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Re: My Elk Season Fitness, is it enough?
« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2017, 09:40:20 AM »
i would add running. up and down hills, dirt and pavement. it punishes the feet and joints, but in a way that i deem necessary to get them hard to the rigors of elk mountains. i would expect anyone in my group to be under 45min/5mi before season

I guess that means I need to go do a mileage check this week...😂😂😂


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Re: My Elk Season Fitness, is it enough?
« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2017, 12:41:30 PM »
If you are looking for something to change up your home workout routine I would advocate for T25. I have always been in decent enough shape for hunting, but a couple of years ago I wanted to get into some places that in previous years were "to far". I had been working out 4 days a week for years, but just maintaining until I tried T25. It was humbling at first but it absolutely got me in the best hunting shape of my life. I know that carrying a pack with weight and running uphill will also get results, but i can't do those in my living room when i have a spare 30min.

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Re: My Elk Season Fitness, is it enough?
« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2017, 01:11:37 PM »
Keep in mind why your getting in shape.....its not to pack x amount of weight or run x amount of miles....

My only requirement is you can keep your head in the game and have fun...that takes more physical training for some then others

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Re: My Elk Season Fitness, is it enough?
« Reply #28 on: June 20, 2017, 01:26:26 PM »
Keep in mind why your getting in shape.....its not to pack x amount of weight or run x amount of miles....

My only requirement is you can keep your head in the game and have fun...that takes more physical training for some then others

Ehhh.

Things like FTF said above are more like baselines we've come up with for ourselves for the kind of hunts we do.

And trying to find those baselines for your hunt allows you to "keep your head in the game."

So, in a way...it absolutely is about how much weight you can pack over distance, and how many miles you can run. Because those are the types of training that allow you to be in shape to hunt elk.


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Re: My Elk Season Fitness, is it enough?
« Reply #29 on: June 20, 2017, 01:30:45 PM »
Keep in mind why your getting in shape.....its not to pack x amount of weight or run x amount of miles....

My only requirement is you can keep your head in the game and have fun...that takes more physical training for some then others

Ehhh.

Things like FTF said above are more like baselines we've come up with for ourselves for the kind of hunts we do.

And trying to find those baselines for your hunt allows you to "keep your head in the game."

So, in a way...it absolutely is about how much weight you can pack over distance, and how many miles you can run. Because those are the types of training that allow you to be in shape to hunt elk.


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Re: My Elk Season Fitness, is it enough?
« Reply #30 on: June 20, 2017, 01:38:21 PM »
Keep in mind why your getting in shape.....its not to pack x amount of weight or run x amount of miles....

My only requirement is you can keep your head in the game and have fun...that takes more physical training for some then others

Ehhh.

Things like FTF said above are more like baselines we've come up with for ourselves for the kind of hunts we do.

And trying to find those baselines for your hunt allows you to "keep your head in the game."

So, in a way...it absolutely is about how much weight you can pack over distance, and how many miles you can run. Because those are the types of training that allow you to be in shape to hunt elk.


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Re: My Elk Season Fitness, is it enough?
« Reply #31 on: June 20, 2017, 02:05:43 PM »
Keep in mind why your getting in shape.....its not to pack x amount of weight or run x amount of miles....

My only requirement is you can keep your head in the game and have fun...that takes more physical training for some then others

 :yeah:   I think your on the right track Cab. You know the type of hunt and terrain better than the rest of us. There has been some great advice given in this thread already. My mindset is I can never be in too good of shape, and FOR ME keeping a training regimen throughout the year is a integral part of my feeling of being "lethal" in the elk woods. But I know plenty of stud elk hunters that never touch a weight or run a mile.

Right now if I am hiking its with weight. I am also anticipating more bicycle seat time than I have done in several years, so I have added alot of rides with hill climbs or a loaded trailer. Running bores me quickly, but I like to mix in some runs anyway. Keep all the other stuff fresh. I typically only do a really long duration of anything once a week. The rest of the time I usually get warm and then hit high intensity and hold it there for as long as I can. For me I get more out of a 45 minute blow out in long term gains, than a 4 hour hike where I never feel challenged.

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Re: My Elk Season Fitness, is it enough?
« Reply #32 on: June 20, 2017, 02:14:13 PM »
The big thing for me is to not under estimate the size of an elk. I know how much it can be a chore to get a whitetail out of the woods, now I'm looking at killing an animal that everything weight 3 times more. I never want to put myself in a situation that I feel like I can't physically can't get that animal out of the woods properly. I know all to well how day dreaming compared to reality can be a slap in the face. I've watched a number of guys shoot moose back home and you can just see their face go from excitement to concern when they walk up to that animal and have to think about getting that meat out. I just want to know my limits so that in the end I can have fun by focusing on the hunt and not worrying as much about whats going to happen after I let my arrow fly if I get the chance.

