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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2017, 11:37:20 AM »
None of the second deer permits are "any weapon." What they are is- "you can apply with any tag." If you draw I'm not sure the tag you purchase will say "Multi Season" on it. I think you would need to choose one method for that second tag.
The 1400-1408 range of permits can be applied for by any tag holder. The permit holder "May hunt only with the hunting
method in compliance with your tag." For a hunter with a multi-season permit that would allow the use of any method for the second deer permit.

It sure would seem that way but do you know for sure that the second tag purchased after drawing the permit will say "Multi season" on it?

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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2017, 02:17:42 PM »
Nock Nock- it would make no difference which method a person uses to kill a deer with their multi season deer tag. How would that have any effect on their use of their second tag? They're totally separate. I'm not really sure I understand what you're saying.   :dunno:
There is one effect that the multi-season permit has on a second deer tag in the 1400-1408 range. While a hunter with any deer tag can apply for these permits, the harvest must be made with the weapon of choice on the primary tag. Someone with an archery tag would have to use archery gear on one of these second deer permits. A hunter with a multi-season permit could use any weapon to harvest a second deer with a permit in the 1400-1408 range.

The second permit has no bearing at all on the primary permit.


This :yeah: is correct.

WDFW confirmed what I thought was the appropriate answer to my original question.
A multi tag holder can shoot a deer in archery season, with archery equip., tag it with their multi tag, and then if holding a 2nd deer modern tag/permit/, shoot a 2nd deer with modern equipment as long as they are hunting according to the specific 2nd tag restrictions (weapon and dates)

Page 26 of the regs says that "The second tag must be the same weapon choice as your first tag." This only applies to those hunters that do not possess a multi tag.......So for the 1400-1408 hunts, if drawn and no multi, you would have to hunt that permit with the same weapon as listed on your 1st tag.

As far as the Multi confirmation letter stating that multi only applies to general seasons........ well, we all know how good WDFW is at conveying correct and understandable language in a written form.  :bash:

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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2017, 04:48:37 PM »
So for the 1400-1408 hunts, if drawn and no multi, you would have to hunt that permit with the same weapon as listed on your 1st tag.

EXCEPT........... if your 1st tag is Modern Firearms, you can still hunt with any weapon.
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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2017, 06:22:53 PM »
So for the 1400-1408 hunts, if drawn and no multi, you would have to hunt that permit with the same weapon as listed on your 1st tag.

EXCEPT........... if your 1st tag is Modern Firearms, you can still hunt with any weapon.
NOCK NOCK is correct. Without a multi-season permit, a modern firearm tag holder would not be able to hunt with any weapon for a second deer. He would have to hunt with a modern firearm.

"You may hunt only with the hunting method in compliance with your tag."
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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2017, 07:05:46 PM »
So for the 1400-1408 hunts, if drawn and no multi, you would have to hunt that permit with the same weapon as listed on your 1st tag.

EXCEPT........... if your 1st tag is Modern Firearms, you can still hunt with any weapon.
NOCK NOCK is correct. Without a multi-season permit, a modern firearm tag holder would not be able to hunt with any weapon for a second deer. He would have to hunt with a modern firearm.

"You may hunt only with the hunting method in compliance with your tag."

But it's legal to hunt with a bow or a muzzleloader if you have a modern tag.

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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #30 on: May 09, 2017, 07:31:40 PM »
So for the 1400-1408 hunts, if drawn and no multi, you would have to hunt that permit with the same weapon as listed on your 1st tag.

EXCEPT........... if your 1st tag is Modern Firearms, you can still hunt with any weapon.
NOCK NOCK is correct. Without a multi-season permit, a modern firearm tag holder would not be able to hunt with any weapon for a second deer. He would have to hunt with a modern firearm.

"You may hunt only with the hunting method in compliance with your tag."

