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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2017, 01:39:38 PM »
That sort of poaching ought to be worth several years in prison. No excuse.    :bash:

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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2017, 01:39:58 PM »
That sort of poaching ought to be worth several years in prison. No excuse.    :bash:
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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2017, 01:50:54 PM »
That sort of poaching ought to be worth several years in prison. No excuse.    :bash:
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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2017, 01:56:19 PM »
Sounds like he got tired of the elk eating his farm and shot them: http://www.wallowa.com/local_news/20170413/arrest-made-in-elk-taking-case-in-wallowa

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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2017, 02:05:30 PM »
I wonder how many hunters he allowed onto his property last Fall? I'm betting none.
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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2017, 02:35:31 PM »
Sounds like he got tired of the elk eating his farm and shot them: http://www.wallowa.com/local_news/20170413/arrest-made-in-elk-taking-case-in-wallowa

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Mike Hansen, assistant district wildlife biologist for ODFW, said that the department can issue a kill permit or a hazing permit for elk that cause consistent damage to a farmer’s crops. Hansen said Harshfield had contacted ODFW about the permits. The kill permit requires the farmer to field dress and skin the animal and take it to a meat processing facility.

“He did not want to do that,” Hansen said. “We gave him a haze permit.”

 I'd bet money he didn't allow hunting either.
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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2017, 03:58:42 PM »
I wonder how many hunters he allowed onto his property last Fall? I'm betting none.

They don't congregate in the valley floor in the fall. The winter was brutal and held on late, forcing hundreds of elk into the valleys around here this winter. Hay stacks got tore up everywhere. What he did was wrong. Although I understand his frustration. I'm real surprised he wasn't issued any damage permits. Those usually aren't too hard to come by. I'm sure there's more to the story between him and the agency.

Most landowners around there are real good about hunting, if they're local. Lots of California types are the biggest offenders to keeping out any hunting. And there's quite a few of them up there.

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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2017, 05:32:36 PM »
I bet he's also the same person that complains about the government telling him what to do and that there is no more elk left either. No excuse!

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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2017, 05:39:58 PM »
Reminds me of  what a cherry grower in the Naches Heights area about 20 years ago. Elk would get into his orchard and top his little trees. He tried to get WDFW to help and they wouldn't or didn't so he took matters into his own hands.

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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2017, 07:05:30 PM »
No excuse. That's why farmers have insurance. Or should anyways.

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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2017, 06:58:03 AM »
Reminds me of  what a cherry grower in the Naches Heights area about 20 years ago. Elk would get into his orchard and top his little trees. He tried to get WDFW to help and they wouldn't or didn't so he took matters into his own hands.

Sounds to me like the ODFW was responding by offering him harvest tags and then a hazing permit. In addition, had he offered up his property to some hunters, he might have had a positive result. Anyone who dumps 25 elk and leaves them to rot is a dirtbag. He had tools and he chose not to use them.
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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2017, 08:08:02 AM »
What a lazy POS?  Turns down a kill permit because he doesn't want to field dress the elk? 

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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2017, 09:26:42 AM »
25 elk would feed a lot of people.   :bash:

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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2017, 10:13:24 AM »
Reminds me of  what a cherry grower in the Naches Heights area about 20 years ago. Elk would get into his orchard and top his little trees. He tried to get WDFW to help and they wouldn't or didn't so he took matters into his own hands.

Sounds to me like the ODFW was responding by offering him harvest tags and then a hazing permit. In addition, had he offered up his property to some hunters, he might have had a positive result. Anyone who dumps 25 elk and leaves them to rot is a dirtbag. He had tools and he chose not to use them.

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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2017, 10:49:11 AM »
You know he could have asked for help field dressing elk.  How many of us would jump at the opportunity for this sort of thing?! 

I am all for farmers, and I know many operate on thin margins.  But this situation didn't need to end this way, with 25 (25!) rotting elk and criminal charges. 

