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Elk Permits
« on: April 10, 2017, 04:13:08 PM »
Did anyone see the reduction in antlerless elk permits? Several GMU's in Eastern WA had reduction in bull permits.

Under the Quality, Modern Firearm (EF and WF), change the permit numbers for the following hunts:  • Wenaha West, change the number of permits from 10 to 9; • Wenaha East, change the number of permits from 11 to 10;  • Lick Creek, change the number of permits from 7 to 6;  • Colockum, Oct. 23-Nov. 5, change the number of permits from 23 to 22;  • Observatory, change the number of permits from 5 to 3;  • Little Naches, change the number of permits from 15 to 10;  • Nooksack, change the number of permits from 10 to 12; • Toutle, change the number of permits from 49 to 46.  These permit changes reflect a need to reduce the harvest of elk populations that are at or below population objective, or they are adjustments resulting from the special permit allocation formula, or are permit levels agreed upon with stakeholders and tribes. 
 
Page 34 Under the Quality, Archery (EA and WA), change the permit numbers for the following hunts:  • Blue Creek, change the number of permits from 5 to 6;  • Ten Ten, change the number of permits from 3 to 4; • Tucannon, change the number of permits from 7 to 6;  • Wenaha East, change the number of permits from 6 to 4;  • Mountain View, change the number of permits from 13 to 14;  • Couse, change the number of permits from 3 to 2;  • Colockum, change the number of permits from 17 to 13;  • Teanaway, change the number of permits from 6 to 4;  • Peaches Ridge, change the number of permits from 134 to 104;  • Observatory, change the number of permits from 134 to 104;  • Goose Prairie, change the number of permits from 93 to 109;  • Bethel, change the number of permits from 46 to 66;   • Rimrock, change the number of permits from 71 to 85;  • Nooksack, change the number of permits from 5 to 7;  • Toutle, change the number of permits from 37 to 34;  • White River, change the number of permits from 24 to 19.  These permit changes reflect a need to reduce the harvest of elk populations that are at or below population objective, or they are adjustments resulting from the special permit allocation formula, or are permit levels agreed upon with stakeholders and tribes. 
 
 
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Page 34 Under Quality, Muzzleloader (EM and WM), change the permit numbers for the following hunts:  • Dayton, change the number of permits from 4 to 5;  • Wenaha East, change the number of permits from 3 to 4;  • Colockum, change the number of permits from 9 to 7;  • Teanaway, change the number of permits from 3 to 2;  • Peaches Ridge, change the number of permits from 34 to 33;  • Observatory, change the number of permits from 31 to 27.  These permit changes reflect a need to reduce the harvest of elk populations that are at or below population objective, or they are adjustments resulting from the special permit allocation formula, or are permit levels agreed upon with stakeholders and tribes. 
 
Page 35 Under Quality, Muzzleloader (EM and WM), change the permit numbers for the following hunts:  • Goose Prairie, change the number of permits from 16 to 24;  • Bethel, change the number of permits from 14 to 20;  • Rimrock, change the number of permits from 9 to 10;  • Cowiche, change the number of permits from 9 to 5;  • Nooksack, change the number of permits from 5 to 7;  • Toutle, change the number of permits from 12 to 13.  These permit changes reflect a need to reduce the harvest of elk populations that are at or below population objective, or they are adjustments resulting from the special permit allocation formula, or are permit levels agreed upon with stakeholders and tribes.
 
Under the Bulls, Modern Firearm (EF and WF), change the permit numbers for the following hunts:  • Peaches Ridge, change the number of permits from 118 to 110; • Observatory, change the number of permits from 86 to 71; • Goose Prairie, change the number of permits from 84 to 106; • Bethel, change the number of permits from 64 to 76; • Rimrock, change the number of permits from 83 to 77; • Cowiche, change the number of permits from 13 to 12; • Olympic, change the number of permits from 8 to 7; • White River, change the number of permits from 34 to 35.  These permit changes reflect a need to reduce the harvest of elk populations that are at or below population objective, or they are adjustments resulting from the special permit allocation formula, or are permit levels agreed upon with stakeholders and tribes.
 
Page 36 Under Bulls, Western Archery (WA), Olympic, change the number of permits from 6 to 5.  This permit change reflects adjustments resulting from the special permit allocation formula. 
 
 
 
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Under Bulls, Western Muzzleloader (WM), Skokomish, change the number of permits from 2 to 1.  This permit change reflects adjustments resulting from the special permit allocation formula. 
 
Under Antlerless, Modern Firearm (EF) change the permit numbers for the following hunts: • Dayton, change the number of permits from 25 to 8;  • Lick Creek, change the number of permits from 5 to 3. These permit changes reflect a need to reduce the harvest of elk populations that are at or below population objective. 
 