But it's legal to hunt with a bow or a muzzleloader if you have a modern tag.
In general seasons, yes. Permit hunts have some specific restrictions as in this case where the weapon used must match the tag.
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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #31 on: May 09, 2017, 07:47:17 PM »
So for the 1400-1408 hunts, if drawn and no multi, you would have to hunt that permit with the same weapon as listed on your 1st tag.

EXCEPT........... if your 1st tag is Modern Firearms, you can still hunt with any weapon.
NOCK NOCK is correct. Without a multi-season permit, a modern firearm tag holder would not be able to hunt with any weapon for a second deer. He would have to hunt with a modern firearm.

"You may hunt only with the hunting method in compliance with your tag."

But it's legal to hunt with a bow or a muzzleloader if you have a modern tag.
In general seasons, yes. Permit hunts have some specific restrictions as in this case where the weapon used must match the tag.

A bow or muzzleloader WOULD match a modern tag. Modern firearms, archery, and muzzleloaders are legal to use during modern firearm season. Is there a law that specifically says you can't use a bow or muzzleloader on a modern firearm permit hunt? If so, that's dumb.

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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #32 on: May 09, 2017, 07:51:46 PM »
So for the 1400-1408 hunts, if drawn and no multi, you would have to hunt that permit with the same weapon as listed on your 1st tag.

EXCEPT........... if your 1st tag is Modern Firearms, you can still hunt with any weapon.
NOCK NOCK is correct. Without a multi-season permit, a modern firearm tag holder would not be able to hunt with any weapon for a second deer. He would have to hunt with a modern firearm.

"You may hunt only with the hunting method in compliance with your tag."

But it's legal to hunt with a bow or a muzzleloader if you have a modern tag.
In general seasons, yes. Permit hunts have some specific restrictions as in this case where the weapon used must match the tag.

A bow or muzzleloader WOULD match a modern tag. Modern firearms, archery, and muzzleloaders are legal to use during modern firearm season. Is there a law that specifically says you can't use a bow or muzzleloader on a modern firearm permit hunt? If so, that's dumb.
You must use the weapon that coincides with the draw tag.

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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #33 on: May 09, 2017, 07:58:55 PM »
Okay, this seems to be going nowhere. How about a screenshot from the 2017 hunting regulations:


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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #34 on: May 09, 2017, 08:18:22 PM »
Okay, this seems to be going nowhere. How about a screenshot from the 2017 hunting regulations:


That's for general seasons. Screenshot the second deer permit restrictions.
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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #35 on: May 09, 2017, 08:33:38 PM »
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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #36 on: May 09, 2017, 10:18:28 PM »
I see nothing there that says you can't hunt with a bow or muzzleloader. It says "you may only hunt with the hunting method in compliance with your tag." If you have a modern tag, using a modern rifle, a bow, or a muzzleloader IS in "compliance with your tag." JMO, that's how I read it. Pretty sure in this situation a warden wouldn't cite someone who decided to use a bow for their second deer tag even though their regular tag is for modern firearm.

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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #37 on: May 09, 2017, 10:33:40 PM »
I see nothing there that says you can't hunt with a bow or muzzleloader. It says "you may only hunt with the hunting method in compliance with your tag." If you have a modern tag, using a modern rifle, a bow, or a muzzleloader IS in "compliance with your tag." JMO, that's how I read it. Pretty sure in this situation a warden wouldn't cite someone who decided to use a bow for their second deer tag even though their regular tag is for modern firearm.
It is in compliance during a general season. That is the only place you find reference to modern tag holders being allowed to use archery or muzzleloader equipment. The special permits have a different WAC and different regulations. It is apparent that you either can't or won't see that.

