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Elk calling during muzzleloader hunts?
« on: July 12, 2017, 11:29:50 AM »
Im going to try the general muzzleloader season this year with a couple of friends and was wondering are the elk still talking or rutting generally in the southern part of the state.  I have archery hunted and has success calling or at least somewhat as Im still by far a novice.  Is it worth trying the calling in the second week of October or have any of you had success in past years.  Thanks for the input and good luck this year.
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Re: Elk calling during muzzleloader hunts?
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2017, 11:42:47 AM »
Here the PNW they are usually done bugling by then. the cow calls can still be a very good tool this time of yr tho. Good Luck!

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Re: Elk calling during muzzleloader hunts?
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2017, 11:56:28 AM »
Where I hunt muzzy in the east Cascades there are still bugles to be heard, though not at the fever pitch that you would find in archery season.  Squidward is spot on- the cow calls can be really effective.  One year, trying for one of those elusive spikes, I cow called (standard Hoochie) a very large 5x5 bull to four yards.  As I was seated behind a log, he was standing almost over me.  Very exhilarating. 

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Re: Elk calling during muzzleloader hunts?
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2017, 12:11:30 PM »
I tend to disagree.  On the East side of the state, I hear more bugling and have seen more rutting activity the first week of october, after archery season.  In Western Washington my experience is mid september they're on fire.

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Re: Elk calling during muzzleloader hunts?
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2017, 12:16:39 PM »
In my areas the last wk of sept.- first wk of oct is the best.
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Re: Elk calling during muzzleloader hunts?
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2017, 12:20:50 PM »
My favorite time of year for calling bulls  :tup:
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Re: Elk calling during muzzleloader hunts?
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2017, 12:22:09 PM »
I find it to vary each year during ML season on the eastside. Some years they are on fire, other years the woods are silent as can be and sometimes in between. I would expect this ML season being later than years past they will be on the quiet side.
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Re: Elk calling during muzzleloader hunts?
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2017, 12:23:14 PM »
I find it to vary each year during ML season on the eastside. Some years they are on fire, other years the woods are silent as can be and sometimes in between. I would expect this ML season being later than years past they will be on the quiet side.

They were fired up where I was hunting last year for sure, and totally agree they will likely be shut up by opener this season.

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Re: Elk calling during muzzleloader hunts?
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2017, 12:29:04 PM »
I've only hunted a couple muzzy seasons on the west side.  I don't think I've heard a bugle or received a response to a bugle.  I have found that bulls are still with the cows though.

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Re: Elk calling during muzzleloader hunts?
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2017, 12:39:51 PM »
Im going to try the general muzzleloader season this year with a couple of friends and was wondering are the elk still talking or rutting generally in the southern part of the state.  Is it worth trying the calling in the second week of October or have any of you had success in past years.  Thanks for the input and good luck this year.

Elk talk year round but are obviously more vocal during the time of the rut.  The rut is all about the cows being receptive (coming into their first, second, even third estrus cycle) until they "take".  Most of the cows hit their primary estrus cycle around the third week in SEP and most of them conceive around that time frame.  But those that do not, will to into a second even third estrus cycle that goes into the month of OCT.  Cow in estrus translates to rutting activity with the bulls, and, further translates into elk being vocal (locating, challenging, advertising, etc.).  So heck no, I would not leave my calls at home when hunting into the second even third week of OCT!  The elk are all herded up by the point you'll be hunting so blind/cold calling may not reap you much... instead, locate the small herds and work into them very close before you make a peep.  How to find them?  Either visually/glassing or listen for them (or locate bugle them) after nightfall.  Head there early the next morning and they'll be very close to where they were feeding at night before they hit the road to beddy bye.  If there is just one cow that's exhibiting signs of estrus in the group, the bull(s) will be prone to be vocal and quite snarky when you get in close and challenge them.  Nothing wrong with just a few quiet cow mews (just a few) given every two or three minutes either.... that will oftentimes bring one of the lovesick satellites into your lap.  Pose a "threat" (whiny cow cows over your shoulder and then a loud scream/challenge directly at the herd) and that may very well dislodge the herd bull and bring him your way post haste!  Good luck in your ML season mister!     
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Re: Elk calling during muzzleloader hunts?
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2017, 04:44:54 PM »
I've been hunting the east side muzzle-loader season for the last six years and here are a couple of my observations.
1. The closer the opener is to Oct. 1 the more vocal the bulls are.
2. After the first morning of the season, with a hundred (or more) guys blowing bugles, you'll be lucky to hear a single elk bugle in the daylight for the rest of the season.

