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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #50 on: September 11, 2017, 07:05:20 PM »
I believe there was an instance in the mid-1970's they delayed opening day of deer in October for a week or so due to extreme fire danger, but was so long ago, I can't remember what year exactly.

Regardless, it doesn't take away the fact that they have the authority to open or close an area, especially in emergent situations like high fire danger or actual fires.  Just seems like commonsense to me, they can open or close a fishery outside of posted seasons, why not the same with hunting??


Not stating that is what is happening as I don't know, I am just saying it may be a possibility.   Don't believe WDFW has ever offered to take back permits and refund points across the board either, but they are now...



@Bob33  Any thoughts on this?

What do you mean by refunding points across the board?
Points were refunded in the Wenaha and Tucannon a couple years ago for the archery guys due to the big fire down in that country too. It was optional. A couple guys I know of kept their permits and killed big bulls.
I'm not trying to argue...legitimate questions that Bob and I were talking about the other day.

Again, that is/was something that did not effect me so I have/had no knowledge.

Again, I am not saying that is what is happening now.  I am just putting out a possible reason/answer to those that are saying "they" have closed such and such gmu and others are saying "they" can't close an entire gmu because of any private property inside it.

Again, I am suggesting that "they" are not closing access, but if "they" are infact shutting an entire gmu down, it may be hunting that is being shutdown, not across the board access.

To avoid any further nit-picking on my use of "across the board," let me try to clarify. I meant across the board to all those permit holders in the fire affected gmu's that have been the topic of discussion. 

I suppose I could have listed each gmu that has been discussed, followed by a cavaet that those particular permit holders were the ones geting points refunded if they chose instead of apparently muddying up the waters by saying "across the board" but I didn't realize it was going to be such a difficult concept to accept, and I thought it would be understood or implied that it was in regards to the unit(s) being discussed.

Sorry if I made things more difficult for some to understand what I was trying to say.  Just thought I was offering an alternative answer to the question about the entire gmu being closed and how "they" might be able to do it. 

It is something done with fisheries on a regular basis, just seems like it could apply here as well, don't understand why that is such a hard concept to grasp. 

Hopefully someone with inside knowledge of WDFW will chime in and then maybe we will all know the real answer as to what is happening...


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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #51 on: September 11, 2017, 07:21:00 PM »
There is nothing on the WDFW website indicating entire GMUs are closes to hunting. I don't believe they have closed entire GMUs or there were would be public information available.
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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #52 on: September 11, 2017, 07:22:38 PM »
This may clear-up the question of whether WDFW can do a closure under emergency rule, or at least this looks like it does...again, not talking about closing an area they do not own to access, but authorizing it being closed to the act of hunting.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=220-111-010

http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.12.150


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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #53 on: September 11, 2017, 07:23:14 PM »
There is nothing on the WDFW website indicating entire GMUs are closes to hunting. I don't believe they have closed entire GMUs or there were would be public information available.

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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #54 on: September 11, 2017, 07:24:31 PM »
This may clear-up the question of whether WDFW can do a closure under emergency rule, or at least this looks like it does...again, not talking about closing an area they do not own to access, but authorizing it being closed to the act of hunting.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=220-111-010

http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.12.150
If If want to hunt coyote in this GMU how would I know it is closed to hunting? On what authority could I be charged?
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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #55 on: September 11, 2017, 07:53:18 PM »
I'm sure the WDFW can close hunting by GMU, or for any particular area or region they like. I just don't know that that is what has been done. As Bob33 said, the WDFW has not notified the public of any closures. I believe people are mis-understanding, when they hear that a particular special permit holder has been given the option to turn in the permit and have points restored. If the GMU was closed to hunting, they would need to notify everyone, since there are other hunting seasons open besides the special permit elk hunts. There is bear, grouse, deer, etc. All general seasons open to all. Where is the news release that lets people know about each GMU that has been closed to hunting?

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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #56 on: September 11, 2017, 08:09:36 PM »
Just no access into most of the unit, unless your not afraid of custom pinstripes.  :chuckle:

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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #58 on: September 11, 2017, 09:01:54 PM »
Just no access into most of the unit, unless your not afraid of custom pinstripes.  :chuckle:
the waitress at gold creek told us that hunters were caught in the closed area of the natches unit elk hunting, they had a camp fire going.  That's crazy

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White river gmu closed
« Reply #59 on: September 11, 2017, 09:17:01 PM »
Any actual facts?  Call me old fashioned I guess.


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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #60 on: September 11, 2017, 10:26:09 PM »
Any actual facts?  Call me old fashioned I guess.


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Temporary gates put up with signs saying roads closed. Usfs website shows what forest service roads are closed.

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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #61 on: September 11, 2017, 10:34:44 PM »
This may clear-up the question of whether WDFW can do a closure under emergency rule, or at least this looks like it does...again, not talking about closing an area they do not own to access, but authorizing it being closed to the act of hunting.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=220-111-010

http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.12.150
If If want to hunt coyote in this GMU how would I know it is closed to hunting? On what authority could I be charged?