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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #38 on: May 09, 2017, 10:46:52 PM »
I see nothing there that says you can't hunt with a bow or muzzleloader. It says "you may only hunt with the hunting method in compliance with your tag." If you have a modern tag, using a modern rifle, a bow, or a muzzleloader IS in "compliance with your tag." JMO, that's how I read it. Pretty sure in this situation a warden wouldn't cite someone who decided to use a bow for their second deer tag even though their regular tag is for modern firearm.
It is in compliance during a general season. That is the only place you find reference to modern tag holders being allowed to use archery or muzzleloader equipment. The special permits have a different WAC and different regulations. It is apparent that you either can't or won't see that.

I'm done.

Nope. I've tried and I've tried, and I just can't see it any other way than what I've already stated. I could be wrong but I doubt it.   :chuckle:

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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #39 on: May 09, 2017, 11:58:48 PM »
I see nothing there that says you can't hunt with a bow or muzzleloader. It says "you may only hunt with the hunting method in compliance with your tag." If you have a modern tag, using a modern rifle, a bow, or a muzzleloader IS in "compliance with your tag." JMO, that's how I read it. Pretty sure in this situation a warden wouldn't cite someone who decided to use a bow for their second deer tag even though their regular tag is for modern firearm.

I agree with you Bob. Any weapon is in compliance during a modern season. The only limitation is that you must hunt during a modern Firearm season.
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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #40 on: May 10, 2017, 11:14:47 AM »
I agree and I might add that if you have a muzzleloader tag/license then you would be okay using a bow if you wish.

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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2017, 11:38:08 AM »
If a person has the multi season deer and draws a 2nd deer permit, can you use different weapons for each tag?
...Kill a deer in archery general season, then use a rifle for the 2nd deer modern permit?

2nd deer permit regs say "The second tag must be the same weapon choice as your first tag" ....but if you have a multi tag, you do not have to specify weapon for the tag.  :dunno:

The letter that confirms you were successful in drawing a multi deer states "Your multi season tag can only be used during general seasons and in GMU's that are open during a modern, muzzy, archery general season for deer."

But the multi season permits regs state "You may apply for any weapon type special hunting permits"

So which is it?     

They told me last year that it was not legal to hunt my 2nd general tag (modern) during archery or ML.  I had MS tag.   

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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #42 on: May 10, 2017, 09:09:42 PM »
If a person has the multi season deer and draws a 2nd deer permit, can you use different weapons for each tag?
...Kill a deer in archery general season, then use a rifle for the 2nd deer modern permit?

2nd deer permit regs say "The second tag must be the same weapon choice as your first tag" ....but if you have a multi tag, you do not have to specify weapon for the tag.  :dunno:

The letter that confirms you were successful in drawing a multi deer states "Your multi season tag can only be used during general seasons and in GMU's that are open during a modern, muzzy, archery general season for deer."

But the multi season permits regs state "You may apply for any weapon type special hunting permits"

So which is it?     

They told me last year that it was not legal to hunt my 2nd general tag (modern) during archery or ML.  I had MS tag.


That's cause it was a modern 2nd tag/permit. You have to hunt during the season specified for the permit you drew, in your case, it had to be during the specified dates for that modern permit.

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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #43 on: May 11, 2017, 06:54:51 AM »
Sorry to have missed the party but three years ago I had multi season and an any weapon second deer tag (September hunt) and they told me as long as I didn't shoot a buck with my rifle I was fine to use whatever weapon for my second tag.

That was from Wdfw so it could be wrong lol

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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #44 on: May 11, 2017, 08:13:07 AM »
If a person has the multi season deer and draws a 2nd deer permit, can you use different weapons for each tag?
...Kill a deer in archery general season, then use a rifle for the 2nd deer modern permit?

2nd deer permit regs say "The second tag must be the same weapon choice as your first tag" ....but if you have a multi tag, you do not have to specify weapon for the tag.  :dunno:

The letter that confirms you were successful in drawing a multi deer states "Your multi season tag can only be used during general seasons and in GMU's that are open during a modern, muzzy, archery general season for deer."

But the multi season permits regs state "You may apply for any weapon type special hunting permits"

So which is it?     