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Re: My Elk Season Fitness, is it enough?
« Reply #33 on: June 20, 2017, 02:22:38 PM »
Cab, how old are you?

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Re: My Elk Season Fitness, is it enough?
« Reply #34 on: June 20, 2017, 02:25:45 PM »
Cab, how old are you?

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Re: My Elk Season Fitness, is it enough?
« Reply #35 on: June 20, 2017, 04:57:41 PM »
Personally I have had to pack a couple elk out by myself a couple times and a couple mule deer. Elk the farthest was probably 2 miles the deer twice that. Learn how to de bone them. It's tough it worth it. Wear a heavy pack up hills for training. Heavier that's you would in the hills. You won't regret it. It might be hot to that doesn't help. Good luck have fun

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Re: My Elk Season Fitness, is it enough?
« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2017, 05:25:17 PM »
I agree with put your pack together, and go as if hunting.  Take some blunts and stump shoot.  Simulated hunting is the best prep for real hunting.  I'd also recommend developing an interest in fishing high lakes, a great way to motivate yourself to hike in to some mountain locations. 
As long as we have the habitat, we can argue forever about who gets to kill what and when.  No habitat = no game.

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Re: My Elk Season Fitness, is it enough?
« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2017, 10:44:00 PM »
For me, I never train with more than 50#, most work is in the 30-50# range.  I have found that if I can ruck 12 miles in 3.5 hours with 40-50, it is no trouble to jump up to as much as double that for a hunting trip.  My theory is that injury is part of training - it will happen.  That said, the more weight you ruck with, the greater the probability for injury and the severity and I think there is a point where the odds really stack up.

If I walk with no weight, the odds of injury are very close to 0%.  If I ruck uneven ground with 100#, the odds are certainly much higher.  I can't catch myself if I get off balance, so I'll twist or go down much more often.  Additionally, if I twist my ankle with light weight it usually is no big deal, no injury.  If I do it with 100#, it usually is at least a mild injury, often a significant injury.

So, for me, I haven't found much benefit to going over 50# while the risk goes up.  I will do a few scouting or hiking trips with more weight just due to the gear I am carrying, but it will be a few times a year vs several times a week in training.

That's what works for me, at my age with my experience.
I have to agree with Stein here.  Some of you guys are still pretty young, and running around with 100lb packs is no big deal.  When you start getting some miles on your body you well find that doing that for anything other than quarters just isn't worth the risk.  Now I know some if you may think that is a copout, but I can assure you that it isn't.  With proper training I really don't see it as a necessity.  I don't train with much more than fifty lbs in my pack, and I can hold my own with most anyone when it comes to getting my ass up a mountain under load.

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Re: My Elk Season Fitness, is it enough?
« Reply #38 on: June 21, 2017, 08:30:52 AM »
The big thing for me is to not under estimate the size of an elk. I know how much it can be a chore to get a whitetail out of the woods, now I'm looking at killing an animal that everything weight 3 times more. I never want to put myself in a situation that I feel like I can't physically can't get that animal out of the woods properly. I know all to well how day dreaming compared to reality can be a slap in the face. I've watched a number of guys shoot moose back home and you can just see their face go from excitement to concern when they walk up to that animal and have to think about getting that meat out. I just want to know my limits so that in the end I can have fun by focusing on the hunt and not worrying as much about whats going to happen after I let my arrow fly if I get the chance.

You are on the right track! :tup: keep doing what your doing and just remember a load at a time.

 Also maybe not related directly to fitness, but I have started using trekking poles on all my pack out, and they are a huge benefit imo. I would highly recommend  stuffing some in your pack if you havent already.

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Re: My Elk Season Fitness, is it enough?
« Reply #39 on: June 21, 2017, 08:47:17 AM »
The big thing for me is to not under estimate the size of an elk. I know how much it can be a chore to get a whitetail out of the woods, now I'm looking at killing an animal that everything weight 3 times more. I never want to put myself in a situation that I feel like I can't physically can't get that animal out of the woods properly. I know all to well how day dreaming compared to reality can be a slap in the face. I've watched a number of guys shoot moose back home and you can just see their face go from excitement to concern when they walk up to that animal and have to think about getting that meat out. I just want to know my limits so that in the end I can have fun by focusing on the hunt and not worrying as much about whats going to happen after I let my arrow fly if I get the chance.

