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Just got to thinking... why?
« on: April 07, 2017, 10:14:44 AM »
Why do modern firearm bull permit holders get 14 days afield in most of the eastern draw permits for elk while archery bull permit holders only get 13 days?

My proposal give archery branch antlered permit holders an extra 5 days just like they do for modern firearm.

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Re: Just got to thinking... why?
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2017, 10:45:48 AM »
There is significantly more rifle hunters than archery hunters. The "cash cow" needs to be as happy as possible. Archery gets first crack, a plenty long season and rut timing. Doesn't seem so bad to me?  :dunno:
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Re: Just got to thinking... why?
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2017, 02:53:49 PM »
1 day less than someone carrying a boom stick isn't my definition of plenty long.  I can't argue with first crack.

I remain steadfast in my belief that archery is harder even with the month difference in time.


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Re: Just got to thinking... why?
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2017, 03:23:04 PM »
I am predominantly a muzzleloader hunter. It was archers who complained during the last season setting process that ML hunters got days to hunt quality tags before the general season and archers did not. So instead of getting your extra days, you got the ML guys extra days before the season taken away. Thanks guys!  >:( Beyond that, archery is the fastest growing user group with rapidly advancing technology every year. The "hard way" is getting easier every year. You chose the "hard way." Why do archers feel that they deserve more than other groups? I'll trade you ML season for your archery season any time you like. I own a bow, ML, and rifles.  I happily hunt with them all. In fact, I'll be archery elk hunting this season because I am unhappy with the dates that ML gets for this year. A short 6 day season bumping up to opening weekend of modern firearm deer season. No thanks!
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Re: Just got to thinking... why?
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2017, 07:55:47 PM »
All user groups have seen technology increases.  I am not saying increase the general archery season just for the quality permits.  Look at the success rates for archery quality permits.  It is still much harder by that stat.


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Re: Just got to thinking... why?
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2017, 08:00:29 PM »
you might want to hunt archery and see how easy it is... NOT newer technology may increase accuracy but hasn't changed shooting distance.you still need to get as close as you did ten years ago.

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Re: Just got to thinking... why?
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2017, 08:01:36 PM »
Why do modern firearm bull permit holders get 14 days afield in most of the eastern draw permits for elk while archery bull permit holders only get 13 days?

My proposal give archery branch antlered permit holders an extra 5 days just like they do for modern firearm.

Thoughts?


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So where would these 5 days come from?  What group will sacrifice part of their season.

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Re: Just got to thinking... why?
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2017, 08:02:39 PM »
There's a lot more people and competition in the woods during rifle season :dunno:

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Re: Just got to thinking... why?
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2017, 08:03:11 PM »
Why do modern firearm bull permit holders get 14 days afield in most of the eastern draw permits for elk while archery bull permit holders only get 13 days?

My proposal give archery branch antlered permit holders an extra 5 days just like they do for modern firearm.

Thoughts?


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So where would these 5 days come from?  What group will sacrifice part of their season.

Open Archery season 5 days earlier?

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Re: Just got to thinking... why?
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2017, 08:10:55 PM »
Didn't the archery hunters just push for a later start last year?  :dunno:
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Re: Just got to thinking... why?
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2017, 08:12:13 PM »
The modern bull permits may get 14 days but they only get 5 days to hunt before the general season starts and thousands of modern firearm hunters hit the woods.

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Re: Just got to thinking... why?
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2017, 08:41:57 PM »
Why do modern firearm bull permit holders get 14 days afield in most of the eastern draw permits for elk while archery bull permit holders only get 13 days?

My proposal give archery branch antlered permit holders an extra 5 days just like they do for modern firearm.

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So where would these 5 days come from?  What group will sacrifice part of their season.

Open Archery season 5 days earlier?
Yes.  For the permit holders.  The calendar has the room.

Someone how they managed to fit a 5 day rut hunt in at the end of September for modern firearm too.


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Just got to thinking... why?
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2017, 08:42:55 PM »
The modern bull permits may get 14 days but they only get 5 days to hunt before the general season starts and thousands of modern firearm hunters hit the woods.
And archery permit hunters get zero days before all the archery hunters and multiseason permit holders hit the woods.


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Re: Just got to thinking... why?
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2017, 08:59:08 PM »
Switch weapons and you'll be fine. You can draw a tag every 10-15 years versus every 5 years for that one extra day to hunt.

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Re: Just got to thinking... why?
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2017, 11:42:13 PM »
Point creep is alive and well for archery too.  Took 9 years beginning in 2003 to draw 1st time around.  This will be the 5th year hoping for another chance.


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Re: Just got to thinking... why?
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2017, 10:11:48 AM »
You bow hunters slay me.

