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Re: Pinks
« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2017, 08:48:20 AM »
Yeah the tribes Catch and Release them... after they strip their roe of coarse :rolleyes:
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Re: Pinks
« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2017, 10:06:49 AM »
Yeah the tribes Catch and Release them... after they strip their roe of coarse :rolleyes:

You got that right..
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Re: Pinks
« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2017, 10:54:54 AM »
If fished MA11 yesterday, and got into some cohos, so pinks should be here as well.  Another week, I guess and try your fav spots.

Those are the resident coho that don't migrate out of the sound. The ocean fish won't be here for another month or so.

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Re: Pinks
« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2017, 07:14:51 PM »
What I've seen nobody said is about the net boats running all the way across from Mukilteo to Whidbey during the humpy/silver season the last 2 seasons and the nets all across the Snohomish when they run up the river.  I'm not blaming anybody but this has got to stop.   We had 8 million humpies a couple years ago and now we have almost none.  Someone please explain this to me.

I agree that the netting is frustrating but you really aught to show some data before assuming the nets are to blame for the low fish numbers this year.  It isn't productive to assume such things given the tensions of Puget Sound fisheries these days.  The Pink run is most likely down this year due to some high water events that happened at a critical time in fish development.  This was explained by one of the state biologists.  Pick up the phone and talk to a biologist instead of assuming.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/feb2817b/



Not sure how you could "not assume" that "nets" are the no.1 threat to the salmon runs :dunno: The Chum run is a perfect example. I would trust personal observation any day over bio data these days :twocents:

Come on man, you didn't have proof of your first claim and now you've made another claim you can't possibly substantiate, that the biologists data are somehow suspect.  Not only is that disrespectful to the hardworking biologists in our state (who don't make policy, which seems to be your real gripe) and you've offered no proof.  What proof do you have of either claim?  Personal observation is not proof. 
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Re: Pinks
« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2017, 07:18:20 PM »
Funny how the biologists are spot on when it comes to fish, but are liars when it comes to cougars and woofs by many on this site.

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Re: Pinks
« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2017, 07:22:49 PM »
What I've seen nobody said is about the net boats running all the way across from Mukilteo to Whidbey during the humpy/silver season the last 2 seasons and the nets all across the Snohomish when they run up the river.  I'm not blaming anybody but this has got to stop.   We had 8 million humpies a couple years ago and now we have almost none.  Someone please explain this to me.

I agree that the netting is frustrating but you really aught to show some data before assuming the nets are to blame for the low fish numbers this year.  It isn't productive to assume such things given the tensions of Puget Sound fisheries these days.  The Pink run is most likely down this year due to some high water events that happened at a critical time in fish development.  This was explained by one of the state biologists.  Pick up the phone and talk to a biologist instead of assuming.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/feb2817b/

It's hard to show any data when the natives don't report data and when they throw thefish back after taking the roe. The natives might not be the sole reason for the depleted runs but one of the big factors for sure.
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Re: Pinks
« Reply #31 on: July 17, 2017, 06:04:32 AM »
 :yeah:  Exactly!  Some people find it more comfortable by refusing to see the disturbing obvious.

And steelheadted, if you really understood how political the salmon fisheries are, you would not need, expect or find any accurate data and proof.

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Re: Pinks
« Reply #32 on: July 17, 2017, 07:40:38 AM »
@WAcoueshunter

How do you know they are resident Coho??

I'm not looking to pick a fight - I genuinely want to know.   I fish the Sound a little, but am not knowledgeable about resident vs migratory Coho.   


Is it just timing or are there other ways to tell?

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Re: Pinks
« Reply #33 on: July 17, 2017, 08:08:03 AM »
Timing.

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Re: Pinks
« Reply #34 on: July 17, 2017, 05:24:34 PM »
 :yeah:  Timing, and size. You can catch coho year round in the sound, but the ocean fish are pretty noticeable when they show up in late August or so. Nothing wrong at all with resident coho. l've had a couple years when I got into them thick in June and July, sure is nice to have fresh fish that early without having to be in the ocean!  One year we got a couple in the six pound range in June from around Vashon, although those were exceptionally large.

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Re: Pinks
« Reply #35 on: July 17, 2017, 05:25:45 PM »
:yeah:  Exactly!  Some people find it more comfortable by refusing to see the disturbing obvious.

