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Blacktail Rut?
« on: October 09, 2017, 08:23:39 AM »
When does it start?

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Re: Blacktail Rut?
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2017, 08:39:01 AM »
I've seen bucks in the middle of the day as early as the 14th.
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Re: Blacktail Rut?
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2017, 08:55:20 AM »
About October 28th, in my experience.

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Re: Blacktail Rut?
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2017, 09:06:23 AM »
About October 28th, in my experience.
give or take a day  :tup:

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Re: Blacktail Rut?
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2017, 09:25:51 AM »
Took some video on my phone two nights ago, of a 2x3 with his nose up a doe's rear end. (Mount Vernon) It seems like the north sound/san juan island area always kicks off the first week of October.

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Re: Blacktail Rut?
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2017, 10:00:27 AM »
10 deer in the yard last night. 5 were bucks. 2 were locking antlers and shoving each other around a bit. Setting up to be the same as last year around my place. Heavy rut action started the 24th of October. Had big bucks in the yard on does until around the 4th of November then the smaller bucks showed back up and harassed the does for another week or so.

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Re: Blacktail Rut?
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2017, 06:50:36 PM »
Found new deer hair in old rubs a couple days ago while out elking.  No new rubs usually until late in the month down here. 

I put my cam back out in the yard a couple of hours ago.  We normally get a burst of nocturnal activity around Oct. 15th, just for a couple days, then it dies out till around the 10th of November.
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Re: Blacktail Rut?
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2017, 07:03:16 PM »
I started to get day time pics of bucks last year around the 27th of October.

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Re: Blacktail Rut?
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2017, 07:21:23 PM »
 Kid you not a buddy got a pic of this rutted up bad boy with 2 does last week. Look at his neck.  Buddy said he could have walked up and roped him.
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Re: Blacktail Rut?
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2017, 07:27:15 PM »
Usually around the 23rd of October around where I hunt. Give or take a week. Last year the rut (or pre-rut) was going off the first day of the rifle season. Then not much of anything until November but most activity was end of first week of October through end of first weekend. Both years before were right near the 23rd.

The colder weather and early darkness with the clouds this year could kick things off way early.
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Re: Blacktail Rut?
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2017, 07:50:30 PM »

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Re: Blacktail Rut?
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2017, 09:43:41 PM »
There was a guy, Dogzilla was his name I think, on one of the Oregon boards that used to say that the Oct. 26th was the first day the big bucks would move.   He insisted that that he 26th and one or two days following that would be the best days to be sitting on intersecting trails.  But Dogzilla also insisted that ALL does went into estrous at the same time, or within a 24 hour period, and he even went so far as to put a specific date to that.  Dogzilla was a very successful BT hunter, but this all sounded way over the top to me, considering there are BT doe estrous studies that show the latter is not the case.

Scott Haugen, in his book Trophy Blacktails - The Science of the Hunt, writes that the dates similar to those above correspond to the time that the big mature bucks first start showing an interest in breeding and make their first excursion in order to check out the locations of the doe herds (in Oregon).  Having seen photos and read reports on this WA forum over the past several years of big bucks moving at mid-day in mid-October, Haugen's remarks are clearly not consistent with local observations. 

I'll leave it to you all to consider the implications of the apparent variance BT buck behavior, and when it occurs, across the geographic range of the animal.  One thing seems certain, you never know what might be going on out in your woods once mid-October comes around.  There's only one way to find out for sure. 

Here's a good refresher article on buck behavior.  This one's on WT bucks (of course) since there are virtually no studies on BT bucks.  I believe that virtually all of the ten items apply to BT bucks though: 

https://www.qdma.com/10-things-know-mature-buck-movements/

Edit:  BTW - that's one hell of a nice BT 3nails!
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Re: Blacktail Rut?
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2017, 08:59:43 AM »
I wish we could have the 1-10 nov to hunt the grey ghost.

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Re: Blacktail Rut?
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2017, 01:40:12 PM »
Taking off  November 16-19th... any chance I might get lucky making bleat calls? first timer here. 

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Re: Blacktail Rut?
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2017, 09:58:21 PM »
Taking off  November 16-19th... any chance I might get lucky making bleat calls? first timer here.