I would guess the same way that they are letting people know about returning permits, etc., but once again, I am sorry that I have made this such a hot issue and a target for nit-picking each and every minute and some what pointless detail beyond what has been said time and time again...no where was it stated hunting was, had or is going to be shut down, today, yesterday or tomorrow.

But to summarize:

1. Some people were saying a gmu was closed. 
2. Some people were questioning how a gmu could be closed. Focusing or fixatating on access being what was closed and questioning how that could be if there were parcels of private property whitin the boundary.
3. An additional possible option, explanation, idea, theory...pick whatever word works, as to how a gmu could be closed was offered, nothing more, nothing less.

I appologize for even trying to add to the discussion, as it clearly turned into a point of contention, seemingly like I was stating as fact that is what has happened/is happening.

Maybe I used too many words, clearly I used some of the wrong words in previous posts which resulted in way more focus on those particular line items and the result it seems was the initial intent was lost, ignored or it was just used as an excuse to nit-pick at something, anything...

This is one of the biggest downsides to conversations using typed responses vs actual, live, verbal conversations.  Not every one can read and interrupt writings the exact same way as others, and this is the type of fallout that results.


Good luck to those who choose to keep their permits, I hope that it works in your favor and you are successful, to the ones turning in their permits, sorry to see you have to make a tough call like that and I hope you do just as well or even better this season and get a chance in next years draw to recapture what you had to give up this year.


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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #62 on: September 12, 2017, 06:18:38 AM »
That is huntwa at times, but I'm here to say we have a camp in the nile and a guy who is and has been hunting the 346 all week including yesterday.  He hasn't been told to leave, they did have a barricade with someone standing by at milk creek and other roads, but they are letting hunters in.  Except, the 1900 rd is closed.  I think it was only good intentions when someone said it was closed, that's how I look at it anyway.

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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #63 on: September 12, 2017, 09:33:51 AM »
This may clear-up the question of whether WDFW can do a closure under emergency rule, or at least this looks like it does...again, not talking about closing an area they do not own to access, but authorizing it being closed to the act of hunting.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=220-111-010

http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.12.150
If If want to hunt coyote in this GMU how would I know it is closed to hunting? On what authority could I be charged?

I would guess the same way that they are letting people know about returning permits, etc., but once again, I am sorry that I have made this such a hot issue and a target for nit-picking each and every minute and some what pointless detail beyond what has been said time and time again...no where was it stated hunting was, had or is going to be shut down, today, yesterday or tomorrow.

But to summarize:

1. Some people were saying a gmu was closed. 
2. Some people were questioning how a gmu could be closed. Focusing or fixatating on access being what was closed and questioning how that could be if there were parcels of private property whitin the boundary.
3. An additional possible option, explanation, idea, theory...pick whatever word works, as to how a gmu could be closed was offered, nothing more, nothing less.

I appologize for even trying to add to the discussion, as it clearly turned into a point of contention, seemingly like I was stating as fact that is what has happened/is happening.

Maybe I used too many words, clearly I used some of the wrong words in previous posts which resulted in way more focus on those particular line items and the result it seems was the initial intent was lost, ignored or it was just used as an excuse to nit-pick at something, anything...

This is one of the biggest downsides to conversations using typed responses vs actual, live, verbal conversations.  Not every one can read and interrupt writings the exact same way as others, and this is the type of fallout that results.


Good luck to those who choose to keep their permits, I hope that it works in your favor and you are successful, to the ones turning in their permits, sorry to see you have to make a tough call like that and I hope you do just as well or even better this season and get a chance in next years draw to recapture what you had to give up this year.




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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #64 on: September 12, 2017, 11:50:12 AM »
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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #65 on: September 12, 2017, 01:12:33 PM »
Could it not be possible that the FS closed their land or a portion of it in that forest or area to all access and recreation, thus in turn shutting down hunting?  Or at least hunting on their land?  That wouldn't have been the WDFW shutting down hunting themselves but would affect hunting.  And if WDFW didn't shut down hunting they may not have it listed on their website because they haven't closed hunting (could still be allowed on private land, state land, etc). 

Landowner sets the rules and opens/closes land as they see fit.  At that point access points would be marked with signage and/or be temporarily barricaded.  People should be checking on landowner restrictions (private timber land, NF land, State Land, etc) every bit as much as they should be checking on WDFW restrictions.  Generally access is closed by landowner, not hunting closed by WDFW.  :twocents:

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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #66 on: September 13, 2017, 09:10:49 PM »
As far as white river goes besides Hancock. Every road off 410 is blocked and manned all the way to get 123. Even the entrances to the park.  So I am guessing that means no access across the board. Hunting or otherwise
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Re: White river gmu closed
« Reply #67 on: September 13, 2017, 09:26:38 PM »
Looks like there is some privately owned properties near Buckley.
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