collapse

Author Topic: New sight that is WA Legal?  (Read 3129 times)

Offline carpsniperg2

  • Site Sponsor
  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+74)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2009
  • Posts: 25594
  • Location: Goldendale,WA
New sight that is WA Legal?
« on: August 11, 2017, 12:16:47 PM »
Was surfing around and found this.

https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/optics/sights/see-all-open-sight-delta-triangle-sight.html

I called and talked to the company and seems like it is indeed wa legal according to them. I reviewed the rules with them and this sight has no glass it's all plastic. Has fiber optic or tritium "depending on the model you get".

It does not magnify any part of the target just the cross hairs them selves. The rules say no telescopic sight so that's the only thing that makes me wonder, yet the target is not magnified.

Owner: SPLIT DIAMOND TACTICAL
Firearms/Transfers/Parts/Optics
2011 HW Head Competition Winner

Offline Special T

  • Truth the new Hate Speech.
  • Washington For Wildlife
  • Trade Count: (+11)
  • Explorer
  • *
  • Join Date: Aug 2009
  • Posts: 17178
  • Location: Skagit Valley
  • Wake me when you need me.
    • Silver Arrow Bowmen
Re: New sight that is WA Legal?
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2017, 12:20:14 PM »
I have had the opportunity to use one of these on a shotgun. I would say they arnt that much better than fiber optics. The real up side is on a defensive shot gun or a longer barrel that has no pin to get hung up on stuff.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk

The Truth is like Poetry, and most people hate Poetry

Offline carpsniperg2

  • Site Sponsor
  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+74)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2009
  • Posts: 25594
  • Location: Goldendale,WA
Re: New sight that is WA Legal?
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2017, 01:18:21 PM »
YES I talked to them on the phone myself and they said WA legal.

So even though they said they are im still not 100% hopefully bigtex or someone else might know for sure.
Owner: SPLIT DIAMOND TACTICAL
Firearms/Transfers/Parts/Optics
2011 HW Head Competition Winner

Offline Special T

  • Truth the new Hate Speech.
  • Washington For Wildlife
  • Trade Count: (+11)
  • Explorer
  • *
  • Join Date: Aug 2009
  • Posts: 17178
  • Location: Skagit Valley
  • Wake me when you need me.
    • Silver Arrow Bowmen
Re: New sight that is WA Legal?
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2017, 01:42:13 PM »
They don't use batteries or magnify so I can't see why not.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk

The Truth is like Poetry, and most people hate Poetry

Offline carpsniperg2

  • Site Sponsor
  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+74)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2009
  • Posts: 25594
  • Location: Goldendale,WA
Re: New sight that is WA Legal?
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2017, 01:47:16 PM »
They do magnify there own crosshairs? So I don't know if that falls under the telescopic sight rule.
Owner: SPLIT DIAMOND TACTICAL
Firearms/Transfers/Parts/Optics
2011 HW Head Competition Winner

Online Bob33

  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Explorer
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2009
  • Posts: 16718
  • Groups: SCI, RMEF, NRA
Re: New sight that is WA Legal?
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2017, 01:49:21 PM »
If it meets all the following requirements it should be legal in Washington:

"(b) Sights must be open, peep, or of other open sight design. Fiber optic sights are legal. Telescopic sights or sights containing glass are prohibited."
Nature. It's cheaper than therapy.

Online CP

  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2008
  • Posts: 4455
  • Location: Everett
Re: New sight that is WA Legal?
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2017, 01:52:55 PM »
It has a pretty high percentage of negative reviews.


Offline carpsniperg2

  • Site Sponsor
  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+74)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2009
  • Posts: 25594
  • Location: Goldendale,WA
Re: New sight that is WA Legal?
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2017, 02:02:40 PM »
Yeah I'm not sure. I personally shoot reflex type sights way better then standard irons. So I like the idea of their aiming points and if a guy gets the tritium model then in dark timber or low light I can see it having a advantage over just plain stock type fiber optics.
Owner: SPLIT DIAMOND TACTICAL
Firearms/Transfers/Parts/Optics
2011 HW Head Competition Winner

Offline reelamin

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Pilgrim
  • *
  • Join Date: Apr 2017
  • Posts: 26
Re: New sight that is WA Legal?
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2017, 10:48:06 AM »
It contains glass and personally I would say it was illegal.  But I'm not interested in "interpretations" of what he law says....pretty much black and white and I don't push limits on what is not allowed.

