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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2017, 08:27:10 PM »
Doesn't matter, if they re-enter the draw your odds don't go down unless you carry three or four significant digits right of the decimal.


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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2017, 08:41:36 PM »
Doesn't matter, if they re-enter the draw your odds don't go down unless you carry three or four significant digits right of the decimal.


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You lost me stein. The minimum is one digit to the left of the decimal as I understand the system.

If 50 people turn their permits back in and they average 10 points a piece, that's 5,000 applications back in the pool next year as opposed to 50 applications if they kept their permits. You don't feel that reduces your odds next year?

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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2017, 06:36:31 AM »
Seems to me anyone with ten or more points. Doesn't have any better chance then the guy with 4.   :dunno: see and hear about guys with 19 points not drawing but a guy with 5 does. Luck of the draw I guess.  :chuckle:

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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2017, 08:17:43 AM »
With the odds being what they are, it's all luck.

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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2017, 08:50:32 AM »
Seems to me anyone with ten or more points. Doesn't have any better chance then the guy with 4.   :dunno: see and hear about guys with 19 points not drawing but a guy with 5 does. Luck of the draw I guess.  :chuckle:

Individual odds with 10 are better; there are just more guys with 4 putting in. As stated, luck rules.
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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #30 on: September 09, 2017, 09:22:46 AM »
Doesn't matter, if they re-enter the draw your odds don't go down unless you carry three or four significant digits right of the decimal.


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You lost me stein. The minimum is one digit to the left of the decimal as I understand the system.

If 50 people turn their permits back in and they average 10 points a piece, that's 5,000 applications back in the pool next year as opposed to 50 applications if they kept their permits. You don't feel that reduces your odds next year?

The way the math works is that the draw odds are so low in the best quality hunts that having another guy or ten in the draw doesn't noticeably change your odds.  If you have a 3% chance or a 3.004% chance, you have the same odds really.

The way I see it is that if you draw a tag, you should have a chance to hunt it.  If 50% of the unit burns up, especially if it is the 50% that 90% were going to hunt then it really is a different deal and not fair to the guy who drew with 19 points.  I applaud WDFW getting in front of it and reinstating the points.

That said, I'm keeping my tag.

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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #31 on: September 09, 2017, 10:42:53 AM »
Good luck to you.  Hope your boots are broken in.  :tup:

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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #32 on: September 09, 2017, 10:46:11 AM »
I'm glad I drew it last year.  Wouldn't be too happy to lose a huge chunk of the prime areas to the fires.

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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2017, 10:53:03 AM »
Doesn't matter, if they re-enter the draw your odds don't go down unless you carry three or four significant digits right of the decimal.


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You lost me stein. The minimum is one digit to the left of the decimal as I understand the system.

If 50 people turn their permits back in and they average 10 points a piece, that's 5,000 applications back in the pool next year as opposed to 50 applications if they kept their permits. You don't feel that reduces your odds next year?

The way the math works is that the draw odds are so low in the best quality hunts that having another guy or ten in the draw doesn't noticeably change your odds.  If you have a 3% chance or a 3.004% chance, you have the same odds really.

The way I see it is that if you draw a tag, you should have a chance to hunt it.  If 50% of the unit burns up, especially if it is the 50% that 90% were going to hunt then it really is a different deal and not fair to the guy who drew with 19 points.  I applaud WDFW getting in front of it and reinstating the points.

That said, I'm keeping my tag.

 :tup: hope it all works out and you bag a monster. Make the best of it.

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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2017, 10:56:31 AM »
Doesn't matter, if they re-enter the draw your odds don't go down unless you carry three or four significant digits right of the decimal.


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You lost me stein. The minimum is one digit to the left of the decimal as I understand the system.

If 50 people turn their permits back in and they average 10 points a piece, that's 5,000 applications back in the pool next year as opposed to 50 applications if they kept their permits. You don't feel that reduces your odds next year?

The way the math works is that the draw odds are so low in the best quality hunts that having another guy or ten in the draw doesn't noticeably change your odds.  If you have a 3% chance or a 3.004% chance, you have the same odds really.

The way I see it is that if you draw a tag, you should have a chance to hunt it.  If 50% of the unit burns up, especially if it is the 50% that 90% were going to hunt then it really is a different deal and not fair to the guy who drew with 19 points.  I applaud WDFW getting in front of it and reinstating the points.

That said, I'm keeping my tag.
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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #35 on: September 09, 2017, 03:35:29 PM »
466 is closed also

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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #36 on: September 09, 2017, 05:12:43 PM »
I drew an archery bull tag. I was called and told the GMU was closed. I was told I could keep my tag in the event the UNIT reopened or have it postmarked by September 11 to get my points back. With the compiled points of 17 with my hunting partner I took my points back in the event the unit doesn't open before September 21 when the permit is over and I don't get to go elk hunting and I go back to zero points Really sucks but doesn't sting so  bad knowing next year we're going in with 18. It's just like seeing not selected again

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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #37 on: September 09, 2017, 05:29:01 PM »
I drew an archery bull tag. I was called and told the GMU was closed. I was told I could keep my tag in the event the UNIT reopened or have it postmarked by September 11 to get my points back. With the compiled points of 17 with my hunting partner I took my points back in the event the unit doesn't open before September 21 when the permit is over and I don't get to go elk hunting and I go back to zero points Really sucks but doesn't sting so  bad knowing next year we're going in with 18. It's just like seeing not selected again

Well hopefully next year you can strike again and come out with a monster. Sorry bout all the work and not being able to put it to test.

