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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2017, 08:09:32 AM »
I agree with you, sounds like a tough situation for them.  I live in La Grande and I would have been happy to head up to their place and field dress/process an elk. I would have taken a day of vacation and gone up mid week if I had to. I'm sure I could have found a number of people down here willing to do the same.

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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2017, 08:15:25 AM »
I read it as well, really understand their frustration.

But I read a sense of entitlement to government protection from the same natural world that provides for thier livelihood.

If you're going to demand the government help, you need to be a little flexible.  In this case, it would mean allowing a few more depredation hunts to people other than your immediate friends & family.  Her argument for not allowing others to kill elk in-season on their land is weak, imho, and it appears some depredation tags went unfilled.  And by her own admission, the elk were there for all hunting seasons - bow and muzzy included.

Poor choices by landowner in response to depending on a typical non-responsive, bureaucratic government agecy to fulfill a sense of entitlement they adopted on their own.  Had they allowed more people to hunt, they likely wouldn't have this problem.  It was their decision, and decisions have consequences.
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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2017, 08:36:40 AM »
Interestingly enough, if they had allowed more people to hunt, they would have soon been someone else's problem. But *censored*, you can't do it like this.

This is an isolated case, but people do funny things when it comes to wildlife, stock and the government. Look at the psychologist here that shot a up bunch of cows up in a free range area up Glass Hill.

Maybe something good will come of this, like some new thoughts on depredation and management. I know this was a brutal winter, believe me. I lived it. I hate the depredation hunts they have here in Union, Wallowa, and to some degree Baker Counties. I've participated in them several times - it can be the wild west. The valleys aren't very big and I've seen it get uncomfortable. Unfortunately, muzzleloaders aren't effective enough.

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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2017, 08:37:37 AM »
I read it as well, really understand their frustration.

But I read a sense of entitlement to government protection from the same natural world that provides for thier livelihood.

If you're going to demand the government help, you need to be a little flexible.  In this case, it would mean allowing a few more depredation hunts to people other than your immediate friends & family.  Her argument for not allowing others to kill elk in-season on their land is weak, imho, and it appears some depredation tags went unfilled.  And by her own admission, the elk were there for all hunting seasons - bow and muzzy included.

Poor choices by landowner in response to depending on a typical non-responsive, bureaucratic government agecy to fulfill a sense of entitlement they adopted on their own.  Had they allowed more people to hunt, they likely wouldn't have this problem.  It was their decision, and decisions have consequences.

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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2017, 08:51:40 AM »
Read the press report from the property owner and although I understand their frustration level better I still don't agree with their actions.
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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2017, 11:56:44 AM »
I read their press report and it solidified my opinion that the guy needs the book thrown at him.  No excuses or mitigating circumstances based on my read of the ODFW, OSP and landowner releases.
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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2017, 12:00:26 PM »
BTW I don't think that the landowner press release helped their case in any way.  I would be shocked if the defense thinks that was a good idea.  Rookie move IMHO.
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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2017, 12:04:16 PM »
BTW I don't think that the landowner press release helped their case in any way.  I would be shocked if the defense thinks that was a good idea.  Rookie move IMHO.

I don't see this ending well for them. 

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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #33 on: April 20, 2017, 01:38:20 PM »
BTW I don't think that the landowner press release helped their case in any way.  I would be shocked if the defense thinks that was a good idea.  Rookie move IMHO.

I thought the same thing, but their attorney released it for them.   They must be feeling pretty ostracized by the press, forums like this and/or their community to do something like that.
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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #34 on: April 20, 2017, 01:54:55 PM »
Hang em ,I have asked a lot of land owners for permission to hunt.And these are the types that tell you no.I have no remorse for anything they have coming,and do agree allowing hunting may have help there case,and to lazy to gut, skin, and take it to local butcher , so local low income family's can benefit,what a $@#@ these people are.

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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #35 on: April 20, 2017, 02:00:26 PM »
I do feel sympathy for them.  But, if they didn't allow access to push the critters off their land they are less sympathetic.  It's tough to tell the extent to which they allowed hunting.

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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #36 on: April 20, 2017, 02:07:58 PM »
Nope still no remorse from me.

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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #37 on: April 20, 2017, 02:16:06 PM »
From the landowner press release:

In answer to the accusations that we don’t allow hunters, that is not correct.  We have allowed people we know, who can utilize the meat, to purchase depredation tags.   Often times they are working during the week and can only hunt on weekends or evenings.  This limits the time that the tags allow.  Another reason we have limited hunters coming on our property, if the hunters come from outside Wallowa County, they are not familiar with our fence lines.  We do not have permission from adjoining landowners to kill elk on their ground.  Yes, we are particular who hunts on our property as we feel responsible if shots are fired towards neighbor’s homes and an elk is killed off of our property.

I have no sympathy for them.  Don't charge fees and limit hunting and the elk problem would not be as severe.  If they allowed enough hunting they may even reduce the overall population.

If folks can't deal with wildlife on their property I suggest they sell and move to town where they won't be "burdened".  :twocents:
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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #38 on: April 20, 2017, 02:20:56 PM »
Hang em ,I have asked a lot of land owners for permission to hunt.And these are the types that tell you no.I have no remorse for anything they have coming,and do agree allowing hunting may have help there case,and to lazy to gut, skin, and take it to local butcher , so local low income family's can benefit,what a $@#@ these people are.

