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Re: Ghost camp
« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2017, 07:42:46 AM »
Heck, if you can do that why not just put up the sign saying you are reserving this site for the next 20 years?

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Re: Ghost camp
« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2017, 07:43:26 AM »
Personally I just move on.   The world is big enough to let the ephrata boys have their fun.   I guess I live in Yakima country and am used to ghost camps.   No, I donít like them, but....

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Re: Ghost camp
« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2017, 07:58:48 AM »
Heck, if you can do that why not just put up the sign saying you are reserving this site for the next 20 years?

...or a permanent structure. Good idea!  :tup:
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Re: Ghost camp
« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2017, 08:01:19 AM »
Are we that anal about a "SPOT" to mess with someones stuff?  There are millions of places to camp!   So a guy takes time and gets his spot, before anyone else? Boo Hoo, grow the hell up!!!   I personally set up my trailer the week before deer season, no need to try and reserve a spot. Its pretty damn easy, get off your butt and set up your camp.   

As for touching someones stuff,  your asking for an arse whuppin!  And you mess with the right persons stuff you just might get it!  Now is all that worth a confrontation?  Nope, simply move on and enjoy the great outdoors..   and for the most part many would probably welcome you to join their camp. 

As for calling the law?  Don't you think they got better things to do then fix a squabble over a dang camping spot?   First come first served... 
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Re: Ghost camp
« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2017, 08:01:53 AM »
The only time I don't like them is when they beat me to my spot!  :chuckle:

I don't think you are ever going to stop it, its been going on for many years and it will probably never change.  You just have to adapt.  Beat them at their own game. 

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Re: Ghost camp
« Reply #30 on: October 09, 2017, 08:05:32 AM »
Well said, as usual.

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Re: Ghost camp
« Reply #31 on: October 09, 2017, 08:16:20 AM »
Are we that anal about a "SPOT" to mess with someones stuff?  There are millions of places to camp!   So a guy takes time and gets his spot, before anyone else? Boo Hoo, grow the hell up!!!   I personally set up my trailer the week before deer season, no need to try and reserve a spot. Its pretty damn easy, get off your butt and set up your camp.   

As for touching someones stuff,  your asking for an arse whuppin!  And you mess with the right persons stuff you just might get it!  Now is all that worth a confrontation?  Nope, simply move on and enjoy the great outdoors..   and for the most part many would probably welcome you to join their camp. 

As for calling the law?  Don't you think they got better things to do then fix a squabble over a dang camping spot?   First come first served...

RT, I have a ton of respect for you. But we will disagree on this. The rules are there to make it fair for everyone needing a place to camp. If you want to reserve it a week ahead, it's simple; you have to be there for that week. Under your reasoning, why put it up just a week ahead? Why not two weeks, a month, or two months? It's not fair, that's why. I'm not about to take someone's stuff down myself, but I will call LE. And as far as LE having better things to do? If all they did was investigate major crimes, I'd leave them alone. But that's not their whole job. If they can pull me over for a missing tail light or going 11 miles over the speed limit, and then also charge me for drinking a cup of coffee, they can come investigate someone leaving their garbage out in the woods. And that's what it is - garbage.
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Re: Ghost camp
« Reply #32 on: October 09, 2017, 08:19:04 AM »
I never have, and still don't get the 'look the other way' mentality when it comes to certain stuff. When do you stop? When the guy shoots a deer during archery season with a rifle? Theres lot of other deer in the woods, he's not bothering your hunt! When the guy poaches a moose? You weren't hunting moose, it doesn't make any difference to you so why bother calling the warden?

Thing is, whats illegal is illegal. Doesn't matter if its poaching or some guy claiming a spot with a ghost camp... by the way, its hard to look at it as "first come first served" when theres no one there.  :twocents:

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Re: Ghost camp
« Reply #33 on: October 09, 2017, 08:20:09 AM »
Are we that anal about a "SPOT" to mess with someones stuff?  There are millions of places to camp!   So a guy takes time and gets his spot, before anyone else? Boo Hoo, grow the hell up!!!   I personally set up my trailer the week before deer season, no need to try and reserve a spot. Its pretty damn easy, get off your butt and set up your camp.   

As for touching someones stuff,  your asking for an arse whuppin!  And you mess with the right persons stuff you just might get it!  Now is all that worth a confrontation?  Nope, simply move on and enjoy the great outdoors..   and for the most part many would probably welcome you to join their camp. 