They told me last year that it was not legal to hunt my 2nd general tag (modern) during archery or ML.  I had MS tag.


That's cause it was a modern 2nd tag/permit. You have to hunt during the season specified for the permit you drew, in your case, it had to be during the specified dates for that modern permit.

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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #45 on: May 12, 2017, 07:38:05 AM »
So this thread had me curious since I drew multi season and planned on applying for 2nd deer and the tag is for Modern.  I just got off the phone with fish and game and the deputy chief said you can hunt a modern second deer tag with a lesser weapon.  When they read the game regs for second deer they did agree that it was confusing because it makes it seem like you have to hunt with that tags weapon only but said you can always hunt with a lesser weapon.

Hope this helps others but might not be a bad idea to call or email them for yourself to confirm.

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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #46 on: May 12, 2017, 08:07:53 AM »
Sorry to have missed the party but three years ago I had multi season and an any weapon second deer tag (September hunt) and they told me as long as I didn't shoot a buck with my rifle I was fine to use whatever weapon for my second tag.

That was from Wdfw so it could be wrong lol

That doesn't make sense. In that scenario it makes no difference what method you use with your general season tag.

What I'm curious about is the second tag. Did you have to specify which method for that tag? I ask because I've never had a second tag.

I would think it would have printed on it "Modern" "Muzzleloader" or "Archery" like all tags do. If so, and it was a modern tag, then you could use any method with your second tag.

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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #47 on: May 12, 2017, 10:17:12 AM »
Sorry to have missed the party but three years ago I had multi season and an any weapon second deer tag (September hunt) and they told me as long as I didn't shoot a buck with my rifle I was fine to use whatever weapon for my second tag.

That was from Wdfw so it could be wrong lol

That doesn't make sense. In that scenario it makes no difference what method you use with your general season tag.

What I'm curious about is the second tag. Did you have to specify which method for that tag? I ask because I've never had a second tag.

I would think it would have printed on it "Modern" "Muzzleloader" or "Archery" like all tags do. If so, and it was a modern tag, then you could use any method with your second tag.

I really wish I could remember what was printed on it but I don't recall. I will have to pay attention to it next time I draw.

I did not and have never had to declare a weapon choice for the hunt. It's an antlerless tag during general archery season and the general archery season is any deer for white tail or 3 point minimum or antlerless for mule deer. I told the guy I was planning on hunting the archery general season but wanted to shoot the first legal deer with my archery tag then go after my antlerless second deer tag with my rifle.

I was told as long as I don't shoot a buck with my rifle I could shoot a deer with my bow, and then use anything I wanted for a second doe and that as long as I don't shoot a buck with my rifle I would be fine.

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Re: Multi Season Deer vs 2nd Deer permit possibility
« Reply #48 on: May 12, 2017, 12:44:59 PM »
If a person has the multi season deer and draws a 2nd deer permit, can you use different weapons for each tag?
...Kill a deer in archery general season, then use a rifle for the 2nd deer modern permit?

2nd deer permit regs say "The second tag must be the same weapon choice as your first tag" ....but if you have a multi tag, you do not have to specify weapon for the tag.  :dunno:

The letter that confirms you were successful in drawing a multi deer states "Your multi season tag can only be used during general seasons and in GMU's that are open during a modern, muzzy, archery general season for deer."

But the multi season permits regs state "You may apply for any weapon type special hunting permits"

So which is it?     

They told me last year that it was not legal to hunt my 2nd general tag (modern) during archery or ML.  I had MS tag.


That's cause it was a modern 2nd tag/permit. You have to hunt during the season specified for the permit you drew, in your case, it had to be during the specified dates for that modern permit.

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I actually shot my second deer w/my crossbow during late Modern Season.  I was going to shoot an antlerless deer w/my compound bow, but the opportunity presented itself and I was trying to get the camp broke down too that day and not stay the night.   

 

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