Offline whacker1

  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Old Salt
  • ******
  • Join Date: Dec 2008
  • Posts: 5507
  • Location: Spokane
Re: New sight that is WA Legal?
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2017, 11:05:54 AM »
tagging along

Offline carpsniperg2

  • Site Sponsor
  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+74)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2009
  • Posts: 25594
  • Location: Goldendale,WA
Re: New sight that is WA Legal?
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2017, 11:23:24 AM »
It contains glass and personally I would say it was illegal.  But I'm not interested in "interpretations" of what he law says....pretty much black and white and I don't push limits on what is not allowed.

It does not contain glass only plastic and fiber optic. No glass

I spoke to my local warden yesterday and he said he looked into them and did not see anything that would make him say that they were not legal to use.
Owner: SPLIT DIAMOND TACTICAL
Firearms/Transfers/Parts/Optics
2011 HW Head Competition Winner

Offline bowhunterforever

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Old Salt
  • ******
  • Join Date: Oct 2008
  • Posts: 7636
  • Location: Lincoln, Co
Re: New sight that is WA Legal?
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2017, 02:20:47 PM »
Tag
You know how to skin griz pilgram

Offline Atroxus

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Dec 2009
  • Posts: 2117
  • Location: Marysville, WA
Re: New sight that is WA Legal?
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2017, 03:04:05 PM »
I wouldn't risk it. They might be legal, but do you want to spend the money on a lawyer if a WDFW enforcement officer and prosecutor disagree with the manufacturer on interpretation of the law?  :dunno: :twocents:

Offline cboom

  • Virtual Campfire
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Longhunter
  • *
  • Join Date: Nov 2008
  • Posts: 749
  • Permanently Banned!
Re: New sight that is WA Legal?
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2017, 10:04:53 PM »
I wouldn't risk it. They might be legal, but do you want to spend the money on a lawyer if a WDFW enforcement officer and prosecutor disagree with the manufacturer on interpretation of the law?  :dunno: :twocents:

From what I see it looks like it would be legal. I have met several game wardens over the years and they seemed to be good honest people. I really don't think a warden would ticket a guy for using this sight unless there is something about it they can cite as illegal in the law?
« Last Edit: August 18, 2017, 01:22:29 AM by cboom »

Offline carpsniperg2

  • Site Sponsor
  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+74)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2009
  • Posts: 25594
  • Location: Goldendale,WA
Re: New sight that is WA Legal?
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2017, 11:19:27 PM »
I talked with the company, muzzleloads.com guys and my local warden all say good to go. I'm going to see how it does.
Owner: SPLIT DIAMOND TACTICAL
Firearms/Transfers/Parts/Optics
2011 HW Head Competition Winner

Offline millerwheeler

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Hunter
  • ***
  • Join Date: Jun 2014
  • Posts: 161
  • Location: Spanaway
  • Get out and put some miles on those boots
Re: New sight that is WA Legal?
« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2017, 10:32:29 AM »
I'm gonna print off emails from company staying wa legal and carry with me I just purchased one

Offline Curly

  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Explorer
  • ******
  • Join Date: Mar 2007
  • Posts: 17460
  • Location: Thurston County
Re: New sight that is WA Legal?
« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2017, 10:56:56 AM »
The company seems very proud of their product.  $94..........  :o
May I always be the kind of person my dog thinks I am.

><((((>` ><((((>. ><((((>.><((((>

Offline Skillet

  • Business Sponsor
  • Trade Count: (+7)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jun 2009
  • Posts: 3718
  • Location: Sitka / Everett
Re: New sight that is WA Legal?
« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2017, 11:06:03 AM »
Curious to see how raindrops affect sight the picture.  :dunno:
KABOOM Count - 1

"The ocean is calling, and I must go."

Offline carpsniperg2

  • Site Sponsor
  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+74)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2009
  • Posts: 25594
  • Location: Goldendale,WA
Re: New sight that is WA Legal?
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2017, 11:13:19 AM »
I wondered that to cause it rains and snows during the late muzzy hunt often. I saw a you tube video that said it has curved plastic so the water tends to run off it pretty good. I'll give it a go when I get a rain and it's not to dry out and see what I can do with it.

