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Poll: What is your ideal shot placement on broadside deer at 100 yards assuming w/300 win mag?

Heart/lungs
Double shoulder hit
Spine
Neck
Head

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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2017, 08:01:20 PM »
My vote is heart lungs at pretty much any range as I think it's the safest clean ethical kill. If you can eat hole one that's obviously quick and clean but it's a very small target and doesn't leave much margin for error. I've shot deer in the neck and had them fold like a taco but I've also been with guys who have neck shot deer that we ended up having to track a long ways. I've also seen several deer that have been spinal tapped which drop in their tracks but almost always require a follow up kill shot as simply severing the spine isn't lethal at least not very quickly.

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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2017, 06:31:21 AM »
heart/lung area for me and I angle the shot so it doesn't catch the off shoulder.

How do you angle your shot, a little left to right English perhaps?
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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2017, 01:38:18 PM »
Heart/lungs; although I have shot a few deer in the neck with great results.
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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2017, 08:54:32 PM »
Well thanks for all the votes the past few days folks.  I was curious what the stats would look like.

I've had many shots on deer at close range in my life.  My 7mmRM is what I carry these days, and it's been overkill on the short shots but I like the longer range abilities it brings..  I've had some shots the past few years where I've debated on a head or neck or spine above front shoulder shot at <50 yards to save the explosive lungs/organs shots I normally do.  But never have convinced myself to stray from the heart/lung shot mantra that my dad beat into my brain 4 decades ago.  I'm good at gutless deboning now at least.  And switched off the fragmenting bullets (ie Berger VLD) to Accubonds....but even those 168g at 3000fps muzzle velocity can create a mess into the vitals at 50 yards.   

One of these years I may consider an alternate shot location on a close range shot.  But thanks for the votes.  Gives me a better picture of what folks use. 

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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2017, 09:10:22 PM »
Everytime I have ever thought of aiming for one of the smaller target zones I think about how stupid and crappy I would feel if I wounded a deer and never recovered an animal because I was trying to get fancy.

I do hate hitting the heart though. That's my favorite part to eat but it's better than eating store bought beef

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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2017, 10:53:18 PM »
.300 Winchester Mag on deer? Talk about overkill. Just kidding, just kidding, to each his own. I vote lungs or upper heart area every time. I agree with comments on losing meat shooting anywhere else.

I've seen people stuff a 300 win mag into a hog at 50 yards. Not like they cared about the hog meat, it was just population control.  But still...
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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2017, 10:59:55 PM »
Long range shoulder hits are the answer - less risk of pencil hits especially with Berger.

When shooting at long range a bullet that does not expand and pencils through is most definitely a consideration 

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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2017, 11:19:36 PM »
.300 Winchester Mag on deer? Talk about overkill. Just kidding, just kidding, to each his own. I vote lungs or upper heart area every time. I agree with comments on losing meat shooting anywhere else.

I shoot a 300 Wby, or 348 if I am hunting really close brush where I have little chance of taking a longer shot than 200 yards.  Practically the same trajectory, out to their respective range, as my 17 Rem, 22-250 & 243 that I shoot a LOT of varmints with.  200 grain Nosler Partitions are my bullet for everything and I like to shoot for a double lung or better yet through the chest into the off shoulder.

However most of my blacktail hunting is done with a Deerslayer II and Lightfield Hybrid Elite slugs.  Same shot placement.   

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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #33 on: July 16, 2017, 12:21:24 AM »
Well thanks for all the votes the past few days folks.  I was curious what the stats would look like.

I've had many shots on deer at close range in my life.  My 7mmRM is what I carry these days, and it's been overkill on the short shots but I like the longer range abilities it brings..  I've had some shots the past few years where I've debated on a head or neck or spine above front shoulder shot at <50 yards to save the explosive lungs/organs shots I normally do.  But never have convinced myself to stray from the heart/lung shot mantra that my dad beat into my brain 4 decades ago.  I'm good at gutless deboning now at least.  And switched off the fragmenting bullets (ie Berger VLD) to Accubonds....but even those 168g at 3000fps muzzle velocity can create a mess into the vitals at 50 yards.   

