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Re: Bear Weight--Need Your Help
« Reply #100 on: May 18, 2017, 08:21:56 AM »
Awesome information Rufous.  Those are a couple of real monsters. :tup:
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Re: Bear Weight--Need Your Help
« Reply #101 on: May 18, 2017, 08:31:11 AM »
There's going to be guys that take a lot of #150 bears. It's still important to get the data from those and to understand that bears over #350 are extremely rare and that #150-250 are your 4 and 5 point whitetails of bears. Don't be afraid to upload your numbers, be proud of your hunt and enjoy the memories.

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Bear Weight--Need Your Help
« Reply #102 on: May 18, 2017, 08:58:07 AM »
well said guys. i am not trying to take anything away from anyone. i worked backwards on this bear, taking the packweight of two backpacks (a known number) and then subtracting the gear, an estimate on the hide, and came up with very similar numbers

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Re: Bear Weight--Need Your Help
« Reply #103 on: May 18, 2017, 05:10:13 PM »
Gents, I am the guy that came up with the 4 legs (minus hide and feet) multiplied by 3.25 as an estimate of live weight. I came up with that figure by weighing the 4 legs of a couple bears and getting length and girth measurements of those same bears. I think it is close and will at least give a hunter a better clue than their wild ass guess. Of course we could also just report the weight of the legs since those do come out of the field and can easily be weighed on a bathroom scale. The 4 legs from my first bear, taken August 1 of 1997, weighed 104 pounds. I did not get the girth off that bear unfortunately. My biggest bear was taken in May of 2001 and its legs weighed 120#. It was a 13 year old boar with a 20" skull. The hide measured 77" nose to tail and 88" front claws to front claws. I do not remember the exact girth measurement but I do remember that from the chart I had figured it to weigh real close to 400# so the girth must have been 51". So if live weight based from the chart is 400 and the 4 legs weigh 120# then the formula of 400/120=3.33 in this case. So 3.25 would be conservative.

My brother's biggest bear had a girth of 48" and it was in the 66-78" length category so the chart would put its live weight at 350#. The 4 legs from that bear weighed 107#. So 107*3.25=347#

This formula I think is in the ball park.

Basically what we who care about such things would like to see happen is for bear hunters to measure the length and girth of the bears they shoot and then weigh the 4 legs and get more feedback on the veracity or lack thereof of this formula.

The cinammon bear is my biggest bear with 120# legs and the chocolate bear is my brother's with 107# legs. Thanks, Brian.

So are you just weighing the legs?  Wrist to shoulder or top of ham?  Does this mean backstraps, tenderloins, neck and rib meat is not weighed?

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Re: Bear Weight--Need Your Help
« Reply #104 on: May 18, 2017, 06:56:23 PM »
Correct, just weighing the legs. What one would normally cut off the carcass in order to bring out the meat on the bone.

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Re: Bear Weight--Need Your Help
« Reply #105 on: May 18, 2017, 07:05:59 PM »
This ?????

Black bear size (i.e., chest girth) is highly correlated with body weight. To estimate the weight of black bears, simply measure the bear's chest girth(use a nylon measure in inches) and the the cooresponding estimate of the bear's weight on the table below.

Chest Girth     Estimated weight
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29                      98
30                      108
31                      117
32                      128
33                      138
34                      149
35                      161
36                      173
37                      185
38                      198
39                      211
40                      225
41                      239
42                      253
43                      268
44                      284
45                      300
46                      316
47                      332
48                      350
49                      367
50                      385
51                      403
52                      422
53                      441
54                      461
55                      481
56                      502
57                      522
58                      544
59                      566
60                      588
61                      610
62                      633
63                      657
64                      681
65                      705
66                      730
67                      755
68                      781
69                      807
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Re: Bear Weight--Need Your Help
« Reply #106 on: May 18, 2017, 07:23:54 PM »
Ok I managed to get cut up today.  I wasn't able to weigh each quarter,  but I did my best to get the weights broke down. Additionally my scale must have been hung up when I tried to relax the hoist in the shop because when I weighed it on my refrigeration scale which is pretty accurate I was waaaay off or maybe I red kilos or something stupid......anyhow hers how it played out.

My best guess is about 45-50# per quarter based on :

I had #31 meat in the front shoulders and #15 of bones along with some trim. This number is a light representation as it didn't pull the whole quarter and the carcass weight will reflect that.

I had #30 in the hind meat
#43 in carcass meat
#24 in total bones other than carcass
#27 carcass weight after trimming.
#6 fat

So I have #105 clean meat.  #75 hide & head #161 meat and bones combined after hanging....so it was #236 gutted and dry. Guessing #40-50 on the blood/guts, so #276-286 live is might damn close.

Thank God,  when I weighed the carcass earlier I felt like a *censored* for not being able to toss it @ #100....lol. that extra #75 made a difference.

