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Author Topic: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)  (Read 9401 times)

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Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« on: October 10, 2017, 02:22:38 PM »
 I thought I'd throw this up before the 2017 general season begins, so those that still don't see a problem can vote now and see if they change their minds by the end of the year.

 There are those that couldn't care less what the herds look like, their only concern is being able to purchase a tag every single year and hunting. Then there are those that see the clear picture and understand the only way things are going to improve are with restrictions and pred control.

 The poll is set up so you may change your vote later.

 What say you?
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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2017, 02:26:55 PM »
I voted yes. Unless there is a clear and determined change in predator control, along with other factors, the mule deer herd is going to continue to decline. I am game for whatever it takes to ensure the health of the herd in the long run
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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2017, 02:28:54 PM »
If it takes that to help bump the herd back to objectives then I vote yes.

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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2017, 02:35:33 PM »
I would definitely favor greater harvest restrictions on mule deer...hunter harvest is a big factor in the GMU's I hunt.  In fact if it weren't for existing 3pt restrictions - I don't think a single buck would survive! 
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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2017, 02:37:08 PM »
A big yes from me phool, you know my feelings, if I could vote a "thousand" yes, s I would :tup:

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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2017, 02:42:06 PM »
I voted yes and will stick with that vote.I hunt an area that is a mix of whitetail and mule deer the quality and quantity of mule deer has gone down drastically since i started going to the area in 1992 and started hunting it in 1995.Would i like to be able to buy a tag and hunt every year of course but i would like to see recovery much more.I feel that white tail should be any deer and otc and mule deer should be draw. :twocents:

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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2017, 02:55:11 PM »
I'm not sure what the herd "used" to be necessarily. I can say that after just coming back from Montana, they have some HUGE mule deer over there.

I'm not opposed to a every other year situation across species. In my idea you could hunt mule deer one year and elk the next, eliminating the need (I'd hope) for having to choose what side of the state you hunt for elk.

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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2017, 02:58:43 PM »
 Several people that voted "yes" giving reasons why they vote that way, can we hear some of the reasons why some of you that voted "no"? I'm sure your reasons are as valid from your standpoint as anyone else's, let's hear them.
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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2017, 03:01:44 PM »
I'm not sure what the herd "used" to be necessarily. I can say that after just coming back from Montana, they have some HUGE mule deer over there.

I'm not opposed to a every other year situation across species. In my idea you could hunt mule deer one year and elk the next, eliminating the need (I'd hope) for having to choose what side of the state you hunt for elk.

 Remember this discussion? ;)

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,86231.msg1080089.html#msg1080089
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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2017, 04:06:24 PM »
Let me say, I have been against this since day one. Mostly because I didnít want to sit out a season waiting to be drawn, but I have completely flipped.  Our herd is in horrible shape.  I canít eloquently express how bad they are.  If we donít do something soon, they are done.   No doe tags, no late hunts for a couple years. Shut down units, something has to be done.

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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2017, 04:10:55 PM »
I don't support every other year or draw only I do support pick a side like elk. And I support specific area closures.  I also support increasing east side bear tags to 2 and upping the cougar quotas by quadrupule.
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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2017, 04:14:35 PM »
I haven't voted because I don't think it matters.

I'm pretty sure if you make it draw only for mule deer the wolves and cats will eat what ever number you think your going to save.

A bandaid on a pumping artery isn't going to change much.
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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2017, 04:21:53 PM »
I like Oregons system. Draw only for hunting mule deer. Set an amount of tags to be issued off population surveys. There are enough whitetail and blacktail hunting opportunities in this state to support everyone that does not draw. Just my  :twocents:

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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2017, 04:44:10 PM »
I do like over the counter tags,so no to draw,new system, But I would say yes to more restrictions on mule deer,like a 4pt min just on this site alone ,i see a lot if 3x2 that get harvested that could be nice deer if let live another year.No doe harvest at all for the whole state.That's youth,disabled,draw,doesn't matter no mule deer doe at all ,just plain illegal to shoot mule deer doe,with restrictions like these it might take a few years but herds would recover .
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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2017, 05:00:03 PM »
How about stopping the Indians from killing year round. That would help.  When I was kid they couldnít or didnít kill to fill orders for people. In Trout lake you can get them to kill you a deer for 100$ and a elk for 250$ or there about until this changes nothing will help. We limit our rights and they continue to do what they want.
Side note like the gill netting in the Columbia. That was gonna stop but yet they still do it. The sport guys need to change but not the gill net crew.. (non Indian)

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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2017, 05:24:56 PM »
I haven't voted because I don't think it matters.

I'm pretty sure if you make it draw only for mule deer the wolves and cats will eat what ever number you think your going to save.

A bandaid on a pumping artery isn't going to change much.

I'd hazard a guess without doing any research that there are crap tons more wolves and cats in most other western states that have a lot more controlled mule deer hunting and it's better quality mule deer hunting in pretty much every other western state in the nation than it is here with wide open harvest.

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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2017, 05:47:25 PM »
First, I want to say that winters are in most cases probably the biggest factor in deer numbers. Next, with roughly 4000 cougar that average eating 25-50 deer per year, it seems that some 100,000 or more deer are destined to....
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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2017, 05:48:34 PM »
I voted no.... That said I was 51% 49%.  I do think the doe permits should be eliminated, seasons reduced and late permits reduced.  Even close a couple of units if need be.
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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2017, 05:51:15 PM »
Yes, something needs to change.  Shorten archery to a week, muzzleloader to four days, modern to 3 days.  Drop  permit hunts in migratory units in central WA.  Able to use deer/elk/bear tag on cougars, bounty on coyotes.  Anything to limit harvest from us hunters but allow opportunity and control the predators we can at this point. 
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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2017, 05:57:49 PM »
First, I want to say that winters are in most cases probably the biggest factor in deer numbers. Next, with roughly 4000 cougar that average eating 25-50 deer per year, it seems that some 100,000 or more deer are destined to....

So as someone who is in the know on the cougar front, how would you say the WA lion population compares to other states like ID and MT where there is clearly better quality mule deer hunting?
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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2017, 06:02:16 PM »

I voted yes for Mule deer and take a whitetail. 

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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2017, 06:04:43 PM »
Yes, something needs to change.  Shorten archery to a week, muzzleloader to four days, modern to 3 days.  Drop  permit hunts in migratory units in central WA.  Able to use deer/elk/bear tag on cougars, bounty on coyotes.  Anything to limit harvest from us hunters but allow opportunity and control the predators we can at this point. 
I don't really have any knowledge on this topic, but this seems reasonable.  :dunno: I like the "choose your side" of the state also.

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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2017, 06:06:17 PM »

I D & M T have much lower population densities that can support more animals.  So I'd say that's not really a good comparison
I haven't voted because I don't think it matters.

I'm pretty sure if you make it draw only for mule deer the wolves and cats will eat what ever number you think your going to save.

A bandaid on a pumping artery isn't going to change much.

I'd hazard a guess without doing any research that there are crap tons more wolves and cats in most other western states that have a lot more controlled mule deer hunting and it's better quality mule deer hunting in pretty much every other western state in the nation than it is here with wide open harvest.
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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2017, 06:10:17 PM »
I personally think there's a lot that's got to change. The amount of hunters, predator management, all sorts of things.
There is no 1 answer.
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Re: Washington State Mule Deer Hunting Future (poll)
« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2017, 06:12:26 PM »
I personally think there's a lot that's got to change. The amount of hunters, predator management, all sorts of things.
There is no 1 answer.

 :yeah: probably the best answer
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