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Re: Elk calling during muzzleloader hunts?
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2017, 06:25:12 PM »
Thank you very much for the responses.   I agree every year is different.  I'm hoping where we are hunting doesn't have a ton of opening  day pressure.  I'm not sure about the muzzleloader season. 
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Re: Elk calling during muzzleloader hunts?
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2017, 05:32:24 AM »
They will be talking

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Re: Elk calling during muzzleloader hunts?
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2017, 05:52:31 AM »

 Pressured elk are pressured elk whether in Sept or Oct. Doesn't matter the unit or state. If you hunt near the hoards of other hunters you will experience less elk communication! The opposite can be true for your time of the hunt! Hunt where others are not! Be prepared to Glass where possible & to call for location in non glassing areas. You are not necessarily trying to call elk to you, instead you are trying to find them, once you locate elk through calling shut down your calling & go over to them, now it's time to hunt them!

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Re: Elk calling during muzzleloader hunts?
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2017, 07:51:17 AM »
Thank you very much for the help.  I appreciate it.
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Re: Elk calling during muzzleloader hunts?
« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2017, 10:06:29 PM »
This could be a good time as some bigger bulls may be moving around searching out cows coming into a second cycle.

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Re: Elk calling during muzzleloader hunts?
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2017, 10:30:50 PM »
A  cow call that time of year is your best friend!
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Re: Elk calling during muzzleloader hunts?
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2017, 06:35:31 AM »
Call from a distance to locate and at very first light . let the bull dictate what you do . if they are vocal dont be shy . remember those bulls will drop into the bottoms of those steep draws after light in your unit . you have a hour or two to get after them from above . go quick when you get within a couple hundred yards use your cow call . he wont wanna come back up the ridge if he has cows so get  to him and close the gap . I find that looping around him and coming in parallel   can be very effective , when he gets close he may want to try and circle your wind so dont be afraid to make a move to keep the wind . good luck
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Re: Elk calling during muzzleloader hunts?
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Re: Elk calling during muzzleloader hunts?
« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2017, 09:14:48 AM »
I have a general question about Scouting.  I tied this question into this thread, due to the fact that I will be muzzle hunting this season and had initial interest in calling during early season.  So my question is, typically when do "you" (those who hunt westside) head out and being your scouting/trail cam placement.  Obviously it is beneficial to get out and get to know the country, terrain and what to expect come the opener.  I guess I am just curious if there is a time frame where going out and starting to find sign and set cams would be "too early"? If I was to begin driving and scouting for herds/sign in August, would that be too far out for October hunting, in that, they may change course/routine/patterns and maybe break up with Archery under way come Sept.

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Re: Elk calling during muzzleloader hunts?
« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2017, 10:00:28 AM »
I have never tried it but I have heard of guys using a bugle to locate big bulls even into the early parts of November. I am sure it doesn't have anything to do with rut activity but more of a communication thing? not sure, I've never tried it but I have heard of it. if your out looking for elk on the east side of the state you would be foolish not to have some sort of  call on you from sept 1 to nov 1. Good Luck

 Having said that, I would be care full on how much you're using it that time of year. I would use it as more of a compass or a locator than trying to get the elk to come to you
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Re: Elk calling during muzzleloader hunts?
« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2017, 11:33:00 AM »
We have heard chirps within herds throughout Rifle season.  Light communication as stated above, but nothing aggressive like rut.
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Re: Elk calling during muzzleloader hunts?
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2017, 12:12:09 PM »
I was never good with the diaphragm calls but I had some exciting times with the estrus calling. My first use of the then new Hyper-Hot Cow Call years ago resulted in bringing a bull in that tried to sniff me. If you have ever had a huge five-point bull nose to nose with you while you sit with him towering above you then you have not lived. When you figure out that this might end badly it, it is too late. Aside from being face to face with an Alaskan Brown less than two feet from me that rates right up there stupid things that I have done.

You might have some luck after most of the rutting has stopped by simulating a late cow-in-heat. The calls are still sold and there are plenty of knock-offs out there. Easy to use for us diaphragm  incompetents you can also use them for other cow talk. I have had good luck with them. Many times the only thing that you will only hear is them coming through the brush to your call. Be patient. Give it a try. You have nothing to lose.

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Re: Elk calling during muzzleloader hunts?
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2017, 07:13:05 AM »

The area I hunt in SW after more than a couple of years the number of bugles heard that aren't followed within about 15 mins by a door slam from a distant landing or voices are few and far between.   We bike in 6-10 miles a valley or two from people driving in so I don't think we are hunting overly educated elk.
   

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Re: Elk calling during muzzleloader hunts?
« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2017, 11:32:02 AM »
Im going to try the general muzzleloader season this year with a couple of friends and was wondering are the elk still talking or rutting generally in the southern part of the state.  I have archery hunted and has success calling or at least somewhat as Im still by far a novice.  Is it worth trying the calling in the second week of October or have any of you had success in past years.  Thanks for the input and good luck this year.
in my experience in gmu 346 early October is the most vocal. I would say 3 Xs more vocal then in September but thats.  as for the west side I'm planing on looking into that very question in the Fossil Creek area of GMU 506.  I'll let u know.

 

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