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Poll: What is your ideal shot placement on broadside deer at 100 yards assuming w/300 win mag?

Heart/lungs
Double shoulder hit
Spine
Neck
Head

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Offline kselkhunter

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Shot Placement Poll
« on: July 06, 2017, 09:23:54 PM »
Hi all, being the middle of summer and killing time during the week I thought I'd put up a poll to collect numbers on a topic I've always wondered about.  Mule Deer, assume large 200lbs buck.  Broadside at 100 yards.  Assume you have the scope to zoom in close, say a Swarovski Z5 5-25x52 (as I have one and know you can zoom quite well at that range).  Assume a high BC bullet from a 300 win mag (168g, 190g, etc.) so plenty flat trajectory and energy.  And assume accurate rifle, 1 MOA or less at 100yds.  And no perceptible wind. 

Which placement have you done the most, or would you do as ideal real world shot? 

I was always taught just a heart/lung placement and have only ever taken that shot.  But am curious what actual shots have been. I've read a bit lately about double shoulder shots being used more often, and curious how many do.  And curious how many have done spine, neck, or head shots.  All are ethical shots with a good practiced shooter, so no judgements or arguing one is better than the other.  Just data gathering.

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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2017, 09:31:51 PM »
Long range shoulder hits are the answer - less risk of pencil hits especially with Berger.

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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2017, 09:37:43 PM »
Thanks.  That's some of the information I'm interested in.  Do you normally go high shoulder closer to spine, or lower closer to heart/lung area on those longer shots?

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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2017, 09:52:07 PM »
Broadside at 100 yards is not a long shot.  Shoot for the lung/heart, right in the "V".  Shoulder shot will certainly put it down but why waste the meat??
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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2017, 09:57:55 PM »
Thanks for the response.  Yeah I know 100 isn't long.  I chose to limit to 100 yards with the poll (thought about listing 300 or 400 instead) but was curious about the typical shot used.  Would have liked a matrix poll option so I could vary both distance and placement, but couldn't figure that out.   


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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2017, 09:58:43 PM »
Broadside at 100 yards is not a long shot.  Shoot for the lung/heart, right in the "V".  Shoulder shot will certainly put it down but why waste the meat??

My thoughts, exactly.
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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2017, 10:41:39 PM »
I always aim for the shoulders. Not sure why, I don't consciously think about it, I just always end up there.
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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2017, 11:33:32 PM »
Broadside at 100 yards is not a long shot.  Shoot for the lung/heart, right in the "V".  Shoulder shot will certainly put it down but why waste the meat??
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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2017, 11:58:22 PM »
Broadside at 100 yards is not a long shot.  Shoot for the lung/heart, right in the "V".  Shoulder shot will certainly put it down but why waste the meat??

My thoughts, exactly.

 +1, if you can get within 100 yards, I'd question the need for a 300wm as well. :dunno:

 I get it if that's what you have but if you have other options and can get within that distance, you might consider it, but I'd still go heart/lungs. ;)
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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2017, 12:47:10 AM »
Lungs are the sweet spot .But in the end I guess it depends on the ability of the shooter.It may depend on terrain also,if your in the nasty brush ,6ft talk ferns, and you think your gonna have a hard time finding it ,neck,head,spine might be better .kinda depends on the situation.

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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2017, 06:12:31 AM »
... It may depend on terrain also,if your in the nasty brush ,6ft talk ferns, and you think your gonna have a hard time finding it ,neck,head,spine might be better .kinda depends on the situation.
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With a hearth/lung shot you can expect the deer to run somewhere between zero and 100 yards.  Would that be a problem?


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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2017, 06:26:00 AM »
I cannot imagine taking a shoulder out and wasting that meat.  There is already so little meat on a deer to start with.  Same with neck why waste neck meat.  And spine oh my!  Wasting backstrap! 

For those in the know it is lungs/heart at all the distances, if you can't place the bullet where you want it you're to far for your capabilities.
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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2017, 06:46:30 AM »
I voted for the double shoulder except I will explain it a little better, if an animal is quartering away it gets the the 4 ribs back and through the boiler room and into the far shoulder !! Any other time it's a high shoulder shot because it takes the spine with it, it's quick and painless and it anchors them to the ground, but it is not the right shot for someone who is not able to control their emotions !! There is a lot that can go wrong with it but it can also be the best shot if done correctly !!
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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2017, 06:57:44 AM »
Thanks.  That's some of the information I'm interested in.  Do you normally go high shoulder closer to spine, or lower closer to heart/lung area on those longer shots?