Page 37 Under Antlerless, Modern Firearm (EF and WF) change the permit numbers for the following hunts:  • Colockum, change the number of permits from 510 to 100;  • Taneum, change the number of permits from 350 to 35;  • Manastash, change the number of permits from 300 to 30;  • Umtanum, change the number of permits from 250 to 25;  • Little Naches, change the number of permits from 350 to 35;  • Nile, change the number of permits from 100 to 10;  • Bumping, change the number of permits from 200 to 20;  • Bethel, change the number of permits from 100 to 10;  • Rimrock, change the number of permits from 110 to 15;  • Cowiche, change the number of permits from 110 to 15;  • Winston, change the number of permits from 40 to 25;  • Margaret, change the number of permits from 40 to 25;  • Coweeman, change the number of permits from 75 to 50;  • Toutle, change the number of permits from 35 to 25;  • Lewis River, change the number of permits from 60 to 40;  • Mudflow, change the number of permits from 10 to 7.  These permit changes reflect a need to reduce the harvest of elk populations that are at or below population objective. 
 
Under Antlerless, Archery (EA and WA), change the permit numbers for the following hunts:  • Dayton, change the number of permits from 15 to 5; • Margaret, change the number of permits from 30 to 20; • Toutle, change the number of permits from 50 to 30.  These permit changes reflect a need to reduce the harvest of elk populations that are at or below population objective. 
 
Page 38 Under Antlerless, Muzzleloader (EM and WM) change the permit numbers for the following hunts:
 
 
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• Dayton, change the number of permits from 25 to 8;  • Lick Creek, change the number of permits from 5 to 3; • Colockum, change the number of permits from 140 to 50; • Taneum, change the number of permits from 270 to 25; • Manastash, change the number of permits from 250 to 25; • Umtanum, change the number of permits from 215 to 20; • Nile, change the number of permits from 75 to 10; • Bumping, change the number of permits from 55 to 10; • Bethel, change the number of permits from 40 to 10; • Cowiche, change the number of permits from 80 to 10; • Mudflow, change the number of permits from 5 to 4; • Winston, change the number of permits from 20 to 15; • Margaret, change the number of permits from 20 to 10; • Coweeman, change the number of permits from 40 to 25; • Toutle, change the number of permits from 40 to 25; • Lewis River, change the number of permits from 20 to 15.  These permit changes reflect a need to reduce the harvest of elk populations that are at or below population objective. 
 
Page 39 Under Youth, change the permit numbers for the following hunts:  • Colockum, EF, change the number of permits from 60 to 15;  • Yakima North, EF, change the number of permits from 145 to 15;  • Yakima Central, EF, change the number of permits from 50 to 5;  • Yakima South, EF, change the number of permits from 30 to 5;  • Colockum, EM, change the number of permits from 30 to 5; • Yakima North, EM, change the number of permits from 50 to 10;  • Yakima Central, EM, change the number of permits from 30 to 10; • Yakima South, EM, change the number of permits from 30 to 10; • Mudflow, WF, Oct. 28 – Nov. 3, change the number of permits from 4 to 3;  • Coweeman, WF, change the number of permits from 25 to 15; • Toutle, WF, change the number of permits from 40 to 25; • Lewis River, WF, change the number of permits from 15 to 10. These permit changes reflect a need to reduce the harvest of elk populations that are at or below population objective.
 
Page 40 Under 65+ Senior, change the permit numbers for the following hunts: • Colockum, EF, change the number of permits from 15 to 5; • Yakima North, EF, change the number of permits from 40 to 10; • Yakima Central, EF, change the number of permits from 10 to 5; • Yakima South, EF, change the number of permits from 10 to 5; • Yakima North, EM, change the number of permits from 25 to 5;
 
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• Yakima Central, EM, change the number of permits from 15 to 5. These permit changes reflect a need to reduce the harvest of elk populations that are at or below population objective.
 
Page 41 Under Hunters with Disabilities, change the permit numbers for the following hunts: • Colockum, change the number of permits from 15 to 5;  • Yakima North, change the number of permits from 40 to 10;  • Yakima Central, change the number of permits from 20 to 5;  • Yakima South, change the number of permits from 10 to 5;  • Mudflow, Oct. 20 – 26, change the number of permits from 4 to 3.  These permit changes reflect a need to reduce the harvest of elk populations that are at or below population objective. 
 
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Re: Elk Permits
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2017, 04:49:23 PM »
Huge drop in cow permits, I can't say I'm against it, but why that big of a cut?

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Re: Elk Permits
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2017, 04:52:24 PM »
I heard due to low herd numbers. Winter kill, and the drought of 2015 has to do with it.
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Re: Elk Permits
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2017, 05:05:02 PM »
Well if That's the case, I'm for it.  Wonder if the tribes will take any of this in consideration?

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Re: Elk Permits
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2017, 05:07:18 PM »
Well if That's the case, I'm for it.  Wonder if the tribes will take any of this in consideration?

Of course not!

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Re: Elk Permits
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2017, 05:19:41 PM »
Doesn't surprise me. Having so many cow permits, it had to catch up with them fast. And nope on the other question.