As for calling the law?  Don't you think they got better things to do then fix a squabble over a dang camping spot?   First come first served...
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Re: Ghost camp
« Reply #34 on: October 09, 2017, 08:47:03 AM »
We should take a poll to see who has already set up their hunting camp for the  modern firearm deer opener this coming weekend or who will set one up this week before opening day. That includes leaving tent, trailer or RV unattended.

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Re: Ghost camp
« Reply #35 on: October 09, 2017, 08:55:15 AM »
I go over early, but have never left stuff and came home.

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Re: Ghost camp
« Reply #36 on: October 09, 2017, 09:11:35 AM »
Are we that anal about a "SPOT" to mess with someones stuff?  There are millions of places to camp!   So a guy takes time and gets his spot, before anyone else? Boo Hoo, grow the hell up!!!   I personally set up my trailer the week before deer season, no need to try and reserve a spot. Its pretty damn easy, get off your butt and set up your camp.   

As for touching someones stuff,  your asking for an arse whuppin!  And you mess with the right persons stuff you just might get it!  Now is all that worth a confrontation?  Nope, simply move on and enjoy the great outdoors..   and for the most part many would probably welcome you to join their camp. 

As for calling the law?  Don't you think they got better things to do then fix a squabble over a dang camping spot?   First come first served...

RT, I have a ton of respect for you. But we will disagree on this. The rules are there to make it fair for everyone needing a place to camp. If you want to reserve it a week ahead, it's simple; you have to be there for that week. Under your reasoning, why put it up just a week ahead? Why not two weeks, a month, or two months? It's not fair, that's why. I'm not about to take someone's stuff down myself, but I will call LE. And as far as LE having better things to do? If all they did was investigate major crimes, I'd leave them alone. But that's not their whole job. If they can pull me over for a missing tail light or going 11 miles over the speed limit, and then also charge me for drinking a cup of coffee, they can come investigate someone leaving their garbage out in the woods. And that's what it is - garbage.

I can see both sides of the argument.  I personally don't have many issues in my area. But Im sure some places it can cause issues.  Heck just pull your trailer next to mine.  Ha ha problem solved buddy.. 
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Re: Ghost camp
« Reply #37 on: October 09, 2017, 09:14:24 AM »
My question to some of you is what are/is your basics of calling a ghost camp.  (I know this camp is obvious). But many times maybe they arenít.   I have a lean camp.  I might be gone by 3am back at 10pm.  I donít have stuff out. I donít want it stolen or rained on. You might only see a tent and if I am really getting fancy, a woodpile.  Youíd have to unzip my tent to see what is in it.   Would you go that far?   Then there are occasions I coyote out.  Is that illegal because I left my basecamp for more than 24 hours?  Itís really sad when most of my trip out I am worried about how I am going to find my camp when I return.  Itís bad enough the meth heads, but regular outdoorsman as well.....  curious?
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Re: Ghost camp
« Reply #38 on: October 09, 2017, 09:25:06 AM »
I try and allow others some wiggle room.  If you setup a total BS camp 1-2 weeks early that only takes 10-15 minutes and then do not come back at all until opening day or the night before then I have no problem if someone takes it down or calls the LE.

If you are setting up a larger camp and are in and out for the week before using it to some level then I have no issue with early camps.  I know some that would start setting up camp early and bring out the family to camp, hike and scout prior to the season. Then leave for a few days and return for the opener.

I have never stopped to poke around in another persons camp, but there were a few I was wondering if they were being used at all. 





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Re: Ghost camp
« Reply #39 on: October 09, 2017, 09:33:47 AM »
My question to some of you is what are/is your basics of calling a ghost camp.  (I know this camp is obvious). But many times maybe they arenít.   I have a lean camp.  I might be gone by 3am back at 10pm.  I donít have stuff out. I donít want it stolen or rained on. You might only see a tent and if I am really getting fancy, a woodpile.  Youíd have to unzip my tent to see what is in it.   Would you go that far?   Then there are occasions I coyote out.  Is that illegal because I left my basecamp for more than 24 hours?  Itís really sad when most of my trip out I am worried about how I am going to find my camp when I return.  Itís bad enough the meth heads, but regular outdoorsman as well.....  curious?

