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Re: NOT according to the WDFW, where are the healthy muley herds?
« Reply #25 on: October 11, 2017, 09:37:16 AM »
Entiat is holding in there along with Mission, but as noted, itís one step behind the Methow.   A banner harvest, a big winter, wolves taking over as they are already getting a foothold.  .   Itís all itís going to take.

Sounds like the 2015 central wa winter. I was seeing several hundred deer along the hwy. every night...that equals a ton of roadkill along with normal winter attrition. 


Saw 12 legal bucks in 3 days hunting and not 1 single hunter last year. Held out for the 170-180" buck I spotted . Back at it this year now with more time


I know where some are. Not saying where tho
I know right. I watched a pretty buck last night.



Just my  :twocents:, but a few deer do not constitute an entire herd like is being discussed in this thread. If anyone does not believe our mulie herds are in trouble right now.......SMH
Outside of central Wa, I think they are doing ok.

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Re: NOT according to the WDFW, where are the healthy muley herds?
« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2017, 09:45:32 AM »
I expected a response like that from an armchair biologist. No biggie..I live among WILD deer and Tame deer. Mule deer DO adapt to human interactions---in my backyard and in the"wild" .I am in the outdoors EVERYDAY on thousands of acres of timber,farm, and rural land. That is what I base my comments on...What do you base your comment "mule deer do not adapt easily to human interactions" on??      Not going to get into a pissing match. You will never change my mind and I will never change yours.  Over & out
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Re: NOT according to the WDFW, where are the healthy muley herds?
« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2017, 10:05:55 AM »
armchair biologist...you assume a lot...and we all know what happens when you assume...

There's more to life than hunting...there's fishing too!

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Re: NOT according to the WDFW, where are the healthy muley herds?
« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2017, 10:29:08 AM »
Disclaimer: This is pure opinion based on observation, and only relative to the Methow herd.

The healthy herds are not in Methow, I can tell you that. I think a big issue that's impacting the herd is simply lazy hunters. I'm seeing more of them than deer in the last couple seasons.

I was ~1.5 miles off the road when I shot my buck last year and had not one, but TWO sets of hunters literally DRIVE up to me on ATV's after I shot, and one group of 5 guys (who hunts like that?!) on ATV's come over the finger on the other side of the draw and glass me gutting my deer. All of that within 15 minutes of dropping my buck, no joke. Both sets commented they hadn't seen any deer all season, meanwhile they were pushing bucks like wild all around me. I could have shot three other bucks in the same morning that they drove past me. All head down, tongue hanging, and huffing from running away from the ATV's. I'm no biologist, but when they're getting driven that hard all season by lazy guys, it has got to impact their energy stores for the rut, winter, and escaping predators. In turn, hurting their ability to survive.

I've also seen at least two deer poached and left off the side of the backroads (Texas Creek is really bad) in Methow every year since the Carlton Complex Fire in 2014. Mostly Bucks (bodies left completely intact and heads gone) and a couple Does who most commonly have back-straps and one set of quarters taken off, rest left to spoil. Every instance of this has been after season, Nov-Dec. I almost think it's the same guy(s) based on what they take.

Just my  :twocents: but I can't imagine either of those has helped the herd.



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Re: NOT according to the WDFW, where are the healthy muley herds?
« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2017, 06:20:21 PM »
Disclaimer: This is pure opinion based on observation, and only relative to the Methow herd.

The healthy herds are not in Methow, I can tell you that. I think a big issue that's impacting the herd is simply lazy hunters. I'm seeing more of them than deer in the last couple seasons.

I was ~1.5 miles off the road when I shot my buck last year and had not one, but TWO sets of hunters literally DRIVE up to me on ATV's after I shot, and one group of 5 guys (who hunts like that?!) on ATV's come over the finger on the other side of the draw and glass me gutting my deer. All of that within 15 minutes of dropping my buck, no joke. Both sets commented they hadn't seen any deer all season, meanwhile they were pushing bucks like wild all around me. I could have shot three other bucks in the same morning that they drove past me. All head down, tongue hanging, and huffing from running away from the ATV's. I'm no biologist, but when they're getting driven that hard all season by lazy guys, it has got to impact their energy stores for the rut, winter, and escaping predators. In turn, hurting their ability to survive.

I've also seen at least two deer poached and left off the side of the backroads (Texas Creek is really bad) in Methow every year since the Carlton Complex Fire in 2014. Mostly Bucks (bodies left completely intact and heads gone) and a couple Does who most commonly have back-straps and one set of quarters taken off, rest left to spoil. Every instance of this has been after season, Nov-Dec. I almost think it's the same guy(s) based on what they take.

Just my  :twocents: but I can't imagine either of those has helped the herd.

Where in the Methow are ATVs allowed off the road or trail? I've seen it there before too, thinking I was going to be alone because I hiked away from the road then some dude rolls up on his retard chariot.

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Re: NOT according to the WDFW, where are the healthy muley herds?
« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2017, 12:15:18 AM »
Where in the Methow are ATVs allowed off the road or trail? I've seen it there before too, thinking I was going to be alone because I hiked away from the road then some dude rolls up on his retard chariot.


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Re: NOT according to the WDFW, where are the healthy muley herds?
« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2017, 01:01:22 AM »
While the wolves, cougars & coyotes may well have had an impact on the herd. Most of it can be contributed to WDFW's generosity of special permits to rifle, muzzle loaders & archery and senior citizens. Then throw in the fact they didn't want to feed the deer after the wildfires so they decided to hand out doe permits like their candy. You have people out there killing pregnant does and expect it to come back. You cannot kill off the breeding future of the herd and not expect it to suffer. :twocents:

hahaha....  there are no Archery methow permits.  I wish there was id add em to my list

 

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