You are a smart guy, I remember walking up to my first (and only) bull and wondering why the elk turned into a horse.  That said, it comes apart the exact same way and I had really no problem taking it apart myself.  Yes, the quarters are larger and heavier, but it is entirely doable.  You just have more trips to the truck, 5ish instead of 2ish for a deer on your back.

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Re: My Elk Season Fitness, is it enough?
« Reply #40 on: June 21, 2017, 09:02:10 AM »
Great advice in this thread for anyone wanting to get into hunting shape.

To simulate carrying your bow just take a 7 pound dumbbell with you, you won't get as many funny looks as you do with the bow.

Definitely hike with the pack and boots that you will be wearing and have at least 40-50 pounds in the pack.

Trekking poles are great.

Also the comment about hiking at the same elevation you are going to hunt at is a great idea as well.

Sounds like you are on track, good luck out there this year.
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Re: My Elk Season Fitness, is it enough?
« Reply #41 on: June 21, 2017, 09:15:43 AM »
You are a smart guy, I remember walking up to my first (and only) bull and wondering why the elk turned into a horse.  That said, it comes apart the exact same way and I had really no problem taking it apart myself.  Yes, the quarters are larger and heavier, but it is entirely doable.  You just have more trips to the truck, 5ish instead of 2ish for a deer on your back.
im not trying to get into pissing match, merely trying to show a difference in the training, based on the hunts. the reason some people might be training with 100lbs, is because 5 trips for 1 bull in not feasible. the last bull i packed out, 5 trips would have been over 80 miles. 40 of those under load.

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Re: My Elk Season Fitness, is it enough?
« Reply #42 on: June 21, 2017, 09:53:27 AM »
My philosophy, practice/ train as if it were game time. Do you feel like what you're doing is enough? Do you feel like you have anything left in the tank after training? Are you seriously tracking forward progress? In my experience things are always harder then projected, prepare for the worst and you should do fine. Get your heart rate up and practice shooting with an elevated heart rate. Congrats on dropping some lb's, keep up the good work.


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Re: My Elk Season Fitness, is it enough?
« Reply #43 on: June 21, 2017, 10:02:00 AM »
At 31 years old, do what you're doing by getting your weight down & a moderate full body work out program,. You don't need to do anything superman style for your age, you have youth in your corner. At 50 years old & older you would require a different program & mindset. Do not over think it, you will do fine with a moderate workout & weight control!

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Re: My Elk Season Fitness, is it enough?
« Reply #44 on: June 21, 2017, 10:13:03 AM »
You are a smart guy, I remember walking up to my first (and only) bull and wondering why the elk turned into a horse.  That said, it comes apart the exact same way and I had really no problem taking it apart myself.  Yes, the quarters are larger and heavier, but it is entirely doable.  You just have more trips to the truck, 5ish instead of 2ish for a deer on your back.
im not trying to get into pissing match, merely trying to show a difference in the training, based on the hunts. the reason some people might be training with 100lbs, is because 5 trips for 1 bull in not feasible. the last bull i packed out, 5 trips would have been over 80 miles. 40 of those under load.

Walking 80 miles with 40 under load seems more feasible then walking 8 miles with 300-380 pounds of meat,gear,and horns on my back

Hope I'm not coming off as sarcastic, I know you guys train hard to get back in there but what's your plan when a big bull hits the ground ? Some of my bigger bulls have had around 300 pounds of meat on em and another 20-50 of horns depending on if I wanted to keep the skull on.....then add in your general gear...lets not even think about a cape ! So 400 pounds to be packed out.....how do you do it ? Even @ 100 pound loads that's 4 trips under weight...so 8 miles in your looking at 32 miles under a 100 pound load

Even with a couple guys we've always made multiple trips doing a leap frog technique as the terrain isn't conducive super heavy loads, usually once to a trail or road it's horses or mtn bikes

Again hope this doesn't come off as sarcastic, just curious at another perspective

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Re: My Elk Season Fitness, is it enough?
« Reply #45 on: June 21, 2017, 10:26:21 AM »
You are a smart guy, I remember walking up to my first (and only) bull and wondering why the elk turned into a horse.  That said, it comes apart the exact same way and I had really no problem taking it apart myself.  Yes, the quarters are larger and heavier, but it is entirely doable.  You just have more trips to the truck, 5ish instead of 2ish for a deer on your back.
im not trying to get into pissing match, merely trying to show a difference in the training, based on the hunts. the reason some people might be training with 100lbs, is because 5 trips for 1 bull in not feasible. the last bull i packed out, 5 trips would have been over 80 miles. 40 of those under load.