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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #38 on: September 10, 2017, 06:54:06 PM »
Yes it sucks for all. But have seen how much of the unit is closed (national forest that is) I believe they felt it was the right choice.  Some of my favorite places have gone up in flames and most likely lost a few cameras. But on the bright side it should be pretty good in a few years.
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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #39 on: September 10, 2017, 07:40:26 PM »
I drew an archery bull tag. I was called and told the GMU was closed. I was told I could keep my tag in the event the UNIT reopened or have it postmarked by September 11 to get my points back. With the compiled points of 17 with my hunting partner I took my points back in the event the unit doesn't open before September 21 when the permit is over and I don't get to go elk hunting and I go back to zero points Really sucks but doesn't sting so  bad knowing next year we're going in with 18. It's just like seeing not selected again

Did your email say that you get a point for this year?  Technically you drew this year so you should get a point even though you got your points back. Should be the same as this year with 17 points. The WAC says you only get a point if you don't draw.

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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #40 on: September 11, 2017, 03:13:53 PM »
As of now GMU 346 Little Naches is closed.

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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #41 on: September 11, 2017, 04:00:05 PM »
As of now GMU 346 Little Naches is closed.


Where did you see that?


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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #42 on: September 11, 2017, 04:00:15 PM »
How does one find out a GMU is closed? My dad has the quality rifle tag in 346 starting the 30th and he has not received any notification. Thanks in advance.


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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #43 on: September 11, 2017, 04:28:19 PM »
As of now GMU 346 Little Naches is closed.
A guy in our camp has that archery tag, I sure hope the entire unit isn't closed.  He's been able to hit the eastside of the 1900 since the start.

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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #44 on: September 11, 2017, 05:25:36 PM »
As of now GMU 346 Little Naches is closed.
checked w the guys hunting up there, they said this is not true :dunno:

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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #45 on: September 11, 2017, 05:59:47 PM »
As of now GMU 346 Little Naches is closed.

They can't close an entire GMU unless, I suppose, the whole entire GMU is public land. You can't close access to someone else's private land. Parts of it may be closed, but unless the entire GMU is public land, they can't close the whole thing.
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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #46 on: September 11, 2017, 06:04:17 PM »
As of now GMU 346 Little Naches is closed.

They can't close an entire GMU unless, I suppose, the whole entire GMU is public land. You can't close access to someone else's private land. Parts of it may be closed, but unless the entire GMU is public land, they can't close the whole thing.


WDFW could do an emergency closure and close down hunting in the gmu, much like they do with rivers and fishing...

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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #47 on: September 11, 2017, 06:05:23 PM »
As of now GMU 346 Little Naches is closed.

They can't close an entire GMU unless, I suppose, the whole entire GMU is public land. You can't close access to someone else's private land. Parts of it may be closed, but unless the entire GMU is public land, they can't close the whole thing.


WDFW could do an emergency closure and close down hunting in the gmu, much like they do with rivers and fishing...


Have you seen that done before?
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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #48 on: September 11, 2017, 06:15:44 PM »
I believe there was an instance in the mid-1970's they delayed opening day of deer in October for a week or so due to extreme fire danger, but was so long ago, I can't remember what year exactly.

Regardless, it doesn't take away the fact that they have the authority to open or close an area, especially in emergent situations like high fire danger or actual fires.  Just seems like commonsense to me, they can open or close a fishery outside of posted seasons, why not the same with hunting??


Not stating that is what is happening as I don't know, I am just saying it may be a possibility.   Don't believe WDFW has ever offered to take back permits and refund points across the board either, but they are now...

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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #49 on: September 11, 2017, 06:31:34 PM »
I believe there was an instance in the mid-1970's they delayed opening day of deer in October for a week or so due to extreme fire danger, but was so long ago, I can't remember what year exactly.

Regardless, it doesn't take away the fact that they have the authority to open or close an area, especially in emergent situations like high fire danger or actual fires.  Just seems like commonsense to me, they can open or close a fishery outside of posted seasons, why not the same with hunting??


Not stating that is what is happening as I don't know, I am just saying it may be a possibility.   Don't believe WDFW has ever offered to take back permits and refund points across the board either, but they are now...



@Bob33  Any thoughts on this?

What do you mean by refunding points across the board?
Points were refunded in the Wenaha and Tucannon a couple years ago for the archery guys due to the big fire down in that country too. It was optional. A couple guys I know of kept their permits and killed big bulls.
I'm not trying to argue...legitimate questions that Bob and I were talking about the other day.
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