Again, I'm not going to take down anyone's camp. A ghost camp is anything unattended for more than 24 hours. If it's a tent with a chair and nothing else, it's a ghost camp. The LE can make a determination of what they find when they come to look at it.
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Re: Ghost camp
« Reply #40 on: October 09, 2017, 09:47:11 AM »
 :yeah:
Are we that anal about a "SPOT" to mess with someones stuff?  There are millions of places to camp!   So a guy takes time and gets his spot, before anyone else? Boo Hoo, grow the hell up!!!   I personally set up my trailer the week before deer season, no need to try and reserve a spot. Its pretty damn easy, get off your butt and set up your camp.   

As for touching someones stuff,  your asking for an arse whuppin!  And you mess with the right persons stuff you just might get it!  Now is all that worth a confrontation?  Nope, simply move on and enjoy the great outdoors..   and for the most part many would probably welcome you to join their camp. 

As for calling the law?  Don't you think they got better things to do then fix a squabble over a dang camping spot?   First come first served...
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Re: Ghost camp
« Reply #41 on: October 09, 2017, 10:01:27 AM »
I think there's a huge difference between a guy who puts up his tent or trailer a bit ahead of season and does so in a way that grabs only as much real estate as that set up would require.  Is that legal, no, but it's not offensive.

However, a $35 yard sale white stag tent from 1975 and then a tape fence cordoning off half a football field?  NO.  Guy parks his trailer on a logging road that blocks the access to a flat that would hold 5 trailers? NO.  Guy takes a spot then chains off entry to other spots adjacent until his buddies arrive.... NO. 

If a guy wants his spot with his tent or trailer at risk in space that's appropriate, most people won't get in a twist. But the OP with the taped off field, I would see no problem with someone puling down that tape even if they had no intention of hunting or camping there.  I'd never touch a tent or trailer, but If that's where I was headed to camp I would not respect that tape line.

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Re: Ghost camp
« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2017, 10:14:28 AM »
I don't see anything wrong with heading over to your hunting spot early and setting up camp. Shoot I'm doing it in Idaho this year. Headed over to set camp, hunt a couple days then go home for a week so I can be home to take my 3 year old trick or treating. I'm heading back to camp after trick or treating and its going to be nice pulling into a set up tent at 3am. Just saying maybe there is a good reason behind them having camp up  :dunno:. If not I would still be respectful and set up elsewhere.

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Re: Ghost camp
« Reply #43 on: October 09, 2017, 10:17:48 AM »
I think there's a huge difference between a guy who puts up his tent or trailer a bit ahead of season and does so in a way that grabs only as much real estate as that set up would require.  Is that legal, no, but it's not offensive.

However, a $35 yard sale white stag tent from 1975 and then a tape fence cordoning off half a football field?  NO.  Guy parks his trailer on a logging road that blocks the access to a flat that would hold 5 trailers? NO.  Guy takes a spot then chains off entry to other spots adjacent until his buddies arrive.... NO. 

If a guy wants his spot with his tent or trailer at risk in space that's appropriate, most people won't get in a twist. But the OP with the taped off field, I would see no problem with someone puling down that tape even if they had no intention of hunting or camping there.  I'd never touch a tent or trailer, but If that's where I was headed to camp I would not respect that tape line.

 :yeah: I think the flagging tape put this one over the top...

But what do I care they are camped to low in elevation for my liking anyway.

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Re: Ghost camp
« Reply #44 on: October 09, 2017, 10:20:46 AM »
Are we that anal about a "SPOT" to mess with someones stuff?  There are millions of places to camp!   So a guy takes time and gets his spot, before anyone else? Boo Hoo, grow the hell up!!!   I personally set up my trailer the week before deer season, no need to try and reserve a spot. Its pretty damn easy, get off your butt and set up your camp.   

As for touching someones stuff,  your asking for an arse whuppin!  And you mess with the right persons stuff you just might get it!  Now is all that worth a confrontation?  Nope, simply move on and enjoy the great outdoors..   and for the most part many would probably welcome you to join their camp. 

