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Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« on: May 08, 2017, 08:41:24 PM »
If a person has the multi season deer and draws a 2nd deer permit, can you use different weapons for each tag?
...Kill a deer in archery general season, then use a rifle for the 2nd deer modern permit?

2nd deer permit regs say "The second tag must be the same weapon choice as your first tag" ....but if you have a multi tag, you do not have to specify weapon for the tag.  :dunno:

The letter that confirms you were successful in drawing a multi deer states "Your multi season tag can only be used during general seasons and in GMU's that are open during a modern, muzzy, archery general season for deer."

But the multi season permits regs state "You may apply for any weapon type special hunting permits"

So which is it?       



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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2017, 08:50:00 PM »
I think it doesn't matter as this is way more ambiguous than the raffle tags and u can hunt closed gmu's with that so just do whatever you want :twocents:
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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2017, 08:54:45 PM »
 :chuckle:       just curious to see how everyone else reads this.

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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2017, 05:45:22 AM »
I would think that you would be bound to the weapon type on the 2nd deer permit. Your general tag could be filled with the multi in any general season.... :dunno: :twocents:

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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2017, 06:15:06 AM »
I would think that you would be bound to the weapon type on the 2nd deer permit. Your general tag could be filled with the multi in any general season.... :dunno: :twocents:
:yeah: but I think you could apply for any of the weapon types for the second deer tag.
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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2017, 06:30:53 AM »
The multi season permit allows you to apply for permits in any weapon category but your 2nd permit is restricted. You could not use a firearm if the 2nd permit were for archery. It is the same for general seasons. You can hunt the archery general seasons but only with archery gear.
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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2017, 06:47:27 AM »
What would your weapon requirement be on hunts 1400-1408?

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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2017, 06:54:26 AM »
If u get drawn for modern rifle 2nd deer then use a rifle.
get drawn for archery use archery
get drawn for muzzy use a smokepole.


Pretty straight forward to me.  Having a MS tag allows you to apply for all 3 variants of special applications.
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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2017, 07:21:48 AM »
If u get drawn for modern rifle 2nd deer then use a rifle.
get drawn for archery use archery
get drawn for muzzy use a smokepole.


Pretty straight forward to me.  Having a MS tag allows you to apply for all 3 variants of special applications.
The Hunts I mentioned are  any weapon. So not really very straightforward.

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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2017, 07:38:01 AM »
What would your weapon requirement be on hunts 1400-1408?
"Any". With a multi season permit you could use any weapon for those hunts.
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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2017, 07:51:34 AM »
What would your weapon requirement be on hunts 1400-1408?
"Any". With a multi season permit you could use any weapon for those hunts.


Are those hunts General season or permit ?   If the multi can only be used for general season,  as stated in the letter,  then one should not be able to apply for special permits

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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2017, 07:52:47 AM »
 Going to call WDFW  today and see what their answer is, that should be entertaining  :chuckle:

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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2017, 07:55:44 AM »
 Personally,  I do not see why it would matter.  You have already purchased a multi tag,  and then if drawn for a second deer you have to purchase another tag.   Two different tags purchased  why should it matter that they are different weapons?

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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2017, 08:19:22 AM »
This is something worth asking the WDFW. But I'm pretty sure if drawn for one of these "any" second deer permits, when you purchase the tag you will need to specify which weapon. Your general season tag is for all General seasons but for this special permit hunt I think you'll need to pick just one method.

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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2017, 09:08:25 AM »
2nd deer permits are weapon specific unless they say any weapon. And they also are date specific and gmu specific. So if i drew a 2nd deer tag for modern fire arm for nov 1 -12 i could only take my 2nd deer during that time bit could use any weapon since it is modern. Now if i drew an archery 2nd deer during sept. I would only be anle to take the 2nd deer during that season with archery equipment

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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2017, 09:12:35 AM »
None of the second deer permits are "any weapon." What they are is- "you can apply with any tag." If you draw I'm not sure the tag you purchase will say "Multi Season" on it. I think you would need to choose one method for that second tag.

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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2017, 10:57:29 AM »
2nd deer permits are weapon specific unless they say any weapon. And they also are date specific and gmu specific. So if i drew a 2nd deer tag for modern fire arm for nov 1 -12 i could only take my 2nd deer during that time bit could use any weapon since it is modern. Now if i drew an archery 2nd deer during sept. I would only be anle to take the 2nd deer during that season with archery equipment

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The issue is not  with the  weapon specific second tag,  it is how this second tag affects the multi tag.
 The multi tag allows you to apply for all permits all weapons,  The drawing of a second deer permit should not  re-strict or void the use of your multi.
 If a person has a multi-deer and a 2nd tag for modern,  then kills a buck archery,  does this effectively void the second tag because it's modern ?  OR  A person kills their second dear modern first,  that would restrict you to only using your multi for modern.   Something doesn't sound right to me.

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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2017, 11:02:36 AM »
Nock Nock- it would make no difference which method a person uses to kill a deer with their multi season deer tag. How would that have any effect on their use of their second tag? They're totally separate. I'm not really sure I understand what you're saying.   :dunno:

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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2017, 11:10:37 AM »
Nock Nock- it would make no difference which method a person uses to kill a deer with their multi season deer tag. How would that have any effect on their use of their second tag? They're totally separate. I'm not really sure I understand what you're saying.   :dunno:
There is one effect that the multi-season permit has on a second deer tag in the 1400-1408 range. While a hunter with any deer tag can apply for these permits, the harvest must be made with the weapon of choice on the primary tag. Someone with an archery tag would have to use archery gear on one of these second deer permits. A hunter with a multi-season permit could use any weapon to harvest a second deer with a permit in the 1400-1408 range.

