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Author Topic: Predator-proof pens ‘last-ditch effort’ to save Selkirk caribou  (Read 5998 times)

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Re: Predator-proof pens ‘last-ditch effort’ to save Selkirk caribou
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2017, 01:53:19 PM »
Maybe try OTC spring bear, aggressive wolf seasons, and allow vastly more lion harvest and with dogs.  Until WDFW actually begins to manage predators it's all smoke and mirrors. 
 I found a Caribou shed, and have unbelievable concentrations of all three major predators in that same drainage on my cameras.  You're fooling yourself, and grossly wasting public resources by not dealing aggressively with the real problem.   :sry:

It’s in Canada.

The Caribou shed I found wasn't.   :twocents:

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Re: Predator-proof pens ‘last-ditch effort’ to save Selkirk caribou
« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2017, 04:51:30 PM »
Seems strange, Canada with a wealth of wolf experience, works hard to reduce the number of predators taking out what little is left of the woodlands and we spend money and build fences for an animal that needs big territory.  Are they feeding them and dipping navels?  Asking the Laps for management ideas?  How much fence does $96,000 build in a remote wilderness?  Will the fence actually help the canids take caribou (probably impossible to keep the wolves out of the enclosure)?
The "fence" is really a temporary holding area (19 acres) for cows during calving.  We are going to capture the pregnant cows and hold them in the pen to calve to give the neonates a chance to grow a few weeks before releasing them.  Our current calf survival is low, and we think we are loosing them as neonates.

The pen will also provide an opportunity to test a "soft release" strategy for augmentation animals.  The last augmentation went badly.  The animals were dropped into a new area and never met up with the resident herd, they scattered all over the place and most died.  Hopefully the new animals will mother up to the resident animals while calving in the maternal pen.

Wolf removal has been effective and on going in the area. Wolves are collared and killed if they come into the recovery area.  Currently, I am less worried about them than losses from lions, bears and HWY 3.

Are there plans for augmentation?

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Re: Predator-proof pens ‘last-ditch effort’ to save Selkirk caribou
« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2017, 07:31:23 AM »
Maybe try OTC spring bear, aggressive wolf seasons, and allow vastly more lion harvest and with dogs.  Until WDFW actually begins to manage predators it's all smoke and mirrors. 
 I found a Caribou shed, and have unbelievable concentrations of all three major predators in that same drainage on my cameras.  You're fooling yourself, and grossly wasting public resources by not dealing aggressively with the real problem.   :sry:

It’s in Canada.


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It's about 12 miles north of the border near Salmo BC.

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Re: Predator-proof pens ‘last-ditch effort’ to save Selkirk caribou
« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2017, 10:07:02 PM »
Maybe try OTC spring bear, aggressive wolf seasons, and allow vastly more lion harvest and with dogs.  Until WDFW actually begins to manage predators it's all smoke and mirrors. 
 I found a Caribou shed, and have unbelievable concentrations of all three major predators in that same drainage on my cameras.  You're fooling yourself, and grossly wasting public resources by not dealing aggressively with the real problem.   :sry:

It’s in Canada.


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It's about 12 miles north of the border near Salmo BC.

Are there two of these pens then? I saw pictures of one farther north. Perhaps that one is targeted at another herd?
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Re: Predator-proof pens ‘last-ditch effort’ to save Selkirk caribou
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2017, 12:22:51 PM »
yes- actually there are three pens .  Two further north (Peace River area and Revelstoke) as well as the new one in the Selkirks.

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Re: Predator-proof pens ‘last-ditch effort’ to save Selkirk caribou
« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2017, 12:39:08 PM »
Too little, too late.
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Re: Predator-proof pens ‘last-ditch effort’ to save Selkirk caribou
« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2017, 01:09:53 PM »
Too little, too late.
It's late, but we have the choice of letting them go or trying something... and I tend to favor action. 

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Re: Predator-proof pens ‘last-ditch effort’ to save Selkirk caribou
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2017, 01:29:59 PM »
I agree. We need Arial gunning of wolves and coyotes!

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Re: Predator-proof pens ‘last-ditch effort’ to save Selkirk caribou
« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2017, 02:22:20 PM »
How was it determined that 19 acres are sufficient?

1 cow per enclosure?
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Re: Predator-proof pens ‘last-ditch effort’ to save Selkirk caribou
« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2017, 02:24:25 PM »
Too little, too late.
It's late, but we have the choice of letting them go or trying something... and I tend to favor action.


Question for you : Why are the Conservation groups, CNW, so interested in saving the wolf than the Woodland Caribou ? Is it the money they earn from the taxpayers paying off lawsuits or threatened lawsuits ? There has to be a reason that is not being told to the public.
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Re: Predator-proof pens ‘last-ditch effort’ to save Selkirk caribou
« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2017, 03:17:58 PM »
CNW supports the wolf removal.  They made an official statement to that effect.  I don't know about their funding or any lawsuits having to do with wolf removal. 

The only lawsuit having to do with Caribou is one to delist them in the states, brought by snowmobile clubs.

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Re: Predator-proof pens ‘last-ditch effort’ to save Selkirk caribou
« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2017, 03:40:05 PM »
CNW supports the wolf removal.  They made an official statement to that effect.  I don't know about their funding or any lawsuits having to do with wolf removal. 

The only lawsuit having to do with Caribou is one to delist them in the states, brought by snowmobile clubs.


I always wondered why nothing has ever been mentioned about the Caribou, for anyone. I think I asked you this question a couple years ago anyhow...Thanks
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Re: Predator-proof pens ‘last-ditch effort’ to save Selkirk caribou
« Reply #27 on: November 10, 2017, 08:43:35 AM »
CNW supports the wolf removal.  They made an official statement to that effect.  I don't know about their funding or any lawsuits having to do with wolf removal. 

The only lawsuit having to do with Caribou is one to delist them in the states, brought by snowmobile clubs.

Can exploding wolf populations be adequately controlled through selective removal by shooting them?

Of course we all know the can't and so does cnw an organization that is run by an ecoterrorist

Have to be fool to believe any propaganda and fake news from cnw

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Re: Predator-proof pens ‘last-ditch effort’ to save Selkirk caribou
« Reply #28 on: November 10, 2017, 10:03:00 AM »
Too little, too late.
It's late, but we have the choice of letting them go or trying something... and I tend to favor action.

Real action would be wdfw pulling there heads out of the sand and quit placating the unrealistic " enviro/animal" groups to drastically reduce ALL predators with ALL options on the table. Pretty simple and easy to see to anyone with common sense imo
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Re: Predator-proof pens ‘last-ditch effort’ to save Selkirk caribou
« Reply #29 on: November 10, 2017, 11:08:19 AM »
CNW supports the wolf removal.  They made an official statement to that effect.  I don't know about their funding or any lawsuits having to do with wolf removal. 

The only lawsuit having to do with Caribou is one to delist them in the states, brought by snowmobile clubs.

Can exploding wolf populations be adequately controlled through selective removal by shooting them?

Of course we all know the can't and so does cnw an organization that is run by an ecoterrorist

Have to be fool to believe any propaganda and fake news from cnw
Do you know much about the wolf removal program?  We have a trapper working the area pretty much full time watching for sign, when wolves are in the area he is trapping them, collaring them and using the collar to locate the rest of the pack.  Once we know the pack location, they are monitored and if the get near the caribou recovery area, a helicopter is used to shoot/remove the pack. 

If you have a better method- I'm all ears.

 

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