As for calling the law?  Don't you think they got better things to do then fix a squabble over a dang camping spot?   First come first served...
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Re: Ghost camp
« Reply #45 on: October 09, 2017, 10:40:26 AM »
My question to some of you is what are/is your basics of calling a ghost camp.  (I know this camp is obvious). But many times maybe they arenít.   I have a lean camp.  I might be gone by 3am back at 10pm.  I donít have stuff out. I donít want it stolen or rained on. You might only see a tent and if I am really getting fancy, a woodpile.  Youíd have to unzip my tent to see what is in it.   Would you go that far?   Then there are occasions I coyote out.  Is that illegal because I left my basecamp for more than 24 hours?  Itís really sad when most of my trip out I am worried about how I am going to find my camp when I return.  Itís bad enough the meth heads, but regular outdoorsman as well.....  curious?

Again, I'm not going to take down anyone's camp. A ghost camp is anything unattended for more than 24 hours. If it's a tent with a chair and nothing else, it's a ghost camp. The LE can make a determination of what they find when they come to look at it.

So are these spots your thinking about camping in or do you just drive around looking for ghost camps to call the LE on?

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Re: Ghost camp
« Reply #46 on: October 09, 2017, 11:25:51 AM »
My question to some of you is what are/is your basics of calling a ghost camp.  (I know this camp is obvious). But many times maybe they arenít.   I have a lean camp.  I might be gone by 3am back at 10pm.  I donít have stuff out. I donít want it stolen or rained on. You might only see a tent and if I am really getting fancy, a woodpile.  Youíd have to unzip my tent to see what is in it.   Would you go that far?   Then there are occasions I coyote out.  Is that illegal because I left my basecamp for more than 24 hours?  Itís really sad when most of my trip out I am worried about how I am going to find my camp when I return.  Itís bad enough the meth heads, but regular outdoorsman as well.....  curious?

Again, I'm not going to take down anyone's camp. A ghost camp is anything unattended for more than 24 hours. If it's a tent with a chair and nothing else, it's a ghost camp. The LE can make a determination of what they find when they come to look at it.

So are these spots your thinking about camping in or do you just drive around looking for ghost camps to call the LE on?

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Re: Ghost camp
« Reply #47 on: October 09, 2017, 11:33:00 AM »
I'm asking a question cause I think it's pretty sad you keep bringing up the 24 hour rule, so if a guy who's camping by himself has to run home for a couple days, then with your logic he needs to completely pack up camp and you'll be calling LE

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Re: Ghost camp
« Reply #48 on: October 09, 2017, 11:42:30 AM »
Don't like the rule?  Change the rule. I would pack up.

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Re: Ghost camp
« Reply #49 on: October 09, 2017, 11:44:24 AM »
My question to some of you is what are/is your basics of calling a ghost camp.  (I know this camp is obvious). But many times maybe they arenít.   I have a lean camp.  I might be gone by 3am back at 10pm.  I donít have stuff out. I donít want it stolen or rained on. You might only see a tent and if I am really getting fancy, a woodpile.  Youíd have to unzip my tent to see what is in it.   Would you go that far?   Then there are occasions I coyote out.  Is that illegal because I left my basecamp for more than 24 hours?  Itís really sad when most of my trip out I am worried about how I am going to find my camp when I return.  Itís bad enough the meth heads, but regular outdoorsman as well.....  curious?

Big ditto to this concern ^^

On backpack hunts we/I usually leave food and a sleeping bag in our vehicle if we leave it at the trailhead.  That way I can hunt down to the vehicle, stay over night and hunt back up to my backpack camp, which by then has been left more than 24 hours unoccupied.  I may hunt lower country and sleep at my vehicle/base camp for more than one night.   If I have a base camp near the road, then it is left unoccupied for more than 24 hours, sometimes for several days.  That arrangement also lets me take out a pack load of meat only and not carry sleeping/eating gear because I have it at each end.  We tend to do that overnight round trip when solo or doing long pack outs.

I've only been doing this kind of thing for 50 years and now I find that such backcountry safety prudence is illegal???  Ditto for coyoteing out some nights, sans sleeping bag, and if so may be gone for two days from my spike camp.  In such situations, when you are tired and in bad weather, finding a snug dry camp intact as I left it is more important than merely pleasant.

Re trailheads:  I now hate to leave a vehicle at a trailhead after seeing some vandalized and several broken into.  I'd rather be dropped off and either cache some stuff in hiding or leave a minimal camp with as little as possible worth stealing.  Ghost camp?


 

 

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