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Re: Ferry Co. Rancher shoots wolf.
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2017, 11:17:31 AM »
Oh, so sad. Yeah, don't read the comments. I can't wait until delisting, if that ever happens. That's when these people will start screaming at the sky again.

 Why, to see the screaming or to be able to hunt?


Both work for me.  :tup:

 Conversation for a different thread but you do realize that to do that would require our wolf numbers to increase........not a good idea. :twocents:

Well, they're going to increase whether we like it or not. That was always the plan. Delisting won't happen until the distribution of breeding pairs meets the outrageous wolf plan guidelines. But once delisting happens and we can start killing these eaters, they'll start to fear man again and that'll be a good thing. As of now, they have zero reason to fear us and have never known man to hunt them. I believe that depredation of livestock in MT and ID has gone down due to hunting and negative animal/human interaction, although ungulate populations continue to suffer.

 I don't believe they will at this rate. With continued livestock issues, the state will continue to take out problem packs which has seemed to stow/slow their increase in numbers. There has also been the occasional vigilanti and self defense shooting that has kept the numbers at this level.

H-phool,

I guess you didn't read the info. below, or maybe you forgot, at any rate the idea of killing a few wolves due to livestock predation and the occasional defense killing will slow the wolf population is ludicrous.
 

"As part of the FWS May 9, 2008 Response to Plaintiffs’ Motion for a Preliminary Injunction (to halt wolf management by the three states) Mech wrote the following in his 22-page “Declaration under penalty of perjury:”

“Every year, most wolf populations almost double in the spring through the birth of pups [Mech 1970]. For example in May 2008, there will not be 1,500 wolves, but 3,000! (Wolf population estimates are usually made in winter when animals are at their nadir*. This approach serves to provide conservative estimates and further insure that management remains conservative).”
(*lowest point)

“70% Kill Needed to Reduce Wolf Population”

Mech continued, “As indicated above, 28-50% of a wolf population must be killed by humans per year (on top of natural mortality) to even hold a wolf population stationery. Indeed, the agencies outside the NRM which are seeking to reduce wolf populations try to kill 70% per year (Fuller et al. 2003).” (emphasis added)
“Such extreme taking of the kind necessary to effectively reduce wolf populations is done via concerted and expensive government agency (Alaska, Y ukon Territories for example) programs using helicopters and fixed wing aircraft. Normal regulated public harvest such as is contemplated in the NRM is usually unable to reduce wolf populations (Mech 2001).” (emphasis added)"


"Human Harvest Does Not Halt Wolf Increases

On page 8 of the Jan-March 2008 article, I reported the Alaska study in Denali National Park where biologists found they had been underestimating total wolf numbers by 50% by documenting primarily packs of wolves instead of also documenting dispersing and transient wolves. Yet Idaho biologists continue to ignore the Alaska research and pretend that pups, yearlings and older wolves that emigrate from packs suddenly disappear from the face of the earth just because they are not wearing a radio-tracking collar.
A six-year study of the impact of hunting and trapping on wolf populations in Alaska’s Central Brooks Range by Layne Adams and four other scientists concluded that liberal harvest by hunters and trappers of 29% or less of a wolf population has no impact (yes I said NO impact) on wolf population increases. If you doubt that, I suggest you read more about this study, published in the May 2008 issue of Wildlife Monographs, later in this article."

http://idahoforwildlife.com/files/pdf/georgeDovel/The%20Outdoorsman%20No.28%20May%202008%20FWS%20Biologist%20Says%20Wolf%20Numbers%20Underestimated%20Mech%20Says%203,000%20Wolves%20Exist%20in%20ID,%20MT%20&%20WY.pdf


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Wolves scarce during special hunt

http://idahoforwildlife.com/files/pdf/News/Wolves%20scarce%20during%20special%20hunt.pdf

WA has now "officially" had wolves for 16 years with no management to speak of.

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Re: Ferry Co. Rancher shoots wolf.
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2017, 08:57:28 PM »
Reproduction rate will soon surpass the vigilantism and the WDFW efforts.  Delisting inevetible! Can't wait.

Unfortunately not true

Wolf populations in Wisconsin Minnesotavand Michigan reached over 5000 and wolf have been delisted
anti groups like CNW and it members have filed lawsuits to shut down all hunting of wolves

No offense but you are very naive that hey will ever allow hunting of wolves in Washington and Oregon

Kiss your elk and deer seasons good bye

And you can thank anti hunting pro wolf groups like conservation NW

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Re: Ferry Co. Rancher shoots wolf.
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2017, 06:18:20 AM »
Reproduction rate will soon surpass the vigilantism and the WDFW efforts.  Delisting inevetible! Can't wait.


Unfortunately not true

Wolf populations in Wisconsin Minnesotavand Michigan reached over 5000 and wolf have been delisted
anti groups like CNW and it members have filed lawsuits to shut down all hunting of wolves

No offense but you are very naive that hey will ever allow hunting of wolves in Washington and Oregon

Kiss your elk and deer seasons good bye

And you can thank anti hunting pro wolf groups like conservation NW
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