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Re: Colville Valley Wolf Pack
« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2017, 07:44:41 AM »
Just one of many issues with wolves and what sets them apart from other animals on the fraudulent ESA is the fact that the wolves were never endangered and were released illegally into the lower 48, which brings us to the agenda, ruining public/private grazing and curtailing hunting.

If you look at the history of the illegal introduction and how the USFWS refuse to confirm wolf packs etc. you will notice the same has happened with WDF&Wolves.

WDFW were finally forced to confirm a pack in the Methow Valley in 2008, after years of reports and sightings, along with hair, and scat samples, and the reason the pack was finally confirmed was because it was reported to the WSP for hanging out at a school bus stop in Carlton. “Hard to hide that 911 call”.. For years that one pack would be blamed for every wolf in the county.

Everyone has their opinion on how to fix the problem, from change the law to SS, which is the same. Even if the agenda driven WDFW were to open wolf hunting up today, it would change nothing Remember the 15 bp wolf plan 9 years ago and then the failure to confirm wolves and wolf predation on livestock unless forced to do so?

WY. MT, and Idaho had enough wolves to delist in 6-six years.

The environmentalist working along side the USFWS prolonged the delisting in ID, MT and Wyoming by suing at every turn, and having a very special judge. In Washingtons case WDFW already had the fix in by refusing to confirm wolves/wolf packs and then with their bogus 15 bp wolf plan, so that wolves would expand out of control before people realized it.

Wyoming stuck to their guns, and came out better then ID or MT.



WDFW claim wolves started “migrating” into WA in 2002. WDFW have slow played the people of WA, causing untold damage to the livestock industry and ungulates. In a nutshell, WDF&Wolves really don’t need the environmentalists lawsuits to prolong delisting, as we are seeing, although they do have them on the WAG for support and to help run the propaganda. Tea anyone?

 Now 15 years later WDFW are sticking with their plan of delisting in the fog years down the road and wolves are seen in broad daylight scoping out their next slaughter house.

While livestock producers and ungulates are punished with an illegally introduced wolf by a corrupt agencies run by another corrupt agencies which flows from more corruption, people ponder on what is the best way to protect their interests. And the circle continues…………..

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Re: Colville Valley Wolf Pack
« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2017, 07:58:44 AM »
How the state is handling the wolf issue is a disgrace. When the state removes the ability to protect your property they force you to suffer economically or be an outlaw.  Essentially an unreimbursed taking by the state.  Is it really a surprise that normally law abiding citizens are willing to cross the line? Suffer the slow demise of financial loss or take your chances...

There are ways to take the fight back against the bunny huggers. Trials by jury can deflect much of the sting intended to make examples of people. Do you all remember the guy who shot the wolf outside of Pullman? He got a light slap on the wrist. Why? The local county officials and judges knew that the local population would take harsh treatment out on them come election time.

We Do NOT need an armed rebellion, just an organized one to send the message loud and clear to your local judges, prosecutors, County Councilmen that you are willing to expend all your effort against them.





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Re: Colville Valley Wolf Pack
« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2017, 08:01:23 AM »
And the USFW is trying to import Grizzly in the N cascades with the same game plan.

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Re: Colville Valley Wolf Pack
« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2017, 08:57:28 AM »
And the USFW is trying to import Grizzly in the N cascades with the same game plan.

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Honestly a few grizzlies probably wouldn't cause much harm, we've had them for years in the northeast but grizzlies multiply much slower than wolves and haven't yet multiplied like wolves have to cause significant problems. A few wolves wouldn't cause much harm either, the problem is that the "huggers/greenies" in this state will prevent any management of predators at every turn. No matter how over populated grizzlies become, no matter how much trouble they cause for rural residents in WA, the huggers will prevent management by any means necessary. By controlling WDFW, by phony working groups, by legislation, by ballot box, by lawsuit, one way or another the huggers will prevent any meaningful management of predators in WA for as long as possible. The only possible chance for management of predators somewhere in the future is to convince enough residents of this state of the harm wolves/grizzlies/cougars do when their numbers are not managed, and that will take quite a long time unfortunately. Currently most urban dwellers could care less how many cattle or pets are eaten in rural areas or how much it costs rural residents, but once predators start impacting the suburbs we will begin to see a change in public attitude. :twocents:
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Re: Colville Valley Wolf Pack
« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2017, 09:40:00 AM »
Here in lies the problem. You don't just have Wa residents voting on Grizzlies or Wolves here in Wa. You have these coordinated groups from outside of Wa voting on issues that will probably never affect them. Example a greenie or tree hugger from Mississippi voting on reintroduction of grizzlies in the NCNP. :twocents:
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Re: Colville Valley Wolf Pack
« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2017, 09:45:17 AM »
...and the other problem is the total predator outlook and lack of plan. They don't know how to count cougars. Wolves are multiplying fast, up to 40%/year. Grizzlies are just another straw on the camel's back. Without a cohesive predator management plan, we shouldn't be looking at one more apex predator. We have no idea what's happening now.
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Re: Colville Valley Wolf Pack
« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2017, 10:15:39 AM »
Here in lies the problem. You don't just have Wa residents voting on Grizzlies or Wolves here in Wa. You have these coordinated groups from outside of Wa voting on issues that will probably never affect them. Example a greenie or tree hugger from Mississippi voting on reintroduction of grizzlies in the NCNP. :twocents:
How often have you as a hunter voted on legislation outside of Wa?

I think all Americans should have some say as to what happens in the national parks. But it's the residents of Washington and WA government (incluiding WDFW) who control what happens in the rest of the state. :twocents:
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Re: Colville Valley Wolf Pack
« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2017, 10:24:39 AM »
That's fine and dandy but when its a coordinated effort that is not on the federal level only and paid to participate then it becomes a purchased effort. Also the grizzlies are going to stay in the park right?

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Re: Colville Valley Wolf Pack
« Reply #33 on: April 20, 2017, 10:31:03 AM »
That's fine and dandy but when its a coordinated effort that is not on the federal level only and paid to participate then it becomes a purchased effort.

I certainly agree it's a coordinated effort by groups but  should be able to influence what happens in our parks. Residents in the states should have more control regarding management outside the parks. I really don't care if they want grizzlies or wolves in parks, but we should be able to control predator numbers outside the park.
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