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Re: Bear Weight--Need Your Help
« Reply #107 on: May 18, 2017, 07:44:51 PM »
Ok I managed to get cut up today.  I wasn't able to weigh each quarter,  but I did my best to get the weights broke down. Additionally my scale must have been hung up when I tried to relax the hoist in the shop because when I weighed it on my refrigeration scale which is pretty accurate I was waaaay off or maybe I red kilos or something stupid......anyhow hers how it played out.

My best guess is about 45-50# per quarter based on :

I had #31 meat in the front shoulders and #15 of bones along with some trim. This number is a light representation as it didn't pull the whole quarter and the carcass weight will reflect that.

I had #30 in the hind meat
#43 in carcass meat
#24 in total bones other than carcass
#27 carcass weight after trimming.
#6 fat

So I have #105 clean meat.  #75 hide & head #161 meat and bones combined after hanging....so it was #236 gutted and dry. Guessing #40-50 on the blood/guts, so #276-286 live is might damn close.

Thank God,  when I weighed the carcass earlier I felt like a *censored* for not being able to toss it @ #100....lol. that extra #75 made a difference.

Sounds about right. About 35-40% of the live weight would be cut and wrapped meat. That is about what my last bear was.

Which would mean that if you get 30 pounds of meat off of your bear, the bear would weight about 85 pounds live weight. Or as converted to Internet forum talk... a 300 pound bear.  :chuckle:

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Re: Bear Weight--Need Your Help
« Reply #108 on: May 18, 2017, 07:48:48 PM »
Correct, just weighing the legs. What one would normally cut off the carcass in order to bring out the meat on the bone.

Sounds a little more plausible. When I read quarters I was thinking they were weighing all the meat minus the spine and rib bones.

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Re: Bear Weight--Need Your Help
« Reply #109 on: May 18, 2017, 07:54:40 PM »
Awesome information high country. Thanks for sharing.  :tup:
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Re: Bear Weight--Need Your Help
« Reply #110 on: May 18, 2017, 10:23:50 PM »
Ok I managed to get cut up today.  I wasn't able to weigh each quarter,  but I did my best to get the weights broke down. Additionally my scale must have been hung up when I tried to relax the hoist in the shop because when I weighed it on my refrigeration scale which is pretty accurate I was waaaay off or maybe I red kilos or something stupid......anyhow hers how it played out.

My best guess is about 45-50# per quarter based on :

I had #31 meat in the front shoulders and #15 of bones along with some trim. This number is a light representation as it didn't pull the whole quarter and the carcass weight will reflect that.

I had #30 in the hind meat
#43 in carcass meat
#24 in total bones other than carcass
#27 carcass weight after trimming.
#6 fat

So I have #105 clean meat.  #75 hide & head #161 meat and bones combined after hanging....so it was #236 gutted and dry. Guessing #40-50 on the blood/guts, so #276-286 live is might damn close.

Thank God,  when I weighed the carcass earlier I felt like a *censored* for not being able to toss it @ #100....lol. that extra #75 made a difference.

So 61+24 bones plus quarters*3.25=276.5.



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Re: Bear Weight--Need Your Help
« Reply #111 on: May 18, 2017, 11:05:41 PM »
Let's have some more numbers to see if it rings true as they fatten up.

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Re: Bear Weight--Need Your Help
« Reply #112 on: May 19, 2017, 12:04:02 AM »
Nice bear Greg but there's no way the quarters were 40-50lbs.....
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Re: Bear Weight--Need Your Help
« Reply #113 on: May 19, 2017, 07:13:25 AM »
Nice bear Greg but there's no way the quarters were 40-50lbs.....


Like I said, it's just my best guess as I didn't quarter it traditionally. I peeled all the crust and went to grabbing meat. I kept my meat and bones/scrap in a bucket for a while but soon I had 6 buckets floating around my kitchen and was running out of time.

The quarter weight is a guess, the other weights are as measured.

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Re: Bear Weight--Need Your Help
« Reply #114 on: May 19, 2017, 09:17:18 PM »
Using the first chart: My Bear was 5' 2" and had a 38' girth putting it around 178 lbs. Very plausible. This other chart means my bear would be almost 200 pounds which I believe is not true.

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Re: Bear Weight--Need Your Help
« Reply #115 on: May 20, 2017, 09:25:27 AM »
Using the first chart: My Bear was 5' 2" and had a 38' girth putting it around 178 lbs. Very plausible. This other chart means my bear would be almost 200 pounds which I believe is not true.

Did you ever get anything on a scale?

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Re: Bear Weight--Need Your Help
« Reply #116 on: May 20, 2017, 01:51:08 PM »
Sadly, no. So I know you can't really double check the accuracy. I just thought I'd chime in with my experience with the chart.

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Re: Bear Weight--Need Your Help
« Reply #117 on: May 22, 2017, 05:40:28 AM »
An update on Jeff's Bear. Skull rough taped out at 18 5/8.

I'm definitely surprised it wasn't over 19.

My bear from 13 was 17 3/4 ish off the top of my head, and this guy seemed way bigger.


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