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White Tail or Muley?
« on: August 07, 2017, 09:00:16 AM »
So this is over in the Bumping unit.  I didn't think there were any whitetail over there, but this guy sure looks like a whitetail to me with his eye guards.  He's been on camera a few times, but it's always coming from the same direction so I don't have a good butt pic (that's what she said). 

And if it is a whitetail...he's off limits, right? 

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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2017, 09:01:19 AM »
Looks white to me.
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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2017, 09:01:46 AM »
That's a white tail, not familiar with the regs in that area.
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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2017, 09:02:52 AM »
It looks like a whitetail.  It's hard to say though.  It has pretty large ears. :dunno:
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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2017, 09:06:23 AM »
Is this the same buck?  I stole this from your other thread.
This looks like a Muley to me, based off of the face and ears. :twocents:
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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2017, 09:08:00 AM »
Doesn't really look like a whitetail face to me. Do you have any better photos of the face, and throat area? Could be a blacktail.

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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2017, 09:16:20 AM »
Is this the same buck?  I stole this from your other thread.
This looks like a Muley to me, based off of the face and ears. :twocents:

Pretty sure its the same buck.  This is a different one...I just thought their lacks looked markedly different. 

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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2017, 09:24:03 AM »
Because I don't see any white on the inside of the upper right rear leg, I think it is a mule deer or blacktail.

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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2017, 09:28:33 AM »
Looks like he's got nuts like an old goat in that first pic lol
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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2017, 09:34:36 AM »
Looks like he's got nuts like an old goat in that first pic lol

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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2017, 09:50:58 AM »
Could also be a cross between muley and whitetail. See that often in some parts of eastern wa. But i would its a bt/md cross

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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2017, 09:52:22 AM »
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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2017, 09:55:37 AM »
Given the fact that according to WDFW, there aren't any bt on the east side (at least none with an open season), where do the regulations come down on crossbreeds? 

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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2017, 09:57:33 AM »
Crossbreads arent considered. They would say thats a muley since its on the east side. If it was on the west side they would say bt

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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2017, 12:08:23 PM »
Looks like he's got nuts like an old goat in that first pic lol

Tarsal gland puffed out.....   :rolleyes:   :chuckle:

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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2017, 12:10:37 PM »
New pics look more muley.
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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2017, 12:20:06 PM »
I says it a Wuley.

or it may be Mighttail.
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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2017, 03:59:06 PM »
Muley
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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2017, 04:22:19 PM »
It's a mule deer

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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2017, 05:05:24 PM »
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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2017, 05:24:48 PM »
A lot of the deer there are more blacktail/mulie hybrids.  If you compare them to true coastal blacktails don't quite line up.  Same if you compare to true mule deer from eastern Washington.  That 3 point rack is pretty typical of the bucks there.  I consider that a transitional zone from blackies and mulies.  Once the horns grow a bit more and harden off it will not look like a white tail.  The throat white patch is another clue.
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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2017, 05:28:27 PM »
Looks like a mule deer to me.

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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2017, 08:08:17 PM »
A shot of the tail would go a long way in identifying the animal.  The first pic looks like classic whitetail antlers, subsequent photos look like muley.  The portion of the tail that can be seen in the final photo looks like textbook mule deer, huh?
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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2017, 08:59:07 PM »
Mule deer. First pic a whiteys tail would be partially visible

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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2017, 11:16:36 AM »
Muley.  It's a little tough to differentiate by antlers at that stage, but the ears are a dead give-away.

Coloration is pretty light for a mule deer for sure, but color is a silly way of differentiating between deer as there's so much natural variation.

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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2017, 11:25:56 AM »
First pic is whitetail,pic two and three are mule deer.It looks like a case of mule deer and white tail mixed together in the same area to me,and different deer to me. :twocents:

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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2017, 03:22:27 PM »
first picture is a whitetail that rack is 100% whitetail buck. I did shoot a cross in eastern Montana that had a perfect whitetail rack and a muley body. Either way everything about the first pic says whitetail

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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2017, 03:23:57 PM »
You can't just go by the antlers, there is such thing as 3 point mule deer too.

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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2017, 03:31:57 PM »
You can't just go by the antlers, there is such thing as 3 point mule deer too.
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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2017, 03:38:07 PM »
You can't just go by the antlers, there is such thing as 3 point mule deer too.
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the first picture I would call the right side a 5 point?  I count eye guards on whitetails but not mule deer and that is a whitetail. I have shot and seen 3 point mule deer not sure of your point there.

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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #30 on: August 09, 2017, 04:01:50 PM »
Picture 001 and 002 are the same deer - both mule deer.
Look at the face and the ears.  Clear as day. :tup:
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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #31 on: August 09, 2017, 04:24:46 PM »
I've heard a few stories of a small pocket of whitetail on bald mountain years ago. Maybe some of those genes got mixed in with the recovering muley population.  What happened to the deer population in Nile/Bumping/Naches?  I'm seeing deer but nothing like I'd expect with the regulations and the habitat. 

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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #32 on: August 09, 2017, 05:21:31 PM »
Picture 001 and 002 are the same deer - both mule deer.
Look at the face and the ears.  Clear as day. :tup:
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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #33 on: August 09, 2017, 05:25:00 PM »
I've heard a few stories of a small pocket of whitetail on bald mountain years ago. Maybe some of those genes got mixed in with the recovering muley population.  What happened to the deer population in Nile/Bumping/Naches?  I'm seeing deer but nothing like I'd expect with the regulations and the habitat.
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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #34 on: August 09, 2017, 07:55:30 PM »
I'd say pic 1 is a WT, 2 & 3 are mule. The antlers tell the tale. Harder to tell at this point, but number 1 clearly, to me anyways, has the points originating off the main beam. 2 and 3 are the BT/Muley w points forking.

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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #35 on: August 09, 2017, 08:12:57 PM »
When there are only 3 don't they all originate from a main beam? I've seen quite a few three point Muleys over there years that had very whitetailesg antlers
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Re: White Tail or Muley?
« Reply #36 on: August 09, 2017, 08:20:02 PM »
Picture 001 and picture 001 are the slaw deer.
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