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Re: No antlerless for Colockum Archers next year?
« Reply #75 on: January 24, 2018, 07:53:37 PM »
Looks like it’s back to the west side rifle hunting the peninsula
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Re: No antlerless for Colockum Archers next year?
« Reply #76 on: January 24, 2018, 08:03:18 PM »
So let me see if I got this straight.  They eliminated OTC cow hunting in the colockum.  Ok

They gave out 100 cow permits for early season archery.  Ok

They doubled the muzzy cow permits. Really?

And they increased modern firearm cow permits by 2 1/2 times.   :yike:


The archery guys normally don't harvest enough animals to keep heard numbers where the bios want them.  The other two used groups do a better job of harvesting.  So I'm told?

That was my understanding as well. Archery hunters were never to be used as a tool to control herd numbers nor did we take enough animals to affect the herds health. Now there saying there isn't enough surplus animals in the herd to sustain the same harvest for archery hunters? The wdfw had increased antler less elk permits in central washington for a number of years for modern firearm to reduce the herd size. Throw in a couple of bad winters and the elk herd isn't doing so well. Seems to me like poor management.

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Re: No antlerless for Colockum Archers next year?
« Reply #77 on: January 24, 2018, 08:15:56 PM »
So let me see if I got this straight.  They eliminated OTC cow hunting in the colockum.  Ok

They gave out 100 cow permits for early season archery.  Ok

They doubled the muzzy cow permits. Really?

And they increased modern firearm cow permits by 2 1/2 times.   :yike:


The archery guys normally don't harvest enough animals to keep heard numbers where the bios want them.  The other two used groups do a better job of harvesting.  So I'm told?

That was my understanding as well. Archery hunters were never to be used as a tool to control herd numbers nor did we take enough animals to affect the herds health. Now there saying there isn't enough surplus animals in the herd to sustain the same harvest for archery hunters? The wdfw had increased antler less elk permits in central washington for a number of years for modern firearm to reduce the herd size. Throw in a couple of bad winters and the elk herd isn't doing so well. Seems to me like poor management.

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Re: No antlerless for Colockum Archers next year?
« Reply #78 on: January 24, 2018, 09:09:42 PM »
Good. I’ve seen some of the craziest stuff happen up there the last few years during archery.
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Re: No antlerless for Colockum Archers next year?
« Reply #79 on: January 25, 2018, 05:24:34 AM »
I actually do agree with permit only cows for archery, but taking cow opportunity away from archery while at the same time increasing it for modern and muzzy.....NOT!
I was a pretty consistent true spike killer.....until they went OTC for cows up there, turned it into a zoo. IMO

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Re: No antlerless for Colockum Archers next year?
« Reply #80 on: January 25, 2018, 06:13:40 AM »
Hopefully the units down here get the same treatment. Make antler less permit only until the herd rebounds again.
And how do we control or even keep track of native harvest in the yakima area?  We can only control the non native hunting or should I say, restrict.  Archery guys/gals are taking it in the behind by taking away the cow hunt during the early season. Spike only for archery in the nile and bumping is a joke of a season, just call it camping.  And putting more rifle and muzzy permits while taking away from the archery otc is just a slap in the face. 
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Re: No antlerless for Colockum Archers next year?
« Reply #81 on: January 25, 2018, 09:06:53 AM »
Hopefully the units down here get the same treatment. Make antler less permit only until the herd rebounds again.
And how do we control or even keep track of native harvest in the yakima area?  We can only control the non native hunting or should I say, restrict.  Archery guys/gals are taking it in the behind by taking away the cow hunt during the early season. Spike only for archery in the nile and bumping is a joke of a season, just call it camping.  And putting more rifle and muzzy permits while taking away from the archery otc is just a slap in the face.

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Re: No antlerless for Colockum Archers next year?
« Reply #82 on: January 25, 2018, 09:30:34 AM »
Knew something like this would happen as soon as they started giving out 500 cow permits to rifle and muzzy. I‎t won’t take long to meet there objectives. Just poor management. I see I‎t in my job, Hire people at the top that don’t know what they are doing.

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Re: No antlerless for Colockum Archers next year?
« Reply #83 on: January 25, 2018, 10:03:31 AM »
Knew something like this would happen as soon as they started giving out 500 cow permits to rifle and muzzy. I‎t won’t take long to meet there objectives. Just poor management. I see I‎t in my job, Hire people at the top that don’t know what they are doing.
That may be the case in the Yakima units but as far as 328/329 go the herd objectives are still able to take the higher cow permits.  They just shifted the cow harvest from archers having OTC opportunity to doubling the the muzzy and modern cow tags.  That tells me they want cows harvested, just not so many of them by the archers.
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Re: No antlerless for Colockum Archers next year?
« Reply #84 on: January 25, 2018, 09:11:30 PM »
In 328 & 329 cows are open for archery in the late season.

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Re: No antlerless for Colockum Archers next year?
« Reply #85 on: January 25, 2018, 09:21:17 PM »
Isn't there 100 early archery pedicure?

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Re: No antlerless for Colockum Archers next year?
« Reply #86 on: January 26, 2018, 10:07:54 AM »
In 328 & 329 cows are open for archery in the late season.

And ever since they let the "Master" hunters massacre them, the late archery hunt is a barren waste land.
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Re: No antlerless for Colockum Archers next year?
« Reply #87 on: January 26, 2018, 10:30:59 AM »

Pretty sure they moved east.  Now they have issues with lots of elk getting killed on I90 at Vantage.  The elk weren't in such high numbers there until they got pushed out of the 3911.  I believe that was the purpose of the 3911.  They just didn't realize that pushing them out of the farmers fields was going to have an adverse affect on the interstate traffic.  More elk from that herd were killed last year along that stretch of hiway than were taken by master hunters is my guess if you do records request.
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Re: No antlerless for Colockum Archers next year?
« Reply #88 on: January 26, 2018, 10:42:11 AM »

Pretty sure they moved east.  Now they have issues with lots of elk getting killed on I90 at Vantage.  The elk weren't in such high numbers there until they got pushed out of the 3911.  I believe that was the purpose of the 3911.  They just didn't realize that pushing them out of the farmers fields was going to have an adverse affect on the interstate traffic.  More elk from that herd were killed last year along that stretch of hiway than were taken by master hunters is my guess if you do records request.

Agreed, and there is no late archery elk hunt in that unit.
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