Walking 80 miles with 40 under load seems more feasible then walking 8 miles with 300-380 pounds of meat,gear,and horns on my back

Hope I'm not coming off as sarcastic, I know you guys train hard to get back in there but what's your plan when a big bull hits the ground ? Some of my bigger bulls have had around 300 pounds of meat on em and another 20-50 of horns depending on if I wanted to keep the skull on.....then add in your general gear...lets not even think about a cape ! So 400 pounds to be packed out.....how do you do it ? Even @ 100 pound loads that's 4 trips under weight...so 8 miles in your looking at 32 miles under a 100 pound load

Even with a couple guys we've always made multiple trips doing a leap frog technique as the terrain isn't conducive super heavy loads, usually once to a trail or road it's horses or mtn bikes

Again hope this doesn't come off as sarcastic, just curious at another perspective

I'm not going to say one thing or another on how much meat comes off a typical bull elk...but THIS elk FTF is talking about had 225 lbs of boned out meat. We did it in two trips. This was verified with a luggage scale at the TH.

And here's a realistic moment and a testament to why it's important to train with higher weights IMO. We trained with 100+ during the offseason, loaded up the first load to what we felt was close to 80-85 and they ended up being like 60...

And we were smoked.

Train how you feel comfortable, but IMO push your body to its limit.

My favorite quote that I found this year really speaks volumes on this topic, and it's been a driving point for me this year.

"If Misery doesn't find you in the preparation, it will find you on the Mountain."

Good luck, train hard, and slay em.




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Re: My Elk Season Fitness, is it enough?
« Reply #46 on: June 21, 2017, 03:54:55 PM »
That sounds about rite for a couple guys and that much meat....60 pounds is a good weight in the mtns  :tup: 

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Re: My Elk Season Fitness, is it enough?
« Reply #47 on: June 21, 2017, 04:42:34 PM »
One thing to keep in mind is that the human body has an amazing ability to adapt itself. Keeping this in mind, make sure you have a variety in your fitness plan. More built for power? focus on endurance first. Change up your workouts where you are running some days but hiking others. change up the weight and surface. Adjust variables constantly to get more out of your workout sessions.

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Re: My Elk Season Fitness, is it enough?
« Reply #48 on: June 21, 2017, 06:30:31 PM »
Congratulations on losing all that weight! Rome wasn't built in a day and neither will your elk body.

Mental toughness is definitely something that is trained. The only problem is that it is trained during season.

As far as physical, you seem to be at a point in your training where you shouldn't be doing any hikes without weight. Start light if you must but work towards 80 pounds or more.

I'd also recommend weening off the treadmill and start going on runs. Push yourself further and further.

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I sure wouldn't train with 80#'s unless you're just walking smooth easy stuff.  No reason to risk injury before season ever comes.   Just put 25#'s of hunting gear in, and do lots of off trail hiking in steep country.  Training is about building your self confidence so you have that mental strength that you can do it.
:yike:  Train as you hunt!  Silk's advice is what I would follow.  You WILL be faced with a 100lb ruck at some point (or a LOT more loads).  Training with 60-80lbs is totally normal.  Just don't do it on hardtop pavement - That WILL kill your joints.

25 lbs is what he was walking around with for body weight 6 months ago.

50 lb bag of sand is really not that hard after a time or two.

As far as injury goes, not sure how humping 80 lbs of sand on a trail is going to be a cause for injury concern anymore them playing basketball or jogging in a busy area would be.

Once you get accustomed to that I would increase weight further. Of course, a solid pack frame/bag helps in these endeavors. I wouldn't be doing it with a Jansport! 😂

But I can't support the idea of NOT training with heavy weight...doesn't compute with me...


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Not training with weight is what will lead to injuries - not the other way around.
Believe what you want, but I'm not going off trail with 80#'s until I have to.  I'm going to get in better shape bushwhacking with 25#'s than trail hiking with 80#'s.  May be different somewhere less thick and nasty, but climbing over deadfall with 80#'s is asking for injury.

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Re: My Elk Season Fitness, is it enough?
« Reply #49 on: June 21, 2017, 07:12:26 PM »
The only thing I have to add is my elk hunting usually involves off trail hiking. Walking your own route through the woods is alot different than a logging road or a trail especially with a pack so I would venture out under load at least a couple of times before season.

This is a good reminder for me too. I think Ive finally reached the point I need to get "back" in shape as well.

 

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