season,and no hunting license?


If a game watches you,and can prove you are tracking,pursuing,or harassing elk.It might be something to think about.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2017, 11:58:36 PM by hunter399 »

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Re: Scouting deer while carrying a shotgun??
« Reply #31 on: April 06, 2017, 12:07:38 AM »
You don't need an excuse to carry a gun while walking around. Tell them nothing. The less info the better :tup:

Then there gonna assume your hunting,and charge you with a lot more laws being not followed.

I hunt deer in an area that has elk and the elk season is not open then. You gonna try to tell me that since I am there in the woods with a rifle and I'm even actually hunting, that I can get a ticket for hunting elk out of season?  I don't think that would go very far.

Are you tracking and pursuing animals (elk)with a rifle,out of season,and no hunting license?


If a game watches you,and can prove you are tracking,pursuing,or harassing elk.It might be something to think about.

I jump elk all the time when I'm deer hunting.   That happens when different animals share the same woods. The thing is, I'm hunting deer not elk. I don't shoot at elk during deer season.  Carrying a gun is not hunting, license or not, season or not.

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Re: Scouting deer while carrying a shotgun??
« Reply #32 on: April 06, 2017, 07:54:19 AM »
hunter 399 seems to just want to argue with anyone willing to listen,  its in the turkey thread too and now keeps giving us defenitions of wikipedia and his view on "pursuing and harrassing"  its not illegal to carry a gun, its our right. leave it at that and answer the original question, yes you can be in the woods with a gun while scouting.

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Re: Scouting deer while carrying a shotgun??
« Reply #33 on: April 06, 2017, 08:08:06 AM »
Hunting is the practice of killing or trapping animals, or pursuing or tracking them with the intent of doing so. Hunting wildlife or feral animals is most commonly done by humans for food, recreation, to remove predators that are dangerous to humans or domestic animals, or for trade. Lawful hunting is distinguished from poaching, which is the illegal killing, trapping or capture of the hunted species. The species that are hunted are referred to as game or prey and are usually mammals and birds.
Wikipedia isn't a legal definition.

Your fine with carrying a shotgun in the woods.

Then I would like to hear your definition , and your source of where you came up with it.
RCWs and WACs are the only completely valid sources of information for what is, and is not legal in Washington.

http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.08.010

(62) "To hunt" and its derivatives means an effort to kill, injure, harass, harvest, or capture a wild animal or wild bird.

If you are engaged in any of those activities, you could be considered to be hunting. If you are not engaged in any of those activities, you are not hunting.

How individual officers interpret the word "harass" could vary, depending on the circumstances.
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Re: Scouting deer while carrying a shotgun??
« Reply #34 on: April 06, 2017, 08:35:10 AM »
 :yeah:
I agree how officials interpret the word harass,You may get a ticket.

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Re: Scouting deer while carrying a shotgun??
« Reply #35 on: April 06, 2017, 08:50:51 AM »
You don't need an excuse to carry a gun while walking around. Tell them nothing. The less info the better :tup:

Then there gonna assume your hunting,and charge you with a lot more laws being not followed.

I hunt deer in an area that has elk and the elk season is not open then. You gonna try to tell me that since I am there in the woods with a rifle and I'm even actually hunting, that I can get a ticket for hunting elk out of season?  I don't think that would go very far.

Are you tracking and pursuing animals (elk)with a rifle,out of season,and no hunting license?


If a game watches you,and can prove you are tracking,pursuing,or harassing elk.It might be something to think about.

I jump elk all the time when I'm deer hunting.   That happens when different animals share the same woods. The thing is, I'm hunting deer not elk. I don't shoot at elk during deer season.  Carrying a gun is not hunting, license or not, season or not.



Jumping elk is ok,If you follow elk and jump them a 12 times in the coarse of a mile or two.And have made no effort to change coarse , or let them run off thats different.

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Re: Scouting deer while carrying a shotgun??
« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2017, 09:12:22 AM »
When I was in high school I got a ticket for hunting without a license because I let a game warden convince me that I was doing something wrong when I wasn't. Was in the woods with a gun in my truck but I was not hunting. Knowing your rights and being confident in what you're legally allowed to do is a great first step to keep from getting a bs citation like I did back then.




hunter 399 seems to just want to argue with anyone willing to listen,  its in the turkey thread too and now keeps giving us defenitions of wikipedia and his view on "pursuing and harrassing"  its not illegal to carry a gun, its our right. leave it at that and answer the original question, yes you can be in the woods with a gun while scouting.

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The fact you may be wrong bothers you.

Yes washington is a open carry state.Can you open carry while you harass wildlife , without a hunting license, no.

The fact that someone posted about there ticket tells me this is a very fine line of what's legal and not.

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Re: Scouting deer while carrying a shotgun??
« Reply #37 on: April 06, 2017, 12:09:56 PM »
You don't need an excuse to carry a gun while walking around. Tell them nothing. The less info the better :tup:

Then there gonna assume your hunting,and charge you with a lot more laws being not followed.

I hunt deer in an area that has elk and the elk season is not open then. You gonna try to tell me that since I am there in the woods with a rifle and I'm even actually hunting, that I can get a ticket for hunting elk out of season?  I don't think that would go very far.

Are you tracking and pursuing animals (elk)with a rifle,out of season,and no hunting license?