One of these years I may consider an alternate shot location on a close range shot.  But thanks for the votes.  Gives me a better picture of what folks use.
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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #34 on: July 16, 2017, 07:01:26 AM »
I've seen head and neck shots go very wrong.  I saw a guy hit the jaw once. The deer got up and ran off never to be found.  I've also watched a neck shot deer run off. It was shot with a 300 win. We got it but it require a follow up lung shot.  Deer, or any other animal, don't go far when shot in the lungs.   :twocents:

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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #35 on: July 16, 2017, 07:07:09 AM »
My two cents.
I shoot a .338 with 225 grain Speers and a 7MM RM with 160 grain Speers.
I use both for deer and elk although lately it's primarily the .338 for both.
Hunting mostly timber, I take the shot I'm given, but try for the sure thing, heart/lung.
I generally don't wait for the situation to improve unless I'm confident that it will.
Neither bullet tears up much meat with the H/L.
Shoulder shots are a different story, they can be a bit messy.

With elk, I try to shoot a bit forward if possible.
They're to damn tough to chance anything.
Deer go down pretty easy with the H/L.

Thanks for asking.

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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #36 on: August 11, 2017, 01:30:47 PM »
First of all. Hi, I don't live in  Washington yet , however that is my retirement plan. Also my first post here. I though I would join and start learning!
I don't hunt Mule deer either! Whitetal is all we have in Northeastern Oklahoma. I use a .243 win, 6.5 Creedmoor, .35 remington and sometimes .38-55 win. or handgun I .357 mag or 7/30 waters.
At 100 yards with a rifle I would take a heart shot. With .357 heart lugs with a proper bullet.
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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #37 on: August 11, 2017, 02:18:20 PM »
First of all. Hi, I don't live in  Washington yet , however that is my retirement plan. Also my first post here. I though I would join and start learning!
I don't hunt Mule deer either! Whitetal is all we have in Northeastern Oklahoma. I use a .243 win, 6.5 Creedmoor, .35 remington and sometimes .38-55 win. or handgun I .357 mag or 7/30 waters.
At 100 yards with a rifle I would take a heart shot. With .357 heart lugs with a proper bullet.
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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #38 on: August 12, 2017, 07:55:41 AM »
Well thanks for all the votes the past few days folks.  I was curious what the stats would look like.

I've had many shots on deer at close range in my life.  My 7mmRM is what I carry these days, and it's been overkill on the short shots but I like the longer range abilities it brings..  I've had some shots the past few years where I've debated on a head or neck or spine above front shoulder shot at <50 yards to save the explosive lungs/organs shots I normally do.  But never have convinced myself to stray from the heart/lung shot mantra that my dad beat into my brain 4 decades ago.  I'm good at gutless deboning now at least.  And switched off the fragmenting bullets (ie Berger VLD) to Accubonds....but even those 168g at 3000fps muzzle velocity can create a mess into the vitals at 50 yards.   

One of these years I may consider an alternate shot location on a close range shot.  But thanks for the votes.  Gives me a better picture of what folks use.

People shooting fragmenting bullets is all the rage these days and the reason that if I were giving advice to people taking game meat home that has been donated by hunters that don't eat game meat themselves, I would pass on it unless I were sure that it had not been shot with such a bullet.

I have seen photos of x-rays of carcasses that have been hit with those bullets and they have lead all through the meat.  There is a huge difference between animals hit with a fragmenting bullet and one that stays fairly intact.

This was "brought to my attention" by a friend who is an OK guy, other than that he takes it as his mission to engage in one-way enlightenment of the benighted.

He hectored me relentlessly for over a decade about shooting Berger bullets "that blow up" and practically had fits when I said: no thanks.  And now since he has become a fanatical anti-lead crusader he is fit to be tied that most of us don't share his concern that a few grains of lead are missing when we recover our Nosler Partitions. 

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Re: Shot Placement Poll
« Reply #39 on: August 12, 2017, 08:49:51 AM »
If donating meat I would use barnes or other copper.  For myself I trim judiciously but don't use berger - mainly because just don't like their lack of expansion. 

 

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