95 might be s little steep but when a guy spends 300-1500 on a rifle scope 95 on a muzzleloader sight don't seem to bad lol. I got mine with bonus ebay bucks so net cost was 85.
Owner: SPLIT DIAMOND TACTICAL
Firearms/Transfers/Parts/Optics
2011 HW Head Competition Winner

Offline shorthair-on-point

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Scout
  • ****
  • Join Date: Sep 2008
  • Posts: 287
  • Location: East Wenatchee
Re: New sight that is WA Legal?
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2017, 11:46:15 AM »
I would be curious to hear from someone after they try it. I would be worried if it is effective beyond 100 yds.

Offline carpsniperg2

  • Site Sponsor
  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+74)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2009
  • Posts: 25594
  • Location: Goldendale,WA
Re: New sight that is WA Legal?
« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2017, 11:54:19 AM »
One of my thoughts on this as most us smoke pole people know. A front bead at 100 plus on a deer pretty much covers the whole vitals.

With this sight " I got the delta point model" you don't really have to cover anything up but rather set the tip of the triangle on the target. So I am curious to play with this as well. I am not a super long range guy with a smoke pole. 140ish yards is as long as I have ever shot a critter with mine.
Owner: SPLIT DIAMOND TACTICAL
Firearms/Transfers/Parts/Optics
2011 HW Head Competition Winner

Offline Sabotloader

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2011
  • Posts: 1808
  • Location: Idaho, Northern
Re: New sight that is WA Legal?
« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2017, 12:58:53 PM »
One of my thoughts on this as most us smoke pole people know. A front bead at 100 plus on a deer pretty much covers the whole vitals.

You are certainly correct - it really does cover a lot! but if you use a 6:00 hold the problem diminishes a lot.  With the Williams peep and the fiber front sight - this is the sight picture I use with the target sitting on top of the blade.



Quote
With this sight " I got the delta point model" you don't really have to cover anything up but rather set the tip of the triangle on the target. So I am curious to play with this as well. I am not a super long range guy with a smoke pole. 140ish yards is as long as I have ever shot a critter with mine.
Keep shooting muzzleloaders - They are a blast!!

Offline carpsniperg2

  • Site Sponsor
  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+74)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2009
  • Posts: 25594
  • Location: Goldendale,WA
Re: New sight that is WA Legal?
« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2017, 01:12:51 PM »
For sure. I use the 6 hold for shooting most of my handguns. I have really tried it with the long gun but I tend to pull shots high when I do it. I am not a great open sight shooter by any means. I think this sight basically is incurring the 6 hold and giving the tip of the triangle as a reference. So I am hoping that might keep me from pulling shots high.

I shoot a peep for that reason but have never been a fan of the narrow sight picture and they are always so dark to me. So hoping this might help me shrink my groups some.
Owner: SPLIT DIAMOND TACTICAL
Firearms/Transfers/Parts/Optics
2011 HW Head Competition Winner

Offline Sabotloader

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2011
  • Posts: 1808
  • Location: Idaho, Northern
Re: New sight that is WA Legal?
« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2017, 02:07:04 PM »
For sure. I use the 6 hold for shooting most of my handguns. I have really tried it with the long gun but I tend to pull shots high when I do it. I am not a great open sight shooter by any means. I think this sight basically is incurring the 6 hold and giving the tip of the triangle as a reference. So I am hoping that might keep me from pulling shots high.

I shoot a peep for that reason but have never been a fan of the narrow sight picture and they are always so dark to me. So hoping this might help me shrink my groups some.

I will share a couple of thoughts on this - in low light and while using a Williams Peep - I just remove the peep aperture and use the ring of the peep as a 'Ghost Ring' + during hunting season I use a .093 aperture. But they do make a .150 also which allows much more light and picture

They also make a 'Twilight' aperture that has a brass ring in the aperture to reflect more light.




« Last Edit: August 19, 2017, 02:15:41 PM by Sabotloader »
Keep shooting muzzleloaders - They are a blast!!

Offline carpsniperg2

  • Site Sponsor
  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+74)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2009
  • Posts: 25594
  • Location: Goldendale,WA
Re: New sight that is WA Legal?
« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2017, 02:35:21 PM »
I have had a couple of the twilight models. Someone needs to make one like that with a full fiber optic ring in it! That would be great!!!!
Owner: SPLIT DIAMOND TACTICAL
Firearms/Transfers/Parts/Optics
2011 HW Head Competition Winner