If a game watches you,and can prove you are tracking,pursuing,or harassing elk.It might be something to think about.
Tracking is not in the definition of hunting.
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Re: Scouting deer while carrying a shotgun??
« Reply #38 on: April 06, 2017, 12:51:02 PM »
You don't need an excuse to carry a gun while walking around. Tell them nothing. The less info the better :tup:

Then there gonna assume your hunting,and charge you with a lot more laws being not followed.

I hunt deer in an area that has elk and the elk season is not open then. You gonna try to tell me that since I am there in the woods with a rifle and I'm even actually hunting, that I can get a ticket for hunting elk out of season?  I don't think that would go very far.

Are you tracking and pursuing animals (elk)with a rifle,out of season,and no hunting license?


If a game watches you,and can prove you are tracking,pursuing,or harassing elk.It might be something to think about.
Tracking is not in the definition of hunting.
No tracking is not in definition of hunting, but if you track a animal and a game warden feels you are harassing this animal then you are hunting.So it is up to the warden in the end not you .

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Re: Scouting deer while carrying a shotgun??
« Reply #39 on: April 06, 2017, 01:32:47 PM »
I can see what 399 is getting at, the definition of harassing or pursuing could mean different things to different people. How we interpret it seems rather a slippery slope to me.  Hopefully our wardens have some common sense.  The ones I've interacted with have always shown it, but that doesn't mean they all will I guess.

To me, the real question revolves around Elk hunting.  Very few of us can hunt Elk on our own, so we always have "helpers".  My helpers have always had valid tags, and I've refused offers from other friends without tags to just "come along and help", because I worry they could be charged with "pursuit" of game.  Even if they aren't carrying a weapon, if a guy is say, blowing a call, seems like that could be considered "hunting".  Or say an un-armed friend goes bailing down into a drainage for purpose of spooking something out?  He could just say he was "hiking", but I think most wardens might be inclined to consider him as "participating in the hunt".  Again, seems like a slippery slope, and where do we draw the line?  In court maybe.

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Re: Scouting deer while carrying a shotgun??
« Reply #40 on: April 06, 2017, 02:31:18 PM »
Sounds like some people should just stay indoors so they can't be accused of hunting or harassing wildlife.

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Re: Scouting deer while carrying a shotgun??
« Reply #41 on: April 06, 2017, 02:52:22 PM »
There is a line, it's not always black and white, but the vast majority of enforcement officers I know are reasonable.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/help/questions/86/Do+I+need+a+hunting+license+if+I%27m+just+helping+my+child+or+others+to+hunt%3F

Do I need a hunting license if I'm just helping my child or others to hunt?

If you are only watching or guiding, you do not need a hunting license. However, if you are directly assisting and participating (such as driving game or packing hunting weapons), you will need the appropriate hunting license.

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Re: Scouting deer while carrying a shotgun??
« Reply #42 on: April 06, 2017, 03:21:08 PM »

No tracking is not in definition of hunting, but if you track a animal and a game warden feels you are harassing this animal then you are hunting.So it is up to the warden in the end not you .

You can do the same thing without a weapon. I guess according to you, we just need to stay out of the woods.
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Re: Scouting deer while carrying a shotgun??
« Reply #43 on: April 06, 2017, 03:35:24 PM »
How did this go two pages?  I'm done with the internet for the day.


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Re: Scouting deer while carrying a shotgun??
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Re: Scouting deer while carrying a shotgun??
« Reply #45 on: April 06, 2017, 06:53:37 PM »
 Here's a one for ya  :chuckle: :chuckle:

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Re: Scouting deer while carrying a shotgun??
« Reply #46 on: April 06, 2017, 07:17:57 PM »
I always carry a gun when in the woods ,this time of year it's a 12 gauge with 2/0 buck . I also always carry a current hunting license, 2 open reed distress calls and a couple diaphragm for howling .  It's always coyote season .  I also don't think you have to much to worry about bears and cougars , they don't want to see you anymore than you them . I've been as close as 5 feet from a bear and he still chose flight over fight .   

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Re: Scouting deer while carrying a shotgun??
« Reply #47 on: April 06, 2017, 07:25:21 PM »
Its not over, :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

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Re: Scouting deer while carrying a shotgun??
« Reply #48 on: April 09, 2017, 05:48:58 PM »
I always carry a gun when in the woods ,this time of year it's a 12 gauge with 2/0 buck . I also always carry a current hunting license, 2 open reed distress calls and a couple diaphragm for howling .  It's always coyote season .  I also don't think you have to much to worry about bears and cougars , they don't want to see you anymore than you them . I've been as close as 5 feet from a bear and he still chose flight over fight .   


Do you need any tags for coyotes? I have a small game license and also purchased a deer tag this year.

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Re: Scouting deer while carrying a shotgun??
« Reply #49 on: April 09, 2017, 05:52:28 PM »
I always carry a gun when in the woods ,this time of year it's a 12 gauge with 2/0 buck . I also always carry a current hunting license, 2 open reed distress calls and a couple diaphragm for howling .  It's always coyote season .  I also don't think you have to much to worry about bears and cougars , they don't want to see you anymore than you them . I've been as close as 5 feet from a bear and he still chose flight over fight .   


Do you need any tags for coyotes? I have a small game license and also purchased a deer tag this year.
No tag needed. You're good to go. Fire away.  :tup:
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