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Re: Elk Permits
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2017, 07:18:02 PM »
Where did you see these numbers? I just looked at the proposals listed under the agenda for this weekend's commission meeting and the permit numbers look pretty much the same as the last few years. Rick

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Re: Elk Permits
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2017, 08:20:22 PM »
Long document but here's a link to the proposed changes:

http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings/2017/04/apr1417_09_summary.pdf

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Re: Elk Permits
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2017, 08:28:44 PM »
Can you buy special hunt permits now and submit later or do you have to wait to even purchase them?
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« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2017, 08:30:10 PM »
Can you buy special hunt permits now and submit later or do you have to wait to even purchase them?
You have to wait.
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« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2017, 08:33:02 PM »
Can you buy special hunt permits now and submit later or do you have to wait to even purchase them?
You have to wait.
thank you,i thought so just wanted to ask.gotta buy everything else tomorrow,sucks to have to go in twice but oh well.
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Re: Elk Permits
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2017, 10:56:03 PM »
Looking at the muzzleloader cow permit numbers you posted, I've never seen such a drastic drop in permits in one year. That's crazy. Is archery still OTC on the Eastside for cows?

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Re: Elk Permits
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2017, 11:23:27 PM »
I imagine they still will be,Yes.
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Re: Elk Permits
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2017, 05:34:03 AM »
Well if That's the case, I'm for it.  Wonder if the tribes will take any of this in consideration?

They are so concerned about it they will kill a bunch of trophy bulls to save the cows! :chuckle:

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Re: Elk Permits
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2017, 06:10:51 AM »
Well if That's the case, I'm for it.  Wonder if the tribes will take any of this in consideration?

They are so concerned about it they will kill a bunch of trophy bulls to save the cows! :chuckle:
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Re: Elk Permits
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2017, 07:56:14 AM »
The growing population of predators need something to eat too ;)
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Re: Elk Permits
« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2017, 08:08:36 AM »
Just one of those things. Throw in a couple of tough winters on top of that drought in 2015 and this is where we end up. They're bringing the hammer down on a number of the coveted quality deer tags too. All in all, if it's for the good of the herds, then I'm all for it. May just be one of those years where it's better to build points instead of using them.

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Re: Elk Permits
« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2017, 10:02:24 AM »
Well if That's the case, I'm for it.  Wonder if the tribes will take any of this in consideration?
Nope seen plenty of fetus on the side of carcasses in the Gifford Pinchot NF this winter out hiking after I hear a bunch a shooting the day before. Everybody knows it's the tribes. Nobody seems to give a darn. Sad sad times we live in.


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Re: Elk Permits
« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2017, 12:57:18 PM »
Wonder why such a difference between Washington and Idaho.  I don't think we (Washington) know how many elk we have. :bash:

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Elk have fared better and because previous years mild winters helped grow elk herds, hunters will see added opportunity for cow elk hunting in both controlled hunts and general hunts.

Radio-collar data shows statewide, about 76 percent of calves survived to mid March and about 98 percent of radio-collared cows were still alive.

Statewide elk populations should be similar to last year, and growing elk herds in certain areas have exceeded F&G’s population objectives and are causing problems on private lands.

“To get back to our objectives, we need to reduce the cow segment of those populations,” White said.
 Overall, F&G is adding 1,460 more controlled hunt tags for elk, which includes another 375 antlerless elk tags. It’s also adding general season hunting for cow elk in the Weiser River Zone and in the Panhandle Zone

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Re: Elk Permits
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2017, 01:21:41 PM »
Huge drop in cow permits, I can't say I'm against it, but why that big of a cut?

WDFW is the worst department at managing game out of any department in the country. They are basically cutting the cow permits to 1/10th of what they were: from 300 to 30, from 250 to 25, from 100 to 10, etc etc etc..... Do you think you were giving out too many permits if you have to cut cow tags from 300 to 30 from one year to the next? They  have absolutely no clue how many elk are anywhere. They probably were out flying around and noticed, "Where did all the elk go?"

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Re: Elk Permits
« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2017, 07:27:02 PM »
Long document but here's a link to the proposed changes:

http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings/2017/04/apr1417_09_summary.pdf

 :yike: Good year to hunt out of state for elk. Come on Colorado.

This link is very hard to find. I would argue that this doesn't meet the public disclosure requirements that must be met before they can make quota changes of this magnitude. Similar to a couple years ago when they increased the cougar quotas but got challenged by the animal rights groups and had to roll them back until public comment could be taken. Resulting in a one year delay.

The WDFW news release has a link that takes you to the document that was submitted in February that shows the quotas remaining the same that they took public comment on in March.

If only the media gave a crap about the hunters in this state and made sure the WDFW was following the rules when they are reducing hunting opportunities.
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Re: Elk Permits
« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2017, 07:33:36 PM »
The information was referenced in links in a news release.  It could have easier to find.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/mar0917a/
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« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2017, 07:42:03 PM »
The information was referenced in links in a news release.  It could have easier to find.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/mar0917a/

Bob33 did you read the documents attached to that link?  Those documents say that they will be maintaining the current quotas from last year for the Yakima herd not reducing the opportunities. It also says that the public comment period has ended.

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« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2017, 07:52:39 PM »
you got me interested  :yeah: where are these attachments
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« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2017, 12:30:03 PM »
 
The growing population of predators need something to eat too ;)
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