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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2017, 11:03:53 AM »
  I can understand his frustrations, the winter was bad over there. I am in no way saying what he did was right, but he got some attention from the ODFW didn't he!! haha. I have seen the so called "permits" the give and they are *censored*. A hazing permit just allows you to drive the elk off your property without getting a ticket, the elk get use to that and when they are having a hard time finding feed it doesn't take long for them to come back. And as far as kill permits, it sounds like he had somewhere around 200 head on his property, i am sure they would have issued 2-3 permits, it was a bad winter, the elk would have walked past you field dressing one in the snow to get to the hay stack....... would not  have done a dam thing. As far a hunters on his property this year, I'm betting those 200 head weren't parked in his barn lot during hunting season. I saw elk in places this year that I have never seen them before, a lot of snow for a long time. This just sounds like another instance of private land owners getting frustrated with the F and W processes that they have in place. I am a Washington resident from just north of Wallowa county and all I am basing my words of is our WDFW, but it sounds like the same grade of grease over there. Hard to make assumptions with out having the full story or being there first hand, but im sure he isn't the first farmer that has wanted to go on a killing spree fueled by the lack of concern by local government, to prove a point . Sometimes I think the fish and game forgets that community has to be number one. Too many times they put the needs of animals ( almost always in surplus populations) over the needs of their fellow man.
Maybe the local fish and game departments will take this winter as a learning lesson. Sooner or later bad winters happen and instead of wasting money on armor all for their tire on their brand new rigs they get every year they can start a fund for feeding animals in harsh winter conditions..... :bash:
Bottom line, guy sound like one of lower intelligence to say the least. Wouldn't be surprised if he ends up working for ODFW!
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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2017, 11:21:11 AM »
He wasted 25 animals. They could've fed 50 hungry families for months. What he did was disgusting.
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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2017, 11:44:58 AM »
Yeah.......... got that part........ :tup:

 You want to see something disgusting, go over to eastern Washington or northern Idaho and look at the waist on an Indian reservation.........I'd bet all my guns that you wouldn't have a hard time finding 25 rotting animals any time of year in any of those places. This is an isolated incident by one " off his rocker " individual. Yeah it was a lot of waist and he should be punished. But its hardly a drop in the bucket compared to what's going on year after year right in our back yard that nothing is being done about ....
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Wallowa man arrested, charged with poaching after 25 elk carcasses found
« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2017, 01:23:53 PM »
http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2017/04/wallowa_man_arrested_charged_w.html#incart_most-read_

A 68-year-old Wallowa man was arrested after state fish and wildlife troopers discovered more than two dozen elk carcasses in and around his Northeast Oregon property.

Larry Harshfield was taken into custody April 8 and charged with illegally killing a dozen elk on his property. Oregon State Police said there was no indication any effort was made to salvage the meat. An "extensive investigation" from wildlife enforcement troopers determined the Wallowa man allegedly killed 13 more elk on an adjacent property.

The arrest comes as the state has stepped up enforcement of wildlife laws. In the past five years alone, troopers have averaged 764 poaching investigations a year, with most cases involving elk or deer.

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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2017, 01:33:59 PM »
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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2017, 01:39:05 PM »
Yeah.......... got that part........ :tup:

 You want to see something disgusting, go over to eastern Washington or northern Idaho and look at the waist on an Indian reservation.........I'd bet all my guns that you wouldn't have a hard time finding 25 rotting animals any time of year in any of those places. This is an isolated incident by one " off his rocker " individual. Yeah it was a lot of waist and he should be punished. But its hardly a drop in the bucket compared to what's going on year after year right in our back yard that nothing is being done about ....

It sounds like you're trying to justify his acts by other wrong acts. Sorry, but I don't subscribe to situational ethics. I don't care if he's off his rocker, a lazy slob, or a psychopath. Glad they caught him and hope they throw all the books at him. You know how I feel and I know how you feel.
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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2017, 07:47:01 AM »
Read the fourth sentence in my paragraph you highlighted......... I think it says something about "Yeah it was a lot of waist and he should be punished"

 I certainly wasn't defending or justifying his actions. If anything it was a prod to the DFW departments in the area. I know ( most of the time ) they are less that compassionate in situations with landowners battling wild life destruction. Here they are again basically saying " we gave him all the tools to prevent this from happening" like they can do no wrong. Look into the "tools" that they have to offer.........its a joke.
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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2017, 07:51:12 AM »
The Harshfields released a statement on the elk case.  I would recommend that anyone with a strong opinion on the matter should read this.

http://www.myeasternoregon.com/2017/04/18/wallowa-county-harshfields-release-statement-on-elk-case/

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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2017, 08:02:39 AM »
I read it. Tough. Thet are not above the law. I get their frustration but you break the law you pay the price.
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