The second permit has no bearing at all on the primary permit.
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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2017, 11:12:27 AM »
I would think that you would be bound to the weapon type on the 2nd deer permit. Your general tag could be filled with the multi in any general season.... :dunno: :twocents:

Second deer tags are drawing tags and weapon specific. Each special tag specifies which weapon you can use if you are drawn. Having a multi season tag allows you to apply for tags with any weapon, but once you are drawn for that tag, you have to hunt with the weapon you chose.  You can't apply for an archery tag, then hunt it with a modern rifle.

Just like with a multi season tag, you can hunt any open season, but you must hunt with the weapon specified for that season.  You can't go out in Sept in an archery unit and hunt with a modern firearm. You must hunt with a bow.
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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2017, 11:17:49 AM »
I would think that you would be bound to the weapon type on the 2nd deer permit. Your general tag could be filled with the multi in any general season.... :dunno: :twocents:

Second deer tags are drawing tags and weapon specific. Each special tag specifies which weapon you can use if you are drawn. Having a multi season tag allows you to apply for tags with any weapon, but once you are drawn for that tag, you have to hunt with the weapon you chose.  You can't apply for an archery tag, then hunt it with a modern rifle.

Just like with a multi season tag, you can hunt any open season, but you must hunt with the weapon specified for that season.  You can't go out in Sept in an archery unit and hunt with a modern firearm. You must hunt with a bow.
Permits in the 1400-1408 range may be applied for by any primary tag holder: archery, muzzleloader, or modern. Because he has a multi-season permit, his primary tag is not weapon specific and therefore he could use any weapon for the second deer permit.
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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2017, 11:17:58 AM »
2nd deer permits are weapon specific unless they say any weapon. And they also are date specific and gmu specific. So if i drew a 2nd deer tag for modern fire arm for nov 1 -12 i could only take my 2nd deer during that time bit could use any weapon since it is modern. Now if i drew an archery 2nd deer during sept. I would only be anle to take the 2nd deer during that season with archery equipment

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It only affects which hunts you can apply for. With a modern tag you can only apply for a modern firearms draw or an any weapon draw.  With an archery tag, you can only apply for an archery draw or an any weapon draw. With a muzzleloader tag, you can only apply for a muzzleloader draw or an any weapon draw. But with a multi season tag, you can apply for any draw. But you are restricted to the weapon listed in the hunt description.


The issue is not  with the  weapon specific second tag,  it is how this second tag affects the multi tag.
 The multi tag allows you to apply for all permits all weapons,  The drawing of a second deer permit should not  re-strict or void the use of your multi.
 If a person has a multi-deer and a 2nd tag for modern,  then kills a buck archery,  does this effectively void the second tag because it's modern ?  OR  A person kills their second dear modern first,  that would restrict you to only using your multi for modern.   Something doesn't sound right to me.
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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2017, 11:21:01 AM »
I would think that you would be bound to the weapon type on the 2nd deer permit. Your general tag could be filled with the multi in any general season.... :dunno: :twocents:

Second deer tags are drawing tags and weapon specific. Each special tag specifies which weapon you can use if you are drawn. Having a multi season tag allows you to apply for tags with any weapon, but once you are drawn for that tag, you have to hunt with the weapon you chose.  You can't apply for an archery tag, then hunt it with a modern rifle.

Just like with a multi season tag, you can hunt any open season, but you must hunt with the weapon specified for that season.  You can't go out in Sept in an archery unit and hunt with a modern firearm. You must hunt with a bow.
Permits in the 1400-1408 range may be applied for by any primary tag holder: archery, muzzleloader, or modern. Because he has a multi-season permit, his primary tag is not weapon specific and therefore he could use any weapon for the second deer permit.

Yes, because any weapon may apply for that tag. And the multi tag holder may use any weapon.  But in weapon specific hunts, a multi season tag holder has to hunt with the specific weapon.
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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2017, 11:22:20 AM »
I would think that you would be bound to the weapon type on the 2nd deer permit. Your general tag could be filled with the multi in any general season.... :dunno: :twocents:

Second deer tags are drawing tags and weapon specific. Each special tag specifies which weapon you can use if you are drawn. Having a multi season tag allows you to apply for tags with any weapon, but once you are drawn for that tag, you have to hunt with the weapon you chose.  You can't apply for an archery tag, then hunt it with a modern rifle.

Just like with a multi season tag, you can hunt any open season, but you must hunt with the weapon specified for that season.  You can't go out in Sept in an archery unit and hunt with a modern firearm. You must hunt with a bow.
Permits in the 1400-1408 range may be applied for by any primary tag holder: archery, muzzleloader, or modern. Because he has a multi-season permit, his primary tag is not weapon specific and therefore he could use any weapon for the second deer permit.

Do you have personal experience with that or have you verified with the WDFW? What I'm not clear on is does the second tag then also say "Multi Season" on it? It seems to me that the person with a general multi season tag, who draws one of the 1400-1408 permits would be required to specify if they want an archery tag, muzzleloader, or modern firearm.  :dunno:

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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2017, 11:25:10 AM »
None of the second deer permits are "any weapon." What they are is- "you can apply with any tag." If you draw I'm not sure the tag you purchase will say "Multi Season" on it. I think you would need to choose one method for that second tag.
The 1400-1408 range of permits can be applied for by any tag holder. The permit holder "May hunt only with the hunting
method in compliance with your tag." For a hunter with a multi-season permit that would allow the use of any method for the second deer permit.
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