On some level I can appreciate that they may have felt too busy with other critical farm duties to take the time to gut and skin the animals and drive them to a local butcher.  Even for a pro, not counting driving time that could be half an hour per elk by the time they get the rifle, shoot the elk, get the tractor out there to string it up, and gut/skin it.  If it really took removal of 20 elk to solve their problem, that's a huge effort.

That said, their excuses are still overall lame.  If the elk are that bad they could have gotten damage permits and allowed hunters to do it all for them.  I can understand a reluctance to let strangers onto your land for that, but now the dude is likely to go to jail and/or pay massive fines.  Best case they're going to be out $10-30k for their lawyer, even if the lawyer gets them off Scot free.  I'm guessing that even if the hunters did some damage in the process of dealing with the elk that would have been FAR less of a burden to them in the end.

And if they were that worried they could require the hunters be placed in a specific location with clearly defined fields of fire rather than being allowed to wander all over.  Or some other means of minimizing potential for damage.  It's not that hard.

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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #39 on: April 20, 2017, 02:23:33 PM »
 :yeah:

Ya then they say they paid for 7,000 in fencing , but we can't afford to haul the elk to butcher shop with kill permits,give me a break.

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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #40 on: April 20, 2017, 02:33:32 PM »
They could have asked for help from the hunting community and taken care of this the legal and moral way and provided food for others in need instead of wasting it.
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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #41 on: April 21, 2017, 08:35:59 AM »
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Yeah I do not think its going to be pretty for these folks. I hope all the people that here of this will learn from it, most of all I hope the ODFW takes something away from this.
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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #42 on: April 21, 2017, 04:09:18 PM »
I read it as well, really understand their frustration.

But I read a sense of entitlement to government protection from the same natural world that provides for thier livelihood.

If you're going to demand the government help, you need to be a little flexible.  In this case, it would mean allowing a few more depredation hunts to people other than your immediate friends & family.  Her argument for not allowing others to kill elk in-season on their land is weak, imho, and it appears some depredation tags went unfilled.  And by her own admission, the elk were there for all hunting seasons - bow and muzzy included.

Poor choices by landowner in response to depending on a typical non-responsive, bureaucratic government agecy to fulfill a sense of entitlement they adopted on their own.  Had they allowed more people to hunt, they likely wouldn't have this problem.  It was their decision, and decisions have consequences.

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I agree they could have alleviated the problem just allowing more hunters. Sounds like the elk were there during the rut long before the big snow hit. If they would have allowed a lot more hunters problem would have been solved 

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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #43 on: April 21, 2017, 04:31:47 PM »
Maybe the guy needs mental help? Maybe he's like the hoarders out there with there cars full of trash? :dunno:  Just stiring the pot with this coment.
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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #44 on: April 21, 2017, 05:36:04 PM »
Speculation, many hunters are slobs. If the allegations are in fact true, letting people hunt the property the years prior would have absolutely no effect on the end result.

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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #45 on: April 21, 2017, 08:54:44 PM »
From the landowner press release:

In answer to the accusations that we don’t allow hunters, that is not correct.  We have allowed people we know, who can utilize the meat, to purchase depredation tags.   Often times they are working during the week and can only hunt on weekends or evenings.  This limits the time that the tags allow.  Another reason we have limited hunters coming on our property, if the hunters come from outside Wallowa County, they are not familiar with our fence linesWe do not have permission from adjoining landowners to kill elk on their ground.  Yes, we are particular who hunts on our property as we feel responsible if shots are fired towards neighbor’s homes and an elk is killed off of our property.[/color]

I have no sympathy for them.  Don't charge fees and limit hunting and the elk problem would not be as severe.  If they allowed enough hunting they may even reduce the overall population.

If folks can't deal with wildlife on their property I suggest they sell and move to town where they won't be "burdened".  :twocents:

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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #46 on: April 21, 2017, 09:45:14 PM »
Speculation, many hunters are slobs. If the allegations are in fact true, letting people hunt the property the years prior would have absolutely no effect on the end result.

Yeah, but most aren't slob enough to leave dozens of dead elk rotting all over the place. I call BS on his claims. He's trying to justify killing an entire herd of elk. He'll say anything.
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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #47 on: April 26, 2017, 12:24:56 PM »
I thought some where it said 200 head of elk? That unit is huge and I don't think there would have been enough hunting pressure at their place to make a difference and how many people would have hunted it ?  Elk don't stay away from a place for 5 months just because a few were shot....... The whole thing is getting diluted I think. Comes down to a guy made a bad choice. There is always more than one choice.
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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #48 on: May 02, 2017, 06:39:52 AM »
It's easy to judge the misdeeds of others. It seems to me for a family that has been ranching a decent chunk of land for 40 years that they could have called on their neighbors and the local community for help with depredation kills. I've never known rural people to not help those in need.

Too bad they chose to take things into their own hands. Hope they don't lose their ranch over it but boy that was a pretty huge mistake on their part.

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Re: 25 rotting elk carcasses, charges filed
« Reply #49 on: May 02, 2017, 07:16:02 AM »
Wow. That is an obscene amount of wanton waste.  I hope they throw the book at that guy. His wife's released statement is doing them no favors either.



 

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