And steelheadted, if you really understood how political the salmon fisheries are, you would not need, expect or find any accurate data and proof.

Neat trick, you avoid having to provide proof by claiming it isn't needed.

I can agree that the process is hopelessly political and is hurting our fisheries and also say that you have no idea what data there is and whether or not it is useful and needed.
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Re: Pinks
« Reply #36 on: July 17, 2017, 05:37:25 PM »
@WAcoueshunter

How do you know they are resident Coho??

I'm not looking to pick a fight - I genuinely want to know.   I fish the Sound a little, but am not knowledgeable about resident vs migratory Coho.   


Is it just timing or are there other ways to tell?

Thanks,

Dan

I don't think anyone can say with any certainty whether or not a coho caught in mid July is a resident coho.  I know they have been catching them in Neah Bay, Seiku, Westport for a week or two.  That would lead me to believe the fish I caught was likely not a resident coho.  I fished the same areas for the last two and a half months and have not caught a coho until just the other day.

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Re: Pinks
« Reply #37 on: July 17, 2017, 05:49:26 PM »
Okay, believe what you want.  :tup:

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Re: Pinks
« Reply #38 on: July 17, 2017, 06:54:43 PM »
 friend caught coho off San Juan a week or so ago, we caught three keeper kings and no coho or pinks a week ago off San Juan and I got for shaker Kings off Cypress yesterday afternoon, but no pinks.

I think the pinks are still a week out from San Juan but have no data to base that on. 

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Re: Pinks
« Reply #39 on: July 17, 2017, 08:16:40 PM »
Personal observation is the best proof :twocents:

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Re: Pinks
« Reply #40 on: July 17, 2017, 10:05:06 PM »
I typically catch pinks in the river starting in late July and August. Cohos start in August through September.  That would reaffirm that the coho i caught was not a resident coho  :chuckle:

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Re: Pinks
« Reply #41 on: July 17, 2017, 10:06:27 PM »
Personal observation is the best proof :twocents:

But not for SealheadTed  :chuckle:
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Re: Pinks
« Reply #42 on: July 18, 2017, 07:58:06 AM »
I'm sure there are a few non-resident coho around. I'm also sure the odds of catching a resident coho are about 1,000 times better.

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Re: Pinks
« Reply #43 on: July 18, 2017, 08:14:08 AM »
Why are we having a pissing match over this?
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Re: Pinks
« Reply #44 on: July 18, 2017, 08:27:18 AM »
I don't think I am?  Just stating that run timing makes a resident fish more likely.  I don't know what he caught.

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Re: Pinks
« Reply #45 on: July 18, 2017, 08:35:47 AM »
Not anyone specifically, just in general. Who cares if it was a resident or early ocean returney? Why does it matter? Go fishing and enjoy it.
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Re: Pinks
« Reply #46 on: July 18, 2017, 12:18:03 PM »
Not anyone specifically, just in general. Who cares if it was a resident or early ocean returney? Why does it matter? Go fishing and enjoy it.

No kidding!  Like people are ashamed of catching a resident. They all eat good!   I pointed out that it was a resident coho because someone was trying to say pinks should be here because they caught a coho. That's not correct. Pinks will be here soon enough, and the ocean coho will be on their tails.

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Re: Pinks
« Reply #47 on: July 18, 2017, 12:22:47 PM »
I honestly think it depends on how the said Coho identifies itself; whether it selects "resident" or "non resident."
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Re: Pinks
« Reply #48 on: July 18, 2017, 12:59:22 PM »
I honestly think it depends on how the said Coho identifies itself; whether it selects "resident" or "non resident."

Now this is a whole nother ball of wax. Maybe they don't like being called silvers, but identify as kings? Pinks is a name with inherent feminine undertones, so now we're assuming their identity!?!?! So unfair, they really need to be shiny salmon-like fish with spots that may or may not have migrated to the ocean and might have spots on its tail, or dark gums. Not that theres anything wrong with dark gums or spotted tails!
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Re: Pinks
« Reply #49 on: July 18, 2017, 01:08:55 PM »
Poor species, not only do they have the nickname of humpies, their true name is pinks. But not only that they're are also known as small and soft!
They need to seek shelter in Elliot Bay so I can take care of them!
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