Long shots I want center of mass on the shoulder which is high as that allows a 15" dia kill zone for wind and such and I would rather miss high than have a lower leg hit. ( long meaning 400+.  )   

If its just a meat hunt yea behind the shoulder up to 400 yards. 


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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2017, 08:40:12 AM »
I always try to double lung, right behind the shoulder, but I can't remember the last time I had a deer stand perfectly broadside for me. Last year I got 2 "quartering to" shots. One I slipped in behind the shoulder, the other I shot through the brisket. A 45 degree quartering to shot is probably my favorite shot with a rifle. Put it on the near side of the brisket and out the far side behind the shoulder.You get the heart/lung plus the explosive shock. Never had a deer go more than a few feet from that shot.
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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2017, 09:24:42 AM »
Double lung every time at every range.


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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2017, 09:28:40 AM »
What I've seen with the .300 Mag is you'll get a lot of bloodshot meat with a 100 yard shot.

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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2017, 09:38:15 AM »
Heart/lung although I am disapointmented when I dont get any vension heart to eat.

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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2017, 10:14:31 AM »
Heart/lung for me. Personally I'd completely rule out double shoulder with that round at that range. There's very few powder and bullet combos I can thinks of that wouldn't turn both front quarters in to anything but a blood shot mess. Depending on the load I'd possibly resort to a head shot to avoid meat damage.

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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2017, 10:52:45 AM »
.300 Winchester Mag on deer? Talk about overkill. Just kidding, just kidding, to each his own. I vote lungs or upper heart area every time. I agree with comments on losing meat shooting anywhere else.

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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2017, 11:49:05 AM »
So at 100 votes, it's 88% heart/lung and 7% double shoulder with the rest sprinkled over the other 3 categories.

In retrospect, I should have left caliber off (don't even own a 300WM).  Mainly wanted to lock that variable down to avoid caliber discussions.  Also, I imagine if I posted this on the bear thread or a longer range elk shot with larger caliber....I'd get a higher percentage of shoulder shot votes....but didn't want to skew things. 

Thanks for the responses thus far. 


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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2017, 11:58:47 AM »
I shoot deer for the meat.  I would never purposely shoot for a double shoulder shot.  First choice would be lungs.
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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2017, 12:10:45 PM »
I didn't vote but will comment.  Under the right conditions I really like a brain shot, especially in dense cover or when it is snowing or raining, knowing exactly where it will drop can be a huge bonus.  I've had enough heart/lung shot deer, pronghorn and elk run out of sight without leaving good blood that I really appreciate DRT.  Beyond 200, moving animals, high winds, alert animal/need for a fast shot, heart/lung every time.  I'm not a very experienced bear killer, but my intent has been to break one or both shoulders, preferably through the heart or lungs too.  However, last bear I shot was just over 100 yards, broadside and saw me at the same time I saw it - I expected it to run any second, so dropped to a knee and instinct put it behind the shoulders through the heart/lung area.  Bear whirled and ran back the way it came into extremely dense NE WA reprod; I had hair, blood, bone and muscle on the off side, high confidence in a dead bear, and lost it.  I know I killed it because another hunter found her three days later by the scavenger activity.  It replays over and over in my mind, and I sure wish I had busted her shoulders and spine.
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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2017, 01:33:41 PM »
heart/lung area for me and I angle the shot so it doesn't catch the off shoulder.

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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2017, 02:47:59 PM »
So at 100 votes, it's 88% heart/lung and 7% double shoulder with the rest sprinkled over the other 3 categories.

In retrospect, I should have left caliber off (don't even own a 300WM).  Mainly wanted to lock that variable down to avoid caliber discussions.  Also, I imagine if I posted this on the bear thread or a longer range elk shot with larger caliber....I'd get a higher percentage of shoulder shot votes....but didn't want to skew things. 

Thanks for the responses thus far.
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