The talk about how you have chosen the "Sharp Stick" method of hunting due to the challenge, then the tears about how everyone else has an advantage due to the Mantle of Difficulty that is associated with Archery hunting. You can't have it both ways, that is how it works, so quit crying and practice shooting, ranging, calling and get in shape.  Oh yeah, put your big boy pants on too.
I have often thought about taking up bow hunting but have not due to my work schedule being very hectic in September and October.
If and when I ever do take up archery you can bet that I won't be posting the tearful complaints that I see here.
Being in the field during the rut is a huge break, I realize that it is difficult to get within bow distance, but rifle seasons no picnic either.
Having hunted elk for 43 years, I am not always successful, but that's hunting.

I spent 20 (Very Successful) years catching steelhead on the fly during the summers in SW Washington.
I believe that it was more difficult than using conventional gear, that was my choice and I treasured the victories with no animosity towards the guys using eggs, corkies, spoons etc.  During the winter, that was what I used, but summer was for the fly as far as my choice.

In closing, Life's Not Fair, get used to it.

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Re: Just got to thinking... why?
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2017, 07:21:35 PM »
Compared to all other states Washington's Archery season is very short.  You can't blame a guy for wanting to hunt more can you? :dunno:

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Re: Just got to thinking... why?
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2017, 07:27:54 PM »
I don't feel that he is whining about season dates or even season length but the fact that if you get drawn for a quality bull tag your season opens and closes the same time as General season, and yes archery numbers have increased tremendously which makes hunting a bull not just about you and the elk but now includes all of the retards jogging thru the woods with a bow ( I'm not saying all bow hunters are retarded but there are just a lot more of them out there now days). I don't see any reason that if you were lucky enough to ever draw a quality bull tag that you shouldn't have three days for just the quality tag holders.    If it's good enough for the other weapons it should be good enough for all of the weapons
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Re: Just got to thinking... why?
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2017, 07:42:05 PM »
How about if early general archery elk season gets shortened from 13 to 10 days except for bull tag holders who get those 3 days for their quality tags. If you want something that bad make the sacrifice from your own season.
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Re: Just got to thinking... why?
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2017, 08:10:12 PM »
I don't feel that he is whining about season dates or even season length but the fact that if you get drawn for a quality bull tag your season opens and closes the same time as General season, and yes archery numbers have increased tremendously which makes hunting a bull not just about you and the elk but now includes all of the retards jogging thru the woods with a bow ( I'm not saying all bow hunters are retarded but there are just a lot more of them out there now days). I don't see any reason that if you were lucky enough to ever draw a quality bull tag that you shouldn't have three days for just the quality tag holders.    If it's good enough for the other weapons it should be good enough for all of the weapons
Well I have had peddle mountain bikers with dogs, motorcycles with no orange on ride in between me and a bull I was about to pull the trigger on during modern season too! So it doesn't matter what season your hunting your going to run into the same situation. Public land is public use. Only difference is they have all year to do their sport while we have a window to do ours.
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Re: Just got to thinking... why?
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2017, 08:19:37 PM »
Wdfw does not care if you harvest or not.As long there is a season ,so you buy your permit,tag. If you don't like it go modern,mean this one day hurts you that bad .

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Re: Just got to thinking... why?
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2017, 09:22:10 AM »
Your guys replies are funny.  I wasn't expecting you to be able to acknowledge the inequity and you delivered. 😎


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Re: Just got to thinking... why?
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2017, 09:28:04 AM »
This is the nature of separating user groups and the reason why most states allow you to hunt all seasons with the proper weapon. It's quite possible that WA went the way it did to purposely dilute the voice of the hunter and pander to the majority. We should be able to hunt big game all fall long during each season. It would spread out the hunters more and be a real change for increased opportunity.
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Re: Just got to thinking... why?
« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2017, 10:37:44 AM »
And I have been up and watched Archery hunter they run the Elk with 4 wheelers to get close seen guys on the back of them running along a herd with bows drawen, and shooting so during ML I have seen ELK with arrows in them I understand it happens, But the way they hunt for them is wrong, I have hunted the same spot for 30 years and since they have open it up for cows we don't see the animals and hear that they have been pushed off the mountain, and that is by the Biologist

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Re: Just got to thinking... why?
« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2017, 10:44:57 AM »
And I have been up and watched Archery hunter they run the Elk with 4 wheelers to get close seen guys on the back of them running along a herd with bows drawen, and shooting so during ML I have seen ELK with arrows in them I understand it happens, But the way they hunt for them is wrong, I have hunted the same spot for 30 years and since they have open it up for cows we don't see the animals and hear that they have been pushed off the mountain, and that is by the Biologist

Simply ridiculous assertions......because you saw one person / group doing something stupid or illegal, you now associate it with all bow hunters and the lack of elk on a mountain.  Really???  Not like the elk just vanished because they opened up an area to cow elk, they just changed their habit.  You should read the book "Who moved the Cheese" you will be a happier and more successful elk hunter.  You need to adapt and change your strategy based on the situation.  Maybe even take up bow hunting so you can chase a cow.   :tup:

 

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