Some guys swear by a doe bleat.  It only takes one time using a bleat can, then having a buck run in after you throw out a call to feel like you have a magic can in your possession.  Personally, I've never had any response at all to a bleat.  I use them quite frequently though as I still hunt, especially if I make some noise.  The idea is that you're pre-warning any other deer nearby that there is another deer (you) walking in the woods.  In theory, it keeps the other deer from going on full alert and possibly bolting when they hear you move.  They expect to see a deer after already having heard the deer in advance.  (I got that off the HowtoHunt.com Blacktail App.)  I really hate the bleat can though.  It rattles in my pocket and if I hit it with my gun stock, it really makes a bad noise.  Silence is golden.

It might be a bit early, but rattling antlers can get exciting pretty quick if you get some responses.  I'd recommend you use the "search this forum" function for rattling, or rattling blacktails and read up.  Also, check out numerous articles via Google and a few videos on Youtube.  Maybe a grunt tube used in conjunction with the antlers, especially later in the season would be appropriate.

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Re: Blacktail Rut?
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2017, 08:25:45 AM »
I don't have enough experience in the blacktail woods to predict a specific date the rut kicks in but the big boy I got last year on 10/22 was so focused on trailing a doe that he walked past me at 20 yards and had no clue I was there.  From what I hear they usually start a little later than the 22nd but you just never know when a buck or two might start early.

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Re: Blacktail Rut?
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2017, 11:24:04 AM »
Blacktails, tough to call it. I've killed em early season, middle, and during late buck, with swollen necks, so he'll if I know. 😆😆
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Re: Blacktail Rut?
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2017, 11:50:44 AM »
Bucks "rutting" is a direct response to doe estrous.  It is the doe estrous cycles that drive the rut.  Here's the first study I opened after Googling: black-tailed deer early estrous.   This article states that the the estrous cycles start as early as mid-Oct., which agrees with virtually all other articles on the subject.  Reviewing the literature cited at the bottom will give a much better understanding of cervid breeding cycles.

http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/wld/documents/techpub/b49.pdf

If you're not up to reading scientific journals, the main take-away should be that once a few does start estrous cycling, bucks will start responding by chasing etc.  It likely doesn't take more that just a handful of does in an area, and possibly just one doe near the immediate area that you're hunting for you to think that the rut is on.   And for that spot where you are standing and watching a buck nosing or chasing a doe, it is essentially on, at least for a few days or so.  For the region overall though, until enough does are entering estrous (say late October), the rutting behavior is a localized phenomenon.   Early to mid-November is when the majority of the successful breeding takes place.
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Re: Blacktail Rut?
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2017, 10:11:14 PM »
Hunting partner (who I trust whole heartedly) has been watching a buck chase a doe around this week at his work site.  I took the attached picture yesterday (its a screen shot to remove the risk of location tracking  :sry: ).  Doe wasn't quite having it yet, but he thought she smelled good and was chasing her around.

I guess this year I'm that guy that hopes we see some action early this year.  I am usually one who laughs at the rut threads and thinks it will be just like every other year, but its hard to not be hopeful when you have experiences like this.

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Re: Blacktail Rut?
« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2017, 11:13:09 PM »
 :yeah:  I could use some luck. 

That buck seems to be the Harvey Weinstein of the Blacktail world.  He's not taking no for an answer.
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Re: Blacktail Rut?
« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2017, 11:26:07 PM »
Taking off  November 16-19th... any chance I might get lucky making bleat calls? first timer here.

Use the Doe Bleat. I called in a 3x4 blacktail for a first time hunter in 2009, second week of general. I killed a nice mature 2x2 using a doe bleat with 20 minutes of light left on the last couple days of the late hunt a few years back.

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Re: Blacktail Rut?
« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2017, 06:43:07 AM »
Colder earlier this year. I'm guessing we are in for an early rut.

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Re: Blacktail Rut?
« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2017, 08:09:42 AM »
Kid you not a buddy got a pic of this rutted up bad boy with 2 does last week. Look at his neck.  Buddy said he could have walked up and roped him.

I would have said prove it  :chuckle:


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Re: Blacktail Rut?
« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2017, 08:19:32 AM »
Hell, I killed one of my biggest blacktail bucks on opening day of modern.  He was in full rut and pushing does.
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Re: Blacktail Rut?
« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2017, 09:58:55 AM »
I had one in my yard on October 11th chasing a doe already
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